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Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Jim K5SP
 

Using an end-fed wire. Oriented kind of NW-SE. And running about 50 watts.  Crank it up to 80 watts at times on this band, but any higher start getting ALC.  SWR is about 1.4 on the wire.

My contact the other evening was with KX4WB who is in TN, so think I am getting out East.

Have a Gap Titan DX vertical, but it doesn't want to load on 160, even using an external tuner instead of the rigs internal tuner.

On the top band, I am starting to feel like Barry does on all bands.  hihi

Jim K5SP

On 2/1/2018 8:10 AM, Rick - N7WE wrote:
Jim-

You may have said earlier and I missed it, but what are you using for an antenna on 160?  If it is a wire, how is it oriented?  How much power are you using?

Rick - N7WE


On 2/1/2018 08:34, Jim K5SP wrote:

And I am curious about it also. The other evening I could see 4-5 stations, with great copy on KX4WB and some copy on the others.  But the only one that I could QSO with was KX4WB, nobody else would respond. It seems that in my location, since I can see/hear some of the east coast stations, I should also be able to see Barry, but no luck there.

Can we get some midwest stations on?

Jim K5SP


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Member Services Director


Re: Hustler 6BTV

K8TOM
 

Dan,

I have heard (and personally observed) what we consider to be a bit of a defense against excessive in-migration, particularly from California and south.

Folks who move to Western WA from those areas often last about two winters and that's all they can take.  It's not the cold, since we don't too often get freezing temps; it's the constant cloud cover (daytime light level) and the much shorter daylight periods that seems to be the grief.  Why it did not bother me as a born and raised East Tennessean is a mystery, but it didn't.  Maybe I was young enough, at 21, when I landed here to adjust.

My younger adult son worked in Japan for a year and said that the main thing that he MISSED was the clouds and rain.  He said being back in the rain and clouds made him feel more "safe and secure", HI HI.

73,

Tom
K8TOM
815


On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 4:52 AM, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:

Dan, I was stationed on Whidbey Island back in 67-69, when there was a Naval Communications Station there.� Spent about 3 months in relay center on the old seaplane base, and the rest of my time as supervisor at the transmitter site called Rocky Point.

Experienced the same thing you did, was not prepared for the strange weather they have up there.� Great salmon fishing though!

Jim, KI5SP


On 1/31/2018 8:46 PM, Dan Morris wrote:
I lived in Bremerton , WA for two years while in the military back from 72-74 going to school at Olympic College. �I was told about the weather but did not believe anyone. �Well, Got there in Aug of 72 and from about the end of Sept till sometime in DEC the sun did not shine at all and very rainy. �But people around there were used to it and when they made plans they were prepared. �Fortunately, the following year was quite a bit different except for the rain. �I did have a great time there though. �Even went up to Port Angeles �and went shrimping with a friend of ours.

Dan Morris �KZ3T





On Jan 31, 2018, at 7:14 PM, K8TOM <tsingle@...> wrote:

Dick,

Ah, visiting the Pacific NW in August.� �It's a great time to visit, as it's the least likely time for us to have significant rainfall.�

Unless I plan an outdoor adventure, that is.� A while back I did a 10 day (pedal) bike camping trip through Western WA and BC in August.� Seven days of rain, as I remember.� So, as they say, Your Mileage May Vary.

73,�
Tom�
K8TOM
815



--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director



Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Randy True
 

I'm using a simple 160M dipole at about 25" an I have had good luck on 160. But again, most contacts have been East coast lataly.


Randy W4RTT




From: 070Club@groups.io <070Club@groups.io> on behalf of Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:39 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] East, West, and in between on 160m
 
Think it might be a combination of all those factors plus a bit of "luck".

Had a bit of luck with my 160m Alpha-Delta DX-A homebrew dual sloper on 160 and managed to work a station in Iowa running 5 watts in July one year, but then I replaced it with a "real"  DX-A  and things were never the same' in that I couldn't load up on 160m . With temp currently at 16 F  it now looks like a Spring/Summer project.

