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Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Jerry N9AVY
 

Rick:

Not trying to be a wise cracker, but I think the answer to all your questions is YES.

Propagation has a lot to do with it, but so does the antenna, power out, soil conductivity, time of day/night, etc. A vertical is not the ideal receiving antenna as they tend to pick up more noise. That's wht you hear a lot about beverage antennas in 160m discussions... and sometimes magnetic loops.  Both are receive ONLY antennas and will give you better signal to noise ratios. Beverage antennas can be around 5 ft off the ground or lower and run along a fence posts; the longer , the better and they are terminated at the far end with a 600 ohm resistor. There's a lot of info on the net about these.  I have a little box that is basically a loading coil that attaches to a wire; used it a few years back and it seemed to work.  A friend I got it from lived near some woods and would run a wire a couple hundred feet out into woods or a farm field in the Winter, but had to get it out of farm field before Spring planting.
Jerry  N9AVY


From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: [070Club] East, West, and in between on 160m

Can someone help me understand what is going on with 160m and the group?  Seems like up and down the east coast we can make contacts.  Jim - K5SP - just north of Dallas Texas isn't having much luck and neither is Barry - VA7GEM - in North Vacouver BC.  I've worked John - KE4JB in NY - 1055 miles from my QTH, but haven't seen Jim - 963 miles from me.  I can understand not seeing Barry - that is 2587 miles.

So what is it?  Differences in the number of people on the band in different areas?  Is prop different N/S and E/W on 160?  Just differences in antennas?  Radiation patterns?  Differences in Tx power?  Maybe time of day?  The band does open and close based on sunset and sunrise.  I'm stumped. 

The next time I rig the 6BTV for 160m I'm going to rotate the direction of the wire I use to top load it 90% and see if that makes a difference.  If I better understood how to use EZNEC maybe I could model the radiation pattern, but that is way beyond me.  I can do a simple dipole model, but when you get to trapped vertical with ground radials, with capacitive top loading, I'm completely over my head. 

All opinions and thought are welcome.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602



Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Rick - N7WE
 

Jim-

You may have said earlier and I missed it, but what are you using for an antenna on 160?  If it is a wire, how is it oriented?  How much power are you using?

Rick - N7WE

On 2/1/2018 08:34, Jim K5SP wrote:

And I am curious about it also. The other evening I could see 4-5 stations, with great copy on KX4WB and some copy on the others.  But the only one that I could QSO with was KX4WB, nobody else would respond. It seems that in my location, since I can see/hear some of the east coast stations, I should also be able to see Barry, but no luck there.

Can we get some midwest stations on?

Jim K5SP

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*Rick - N7WE*
*070 - #1602*


Re: Hustler 6BTV

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Hey Jim — Oh yes, wonderful takes on salmon for sure.  I had a lot of smoked salmon and they knew how to do it!!!

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:

Dan, I was stationed on Whidbey Island back in 67-69, when there was a Naval Communications Station there.� Spent about 3 months in relay center on the old seaplane base, and the rest of my time as supervisor at the transmitter site called Rocky Point.

Experienced the same thing you did, was not prepared for the strange weather they have up there.� Great salmon fishing though!

Jim, KI5SP


On 1/31/2018 8:46 PM, Dan Morris wrote:
I lived in Bremerton , WA for two years while in the military back from 72-74 going to school at Olympic College. �I was told about the weather but did not believe anyone. �Well, Got there in Aug of 72 and from about the end of Sept till sometime in DEC the sun did not shine at all and very rainy. �But people around there were used to it and when they made plans they were prepared. �Fortunately, the following year was quite a bit different except for the rain. �I did have a great time there though. �Even went up to Port Angeles �and went shrimping with a friend of ours.

Dan Morris �KZ3T





On Jan 31, 2018, at 7:14 PM, K8TOM <tsingle@...> wrote:

Dick,

Ah, visiting the Pacific NW in August.� �It's a great time to visit, as it's the least likely time for us to have significant rainfall.�

Unless I plan an outdoor adventure, that is.� A while back I did a 10 day (pedal) bike camping trip through Western WA and BC in August.� Seven days of rain, as I remember.� So, as they say, Your Mileage May Vary.

73,�
Tom�
K8TOM
815



--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Jim K5SP
 

And I am curious about it also. The other evening I could see 4-5 stations, with great copy on KX4WB and some copy on the others.  But the only one that I could QSO with was KX4WB, nobody else would respond. It seems that in my location, since I can see/hear some of the east coast stations, I should also be able to see Barry, but no luck there.

Can we get some midwest stations on?