I'd suggest y'all keep trying 160 because I suspect some days on that band are hotter than others.

Jerry n9avy




From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] East, West, and in between on 160m

Jerry-
No worry Jerry, I think you qualify as "wise," but you've got to be from a long line of native born in Florida to be a "cracker" - hi hi.  Google "florida cracker."
If I'm understanding right, Jim can hear but can't be heard.  Barry can't hear.  The beverage would certainly help with hearing, but how do you deal with not being heard?  When I was using the inverted L, I could hear a bunch but no one could hear me.  The top loaded vertical solved the problem.  So was that a difference in radiation pattern, just antenna efficiency, or what?  Sure would like to help Jim, Barry and others get some 160 contacts before the season ends.
Rick - N7WE

On 2/1/2018 09:29, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Rick:

Not trying to be a wise cracker, but I think the answer to all your questions is YES.




--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602



Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Matthew King - AK4MK <kk4cps@...>
 

Rick - that's a bit of surprising news with your inverted L, as verticals dominate on top band from what I hear. For transmitting I mean... the beverages and other "different" antennas are supposed to be the key to hearing well on 160. I can't do a beverage as I don't have several hundred feet to run wires off the ground, so an active antenna or mag-loop will probably be my receiving solution when I put up my inverted L later this year (hopefully!)

What configuration was it?  

How high did it go before the wire turned horizontal?

How many radials did you have?

I understand that the radial field under an inverted L is more important than on a trapped vertical, and I can tell you from personal experience that it is VERY important on a trapped vertical!

Inquiring minds wanna know....

73

Matt
AK4MK

Virus-free. www.avast.com

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:

Jerry-

No worry Jerry, I think you qualify as "wise," but you've got to be from a long line of native born in Florida to be a "cracker" - hi hi.  Google "florida cracker."

If I'm understanding right, Jim can hear but can't be heard.  Barry can't hear.  The beverage would certainly help with hearing, but how do you deal with not being heard?  When I was using the inverted L, I could hear a bunch but no one could hear me.  The top loaded vertical solved the problem.  So was that a difference in radiation pattern, just antenna efficiency, or what?  Sure would like to help Jim, Barry and others get some 160 contacts before the season ends.

Rick - N7WE


On 2/1/2018 09:29, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Rick:

Not trying to be a wise cracker, but I think the answer to all your questions is YES.




--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602



Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Richard Rohrer
 

Like Rick, I find the propagation better N/S than E/W. Worked N2MLP in PA last night. Saw a couple of faint traces, but could not get any decode from them. Only heard a couple of CW signals and no SSB last night.

73
Dick - KC3EF

-----Original Message-----
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of B C
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:59 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] East, West, and in between on 160m

I would like to hear how you are top loading that vertical for 160M...I am using a Cushcraft AP8A..and can almost get it to tune on 160..well, get the swr down to 2:1 anyway..but who knows what the R and X are..It could be a worm warmer on that band.
Brian K9WIS

---- Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:
Can someone help me understand what is going on with 160m and the group? Seems like up and down the east coast we can make contacts. Jim - K5SP - just north of Dallas Texas isn't having much luck and neither is Barry - VA7GEM - in North Vacouver BC. I've worked John - KE4JB in NY - 1055 miles from my QTH, but haven't seen Jim - 963 miles from me. I can understand not seeing Barry - that is 2587 miles.

So what is it? Differences in the number of people on the band in
different areas? Is prop different N/S and E/W on 160? Just differences in antennas? Radiation patterns? Differences in Tx power? Maybe time of day? The band does open and close based on sunset and sunrise. I'm stumped.

The next time I rig the 6BTV for 160m I'm going to rotate the
direction of the wire I use to top load it 90% and see if that makes a difference. If I better understood how to use EZNEC maybe I could model the radiation pattern, but that is way beyond me. I can do a simple dipole model, but when you get to trapped vertical with ground radials, with capacitive top loading, I'm completely over my head.

All opinions and thought are welcome.
--
*Rick - N7WE*
*070 - #1602*


Limited space antenna for 160m

Jerry N9AVY
 

And this on antennas on small lots..

audiosystemsgroup.com/160MPacificon.pdf


A bit more on 160m

Jerry N9AVY
 


160m propagation chart

Jerry N9AVY
 


Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

B C <k9wis@...>
 

I would like to hear how you are top loading that vertical for 160M...I am using a Cushcraft AP8A..and can almost get it to tune on 160..well, get the swr down to 2:1 anyway..but who knows what the R and X are..It could be a worm warmer on that band.
Brian K9WIS

---- Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:

Can someone help me understand what is going on with 160m and the group?  Seems like up and down the east coast we can make contacts.  Jim - K5SP - just north of Dallas Texas isn't having much luck and neither is Barry - VA7GEM - in North Vacouver BC.  I've worked John - KE4JB in NY - 1055 miles from my QTH, but haven't seen Jim - 963 miles from me.  I can understand not seeing Barry - that is 2587 miles.

So what is it?  Differences in the number of people on the band in different areas?  Is prop different N/S and E/W on 160?  Just differences in antennas?  Radiation patterns?  Differences in Tx power?  Maybe time of day?  The band does open and close based on sunset and sunrise.  I'm stumped. 

The next time I rig the 6BTV for 160m I'm going to rotate the direction of the wire I use to top load it 90% and see if that makes a difference.  If I better understood how to use EZNEC maybe I could model the radiation pattern, but that is way beyond me.  I can do a simple dipole model, but when you get to trapped vertical with ground radials, with capacitive top loading, I'm completely over my head. 

All opinions and thought are welcome.
--
*Rick - N7WE*
*070 - #1602*


Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Brian (N2MLP)
 

HAVE TO AGREE

Its hit or miss

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:40 AM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] East, West, and in between on 160m

 

Think it might be a combination of all those factors plus a bit of "luck".

 

Had a bit of luck with my 160m Alpha-Delta DX-A homebrew dual sloper on 160 and managed to work a station in Iowa running 5 watts in July one year, but then I replaced it with a "real"  DX-A  and things were never the same' in that I couldn't load up on 160m . With temp currently at 16 F  it now looks like a Spring/Summer project.

 

I'd suggest y'all keep trying 160 because I suspect some days on that band are hotter than others.

 

Jerry n9avy

 

 


From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] East, West, and in between on 160m

 

Jerry-

No worry Jerry, I think you qualify as "wise," but you've got to be from a long line of native born in Florida to be a "cracker" - hi hi.  Google "florida cracker."

If I'm understanding right, Jim can hear but can't be heard.  Barry can't hear.  The beverage would certainly help with hearing, but how do you deal with not being heard?  When I was using the inverted L, I could hear a bunch but no one could hear me.  The top loaded vertical solved the problem.  So was that a difference in radiation pattern, just antenna efficiency, or what?  Sure would like to help Jim, Barry and others get some 160 contacts before the season ends.

Rick - N7WE

 

On 2/1/2018 09:29, Jerry N9AVY wrote:

Rick:

 

Not trying to be a wise cracker, but I think the answer to all your questions is YES.

 

 

 


--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602

 


Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Jerry N9AVY
 

Think it might be a combination of all those factors plus a bit of "luck".

Had a bit of luck with my 160m Alpha-Delta DX-A homebrew dual sloper on 160 and managed to work a station in Iowa running 5 watts in July one year, but then I replaced it with a "real"  DX-A  and things were never the same' in that I couldn't load up on 160m . With temp currently at 16 F  it now looks like a Spring/Summer project.

I'd suggest y'all keep trying 160 because I suspect some days on that band are hotter than others.