Jim K5SP


On 2/1/2018 7:11 AM, Rick - N7WE wrote:
Can someone help me understand what is going on with 160m and the group?  Seems like up and down the east coast we can make contacts.  Jim - K5SP - just north of Dallas Texas isn't having much luck and neither is Barry - VA7GEM - in North Vacouver BC.  I've worked John - KE4JB in NY - 1055 miles from my QTH, but haven't seen Jim - 963 miles from me.  I can understand not seeing Barry - that is 2587 miles.

So what is it?  Differences in the number of people on the band in different areas?  Is prop different N/S and E/W on 160?  Just differences in antennas?  Radiation patterns?  Differences in Tx power?  Maybe time of day?  The band does open and close based on sunset and sunrise.  I'm stumped. 

The next time I rig the 6BTV for 160m I'm going to rotate the direction of the wire I use to top load it 90% and see if that makes a difference.  If I better understood how to use EZNEC maybe I could model the radiation pattern, but that is way beyond me.  I can do a simple dipole model, but when you get to trapped vertical with ground radials, with capacitive top loading, I'm completely over my head. 

All opinions and thought are welcome.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


East, West, and in between on 160m

Rick - N7WE
 

Can someone help me understand what is going on with 160m and the group?  Seems like up and down the east coast we can make contacts.  Jim - K5SP - just north of Dallas Texas isn't having much luck and neither is Barry - VA7GEM - in North Vacouver BC.  I've worked John - KE4JB in NY - 1055 miles from my QTH, but haven't seen Jim - 963 miles from me.  I can understand not seeing Barry - that is 2587 miles.

So what is it?  Differences in the number of people on the band in different areas?  Is prop different N/S and E/W on 160?  Just differences in antennas?  Radiation patterns?  Differences in Tx power?  Maybe time of day?  The band does open and close based on sunset and sunrise.  I'm stumped. 

The next time I rig the 6BTV for 160m I'm going to rotate the direction of the wire I use to top load it 90% and see if that makes a difference.  If I better understood how to use EZNEC maybe I could model the radiation pattern, but that is way beyond me.  I can do a simple dipole model, but when you get to trapped vertical with ground radials, with capacitive top loading, I'm completely over my head. 

All opinions and thought are welcome.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Hustler 6BTV

Jim K5SP
 

Dan, I was stationed on Whidbey Island back in 67-69, when there was a Naval Communications Station there.� Spent about 3 months in relay center on the old seaplane base, and the rest of my time as supervisor at the transmitter site called Rocky Point.

Experienced the same thing you did, was not prepared for the strange weather they have up there.� Great salmon fishing though!

Jim, KI5SP


On 1/31/2018 8:46 PM, Dan Morris wrote:
I lived in Bremerton , WA for two years while in the military back from 72-74 going to school at Olympic College. �I was told about the weather but did not believe anyone. �Well, Got there in Aug of 72 and from about the end of Sept till sometime in DEC the sun did not shine at all and very rainy. �But people around there were used to it and when they made plans they were prepared. �Fortunately, the following year was quite a bit different except for the rain. �I did have a great time there though. �Even went up to Port Angeles �and went shrimping with a friend of ours.

Dan Morris �KZ3T





On Jan 31, 2018, at 7:14 PM, K8TOM <tsingle@...> wrote:

Dick,

Ah, visiting the Pacific NW in August.� �It's a great time to visit, as it's the least likely time for us to have significant rainfall.�

Unless I plan an outdoor adventure, that is.� A while back I did a 10 day (pedal) bike camping trip through Western WA and BC in August.� Seven days of rain, as I remember.� So, as they say, Your Mileage May Vary.

73,�
Tom�
K8TOM
815



--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: Hustler 6BTV

Joseph Molon <ljl2002@...>
 

David,

So true.  There is always something that you can't get even if you have a 500 ft. tower and a monster beam.

Rolling Stones said it well,

"You can't always get what you want."
"But if you try sometime you find
you get what you need."
 
In my case Time is on my Side works too.
 
It's about having fun with radio.
 
Good exchanges about antennas.
 
Joe
KA1PPV  #1482

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 06:18 PM, David Rock wrote:
 
 >
On Jan 31, 2018, at 09:47, Jerry N9AVY wrote:

We all need to keep in mind that we all face different challenges in getting antennas installed; everything from hurricane resistance to stupid HOAs. Different areas of the U.S. have different propagation patterns than those on East Coast who can usually work Europe consistently while the West coast gets decent openings to Asia. It's a different game for many of us, but being smart, resourceful operators we face the challenges and make things work to our advantage as best as possible. That's what ham radio is about.
The main thing I live by is: "Enjoy the contacts you can make, rather than lament the ones you can’t.”