Jerry n9avy




From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] East, West, and in between on 160m

Jerry-
No worry Jerry, I think you qualify as "wise," but you've got to be from a long line of native born in Florida to be a "cracker" - hi hi.  Google "florida cracker."
If I'm understanding right, Jim can hear but can't be heard.  Barry can't hear.  The beverage would certainly help with hearing, but how do you deal with not being heard?  When I was using the inverted L, I could hear a bunch but no one could hear me.  The top loaded vertical solved the problem.  So was that a difference in radiation pattern, just antenna efficiency, or what?  Sure would like to help Jim, Barry and others get some 160 contacts before the season ends.
Rick - N7WE

On 2/1/2018 09:29, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Rick:

Not trying to be a wise cracker, but I think the answer to all your questions is YES.




--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602



Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Rick - N7WE
 

Jerry-

No worry Jerry, I think you qualify as "wise," but you've got to be from a long line of native born in Florida to be a "cracker" - hi hi.  Google "florida cracker."

If I'm understanding right, Jim can hear but can't be heard.  Barry can't hear.  The beverage would certainly help with hearing, but how do you deal with not being heard?  When I was using the inverted L, I could hear a bunch but no one could hear me.  The top loaded vertical solved the problem.  So was that a difference in radiation pattern, just antenna efficiency, or what?  Sure would like to help Jim, Barry and others get some 160 contacts before the season ends.

Rick - N7WE


On 2/1/2018 09:29, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Rick:

Not trying to be a wise cracker, but I think the answer to all your questions is YES.




--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Jerry N9AVY
 

Rick:

Not trying to be a wise cracker, but I think the answer to all your questions is YES.

Propagation has a lot to do with it, but so does the antenna, power out, soil conductivity, time of day/night, etc. A vertical is not the ideal receiving antenna as they tend to pick up more noise. That's wht you hear a lot about beverage antennas in 160m discussions... and sometimes magnetic loops.  Both are receive ONLY antennas and will give you better signal to noise ratios. Beverage antennas can be around 5 ft off the ground or lower and run along a fence posts; the longer , the better and they are terminated at the far end with a 600 ohm resistor. There's a lot of info on the net about these.  I have a little box that is basically a loading coil that attaches to a wire; used it a few years back and it seemed to work.  A friend I got it from lived near some woods and would run a wire a couple hundred feet out into woods or a farm field in the Winter, but had to get it out of farm field before Spring planting.
Jerry  N9AVY


From: Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: [070Club] East, West, and in between on 160m

Can someone help me understand what is going on with 160m and the group?  Seems like up and down the east coast we can make contacts.  Jim - K5SP - just north of Dallas Texas isn't having much luck and neither is Barry - VA7GEM - in North Vacouver BC.  I've worked John - KE4JB in NY - 1055 miles from my QTH, but haven't seen Jim - 963 miles from me.  I can understand not seeing Barry - that is 2587 miles.

So what is it?  Differences in the number of people on the band in different areas?  Is prop different N/S and E/W on 160?  Just differences in antennas?  Radiation patterns?  Differences in Tx power?  Maybe time of day?  The band does open and close based on sunset and sunrise.  I'm stumped. 

The next time I rig the 6BTV for 160m I'm going to rotate the direction of the wire I use to top load it 90% and see if that makes a difference.  If I better understood how to use EZNEC maybe I could model the radiation pattern, but that is way beyond me.  I can do a simple dipole model, but when you get to trapped vertical with ground radials, with capacitive top loading, I'm completely over my head. 

All opinions and thought are welcome.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602



Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Rick - N7WE
 

Jim-

You may have said earlier and I missed it, but what are you using for an antenna on 160?  If it is a wire, how is it oriented?  How much power are you using?

Rick - N7WE

On 2/1/2018 08:34, Jim K5SP wrote:

And I am curious about it also. The other evening I could see 4-5 stations, with great copy on KX4WB and some copy on the others.  But the only one that I could QSO with was KX4WB, nobody else would respond. It seems that in my location, since I can see/hear some of the east coast stations, I should also be able to see Barry, but no luck there.

Can we get some midwest stations on?

Jim K5SP

--
*Rick - N7WE*
*070 - #1602*


Re: Hustler 6BTV

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Hey Jim — Oh yes, wonderful takes on salmon for sure.  I had a lot of smoked salmon and they knew how to do it!!!

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Jim K5SP <jinnis@...> wrote:

Dan, I was stationed on Whidbey Island back in 67-69, when there was a Naval Communications Station there.� Spent about 3 months in relay center on the old seaplane base, and the rest of my time as supervisor at the transmitter site called Rocky Point.

Experienced the same thing you did, was not prepared for the strange weather they have up there.� Great salmon fishing though!

Jim, KI5SP


On 1/31/2018 8:46 PM, Dan Morris wrote:
I lived in Bremerton , WA for two years while in the military back from 72-74 going to school at Olympic College. �I was told about the weather but did not believe anyone. �Well, Got there in Aug of 72 and from about the end of Sept till sometime in DEC the sun did not shine at all and very rainy. �But people around there were used to it and when they made plans they were prepared. �Fortunately, the following year was quite a bit different except for the rain. �I did have a great time there though. �Even went up to Port Angeles �and went shrimping with a friend of ours.

Dan Morris �KZ3T





On Jan 31, 2018, at 7:14 PM, K8TOM <tsingle@...> wrote:

Dick,

Ah, visiting the Pacific NW in August.� �It's a great time to visit, as it's the least likely time for us to have significant rainfall.�

Unless I plan an outdoor adventure, that is.� A while back I did a 10 day (pedal) bike camping trip through Western WA and BC in August.� Seven days of rain, as I remember.� So, as they say, Your Mileage May Vary.

73,�
Tom�
K8TOM
815



--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: East, West, and in between on 160m

Jim K5SP
 

And I am curious about it also. The other evening I could see 4-5 stations, with great copy on KX4WB and some copy on the others.  But the only one that I could QSO with was KX4WB, nobody else would respond. It seems that in my location, since I can see/hear some of the east coast stations, I should also be able to see Barry, but no luck there.

Can we get some midwest stations on?

Jim K5SP


On 2/1/2018 7:11 AM, Rick - N7WE wrote:
Can someone help me understand what is going on with 160m and the group?  Seems like up and down the east coast we can make contacts.  Jim - K5SP - just north of Dallas Texas isn't having much luck and neither is Barry - VA7GEM - in North Vacouver BC.  I've worked John - KE4JB in NY - 1055 miles from my QTH, but haven't seen Jim - 963 miles from me.  I can understand not seeing Barry - that is 2587 miles.

So what is it?  Differences in the number of people on the band in different areas?  Is prop different N/S and E/W on 160?  Just differences in antennas?  Radiation patterns?  Differences in Tx power?  Maybe time of day?  The band does open and close based on sunset and sunrise.  I'm stumped. 

The next time I rig the 6BTV for 160m I'm going to rotate the direction of the wire I use to top load it 90% and see if that makes a difference.  If I better understood how to use EZNEC maybe I could model the radiation pattern, but that is way beyond me.  I can do a simple dipole model, but when you get to trapped vertical with ground radials, with capacitive top loading, I'm completely over my head. 

All opinions and thought are welcome.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


East, West, and in between on 160m

Rick - N7WE
 

Can someone help me understand what is going on with 160m and the group?  Seems like up and down the east coast we can make contacts.  Jim - K5SP - just north of Dallas Texas isn't having much luck and neither is Barry - VA7GEM - in North Vacouver BC.  I've worked John - KE4JB in NY - 1055 miles from my QTH, but haven't seen Jim - 963 miles from me.  I can understand not seeing Barry - that is 2587 miles.

So what is it?  Differences in the number of people on the band in different areas?  Is prop different N/S and E/W on 160?  Just differences in antennas?  Radiation patterns?  Differences in Tx power?  Maybe time of day?  The band does open and close based on sunset and sunrise.  I'm stumped. 