My setup is modest, but especially working digital I have been very successful making contacts. I may not be able to hit every existing station, but I know I have not hit all stations I’m capable of reaching yet, either. :-)



David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...




Re: Hustler 6BTV

Joseph Molon <ljl2002@...>
 

Barry,
 
You are lucky that you didn't get pulled over for running liquor.  A really low riding vehicle down here in the States usually means only one thing.  Trunk must be full of Moonshine.
 
Love that show!
 
Joe
KA1PPV  #1482
 
 
 

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 05:31 PM, VA7GEM-1470 via Groups.Io wrote:
 
 
I'd better go get some concrete mix or I'll be hauling it in the back of my son's Ford Focus.

Mike
WM4B

Mike

Many yrs ago I had a Mercedes diesel sedan. I was doing a small reno es needed about 10 bags of redi-mix concrete so went to get it with the car. On the way home the back end was a bit close to the ground es the local cops pulled me over. No citation issues but they told me they had just received a report of a stolen floor safe 30 minutes earlier. We both had a ood laugh.
Barry


Re: 160 Meters tonight

VA7GEM-1470 <boat.anchor@...>
 

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 05:05 pm, VA7GEM-1470 wrote:
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 04:55 pm, Jim K5SP wrote:
Have been on 160 for almost an hour, calling CQ.  Noise level is a little high here.  Do not see/hear any other signals at this time.
Will try again between 0130-0230
--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director
Same luck here Jim
Will keep on CQing for a bit
Barry
Time to call it a night.
Not a single trace caught all night.
Even band hopped on 80-60 for a bit with no contacts.
Have a good evening
Barry


Re: Hustler 6BTV

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

I lived in Bremerton , WA for two years while in the military back from 72-74 going to school at Olympic College.  I was told about the weather but did not believe anyone.  Well, Got there in Aug of 72 and from about the end of Sept till sometime in DEC the sun did not shine at all and very rainy.  But people around there were used to it and when they made plans they were prepared.  Fortunately, the following year was quite a bit different except for the rain.  I did have a great time there though.  Even went up to Port Angeles  and went shrimping with a friend of ours.

Dan Morris  KZ3T





On Jan 31, 2018, at 7:14 PM, K8TOM <tsingle@...> wrote:

Dick,

Ah, visiting the Pacific NW in August.   It's a great time to visit, as it's the least likely time for us to have significant rainfall. 

Unless I plan an outdoor adventure, that is.  A while back I did a 10 day (pedal) bike camping trip through Western WA and BC in August.  Seven days of rain, as I remember.  So, as they say, Your Mileage May Vary.

73, 
Tom 
K8TOM
815


Re: 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

Brian (N2MLP)
 

Just post when you’re on,

Will look for you

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer - WM4B #348
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 9:26 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: [070Club] 0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

 

The XYL is going to be out of town for a few days, which means that this old ham can play!

I’d like to try for 0500 and 0600 QSOs Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights.  If anyone is around, please give a look for me.  If anything happens to take me out of the game, I’ll try to let you guys know.

73 es tnx,

Mike

WM4B

#348


0500 & 0600 QSOs for 24/7

Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
 

The XYL is going to be out of town for a few days, which means that this old ham can play!

I’d like to try for 0500 and 0600 QSOs Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights.  If anyone is around, please give a look for me.  If anything happens to take me out of the game, I’ll try to let you guys know.

73 es tnx,

Mike

WM4B

#348


Re: Hustler 6BTV

VA7GEM-1470 <boat.anchor@...>
 

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 04:14 pm, K8TOM wrote:
Dick,

Ah, visiting the Pacific NW in August.   It's a great time to visit, as it's the least likely time for us to have significant rainfall. 

Unless I plan an outdoor adventure, that is.  A while back I did a 10 day (pedal) bike camping trip through Western WA and BC in August.  Seven days of rain, as I remember.  So, as they say, Your Mileage May Vary.

73, 
Tom 
K8TOM
815
That's why we use outboard engines to mow the grass.
Now the tourists will stay away and I will have no-one to brag to about BC
or our fine neighbours in WA.
Barry


Re: 160 Meters tonight

VA7GEM-1470 <boat.anchor@...>
 

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 04:55 pm, Jim K5SP wrote:
Have been on 160 for almost an hour, calling CQ.  Noise level is a little high here.  Do not see/hear any other signals at this time.
Will try again between 0130-0230
--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director
Same luck here Jim
Will keep on CQing for a bit
Barry


Re: monitoring 1807 (160m

Richard Rohrer
 

Seeing a couple of faint traces in FL, but no real decode.

 

Dick – KC3EF

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim K5SP
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 7:28 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] monitoring 1807 (160m

 

CQing at about 1808.3
--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: Hustler 6BTV

Richard Rohrer
 

Hi Tom,

 

Spent several weeks out in Oregon working a few years ago in May/June.  Lots of snow melt so all of the waterfalls on the Columbia were really full.  Crater Lake still had 10ft of snow and it snowed on us when we went to visit, hi hi.  Not what we expected on June 1st.  Looking forward to hopefully seeing the lake without the snow.   We plan on using the Chrysler Mini-Van, to use to flatland bike riding. 

 

73

Dick – KC3EF

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of K8TOM
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 7:15 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

 

Dick,

Ah, visiting the Pacific NW in August.   It's a great time to visit, as it's the least likely time for us to have significant rainfall. 

Unless I plan an outdoor adventure, that is.  A while back I did a 10 day (pedal) bike camping trip through Western WA and BC in August.  Seven days of rain, as I remember.  So, as they say, Your Mileage May Vary.

73, 
Tom 
K8TOM
815


160 Meters tonight

Jim K5SP
 

Have been on 160 for almost an hour, calling CQ.  Noise level is a little high here.  Do not see/hear any other signals at this time.
Will try again between 0130-0230
--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: monitoring 1807 (160m

Jim K5SP
 

CQing at about 1808.3
--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: Hustler 6BTV

K8TOM
 

Dick,

Ah, visiting the Pacific NW in August.   It's a great time to visit, as it's the least likely time for us to have significant rainfall. 

Unless I plan an outdoor adventure, that is.  A while back I did a 10 day (pedal) bike camping trip through Western WA and BC in August.  Seven days of rain, as I remember.  So, as they say, Your Mileage May Vary.

73, 
Tom 
K8TOM
815


Re: Hustler 6BTV

Brian (N2MLP)
 

Do you mean I don’t have to cut my coax to a ¼ wave

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 7:08 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

 

It was meant in somewhat of a jest in that verticals have no forward gain and side rejection.  Beams are the optimal choice when you have the room & height. The more elements the higher the gain...mine has about 12 db forward gain, but it should be nearer to 50 or 70 ft.

 

In the end we're all stuck with the antenna we already have. The vertical is a good general purpose antenna which sends signal in all directions unless pattern is skewed.  Beams are good, but better if a monoband at right height. Dipoles are okay , but better on lower bands and are easy to put up.

Not CB wise tales like cutting your coax to a certain length (which is an indication that SWR bridge is a piece of CB garbage).

 

 

 


From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

 

So untrue  (CB wise tails)

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 6:37 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

 

Okay, but early on in ham radio, I learned that "a vertical is an antenna that radiates equally poor in all directions" 

 

 

Jerry  n9avy

 


From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

 

Have both the zero 5 and the GAP Titan

BOTH ARE GREAT ANTENNA

 

 

NEVER GOT THE Gap to tune correct on 15M

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Morris
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 5:19 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

 

Never had the 6BTV but was going to get the Gap Titan (I think it was the Titan) but eventually decided on the Zero Five since it does not have any traps to mess with or foul up on me.

 

I have the Zero Five 27’ vertical and my SWR is:

80        1.0

40        1.0

30        1.0

20        1.0

17        1.3

15        1.3

12        1.2

10        1.0

 

I have 40 radials and length of all is 27’ — It was sooooo easy to set up and once I got the hole dug took me a whopping 30 minutes to put together and install in the ground.  Then it took 2 days to do the radials. I have a radial plate and a tilt mast in case of heavy winds but have never had to lower it , YET!!!


Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065

 

I live to live for Him!

 

 

 

 

On Jan 31, 2018, at 5:02 PM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:

 

Well Dick, I'm certainly jealous behind all that antenna farm!  Oh how I wish!

One thought - when you move the traps are you going for lowest SWR or X=0 (or as low as you can get it)?  I read somewhere that you should get rid of reactance (X)  to get resonance and let the SWR fall where it may.  Not sure what that means, but the X component is what I tried to get rid of and the SWR fell in line.  Don't know that that is right, but that is what I did.

I do notice from your readings that the lower bands have a fair amount of reactance (X value).  Reactance can be either capacitive or inductive.  There is a trick (I can't remember) that you can do with the MFJ 259b to determine which the X is.  Something about tuning up or down and watching which way the X goes.  Once you know, then you can figure out how to get rid of it.  At that point it would be back to the ARRL Antenna book for me!

Maybe someone else can jump in here and give us both some insight.

Rick

 


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Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602

 

 

 

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