The next time I rig the 6BTV for 160m I'm going to rotate the direction of the wire I use to top load it 90% and see if that makes a difference.  If I better understood how to use EZNEC maybe I could model the radiation pattern, but that is way beyond me.  I can do a simple dipole model, but when you get to trapped vertical with ground radials, with capacitive top loading, I'm completely over my head. 

All opinions and thought are welcome.
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Hustler 6BTV

Jim K5SP
 

Dan, I was stationed on Whidbey Island back in 67-69, when there was a Naval Communications Station there.� Spent about 3 months in relay center on the old seaplane base, and the rest of my time as supervisor at the transmitter site called Rocky Point.

Experienced the same thing you did, was not prepared for the strange weather they have up there.� Great salmon fishing though!

Jim, KI5SP


On 1/31/2018 8:46 PM, Dan Morris wrote:
I lived in Bremerton , WA for two years while in the military back from 72-74 going to school at Olympic College. �I was told about the weather but did not believe anyone. �Well, Got there in Aug of 72 and from about the end of Sept till sometime in DEC the sun did not shine at all and very rainy. �But people around there were used to it and when they made plans they were prepared. �Fortunately, the following year was quite a bit different except for the rain. �I did have a great time there though. �Even went up to Port Angeles �and went shrimping with a friend of ours.

Dan Morris �KZ3T





On Jan 31, 2018, at 7:14 PM, K8TOM <tsingle@...> wrote:

Dick,

Ah, visiting the Pacific NW in August.� �It's a great time to visit, as it's the least likely time for us to have significant rainfall.�

Unless I plan an outdoor adventure, that is.� A while back I did a 10 day (pedal) bike camping trip through Western WA and BC in August.� Seven days of rain, as I remember.� So, as they say, Your Mileage May Vary.

73,�
Tom�
K8TOM
815



--
Jim,  K5SP #483
Member Services Director


Re: Hustler 6BTV

Joseph Molon <ljl2002@...>
 

David,

So true.  There is always something that you can't get even if you have a 500 ft. tower and a monster beam.

Rolling Stones said it well,

"You can't always get what you want."
"But if you try sometime you find
you get what you need."
 
In my case Time is on my Side works too.
 
It's about having fun with radio.
 
Good exchanges about antennas.
 
Joe
KA1PPV  #1482

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 06:18 PM, David Rock wrote:
 
 >
On Jan 31, 2018, at 09:47, Jerry N9AVY wrote:

We all need to keep in mind that we all face different challenges in getting antennas installed; everything from hurricane resistance to stupid HOAs. Different areas of the U.S. have different propagation patterns than those on East Coast who can usually work Europe consistently while the West coast gets decent openings to Asia. It's a different game for many of us, but being smart, resourceful operators we face the challenges and make things work to our advantage as best as possible. That's what ham radio is about.
The main thing I live by is: "Enjoy the contacts you can make, rather than lament the ones you can’t.”

My setup is modest, but especially working digital I have been very successful making contacts. I may not be able to hit every existing station, but I know I have not hit all stations I’m capable of reaching yet, either. :-)



David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...




Re: Hustler 6BTV

Joseph Molon <ljl2002@...>
 

Barry,
 
You are lucky that you didn't get pulled over for running liquor.  A really low riding vehicle down here in the States usually means only one thing.  Trunk must be full of Moonshine.
 
Love that show!
 
Joe
KA1PPV  #1482
 
 
 

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 05:31 PM, VA7GEM-1470 via Groups.Io wrote:
 
 
I'd better go get some concrete mix or I'll be hauling it in the back of my son's Ford Focus.

Mike
WM4B

Mike

Many yrs ago I had a Mercedes diesel sedan. I was doing a small reno es needed about 10 bags of redi-mix concrete so went to get it with the car. On the way home the back end was a bit close to the ground es the local cops pulled me over. No citation issues but they told me they had just received a report of a stolen floor safe 30 minutes earlier. We both had a ood laugh.
Barry

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