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Re: Hustler 6BTV

Rick - N7WE
 

Well Dick, I'm certainly jealous behind all that antenna farm!  Oh how I wish!

One thought - when you move the traps are you going for lowest SWR or X=0 (or as low as you can get it)?  I read somewhere that you should get rid of reactance (X)  to get resonance and let the SWR fall where it may.  Not sure what that means, but the X component is what I tried to get rid of and the SWR fell in line.  Don't know that that is right, but that is what I did.

I do notice from your readings that the lower bands have a fair amount of reactance (X value).  Reactance can be either capacitive or inductive.  There is a trick (I can't remember) that you can do with the MFJ 259b to determine which the X is.  Something about tuning up or down and watching which way the X goes.  Once you know, then you can figure out how to get rid of it.  At that point it would be back to the ARRL Antenna book for me!

Maybe someone else can jump in here and give us both some insight.

Rick



--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: 20m Frog ??

Jerry N9AVY
 

Green River !



From: Dan Morris <dbmorris315@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 20m Frog ??

Jerry - You know when you drink too much it is possible to see pink elephants.  So, what were you taking that you heard frogs??? lol

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:38 PM, Joseph Molon <ljl2002@...> wrote:

Jerry,

You sure that you weren't hearing crickets?lol

Joe
KA1PPV  #1482


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:19 AM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:

It's 1615 UTC  and I just heard a frog croaking !  "Ribbet, ribbet !"   ... Looks like them thar CBers have migrated to 20m !

Jerry  n9avy





Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Hustler 6BTV

Richard Rohrer
 

Hi Rick,

 

This is the swr for my installation:

 

mHz                     R            X            SWR

3.560                   49          11          1.2

7.069                   55          17          1.4

10.035                 62          16          1.4

14.024               52          19          1.4

21.100                 49          0            1.0

28.027                 50          6            1.1

 

The bandwidth on most of the bands is fine, except for 30 and 40 mtrs.  I do have the DX engineering book and followed it when I setup the antenna.  I have tried adjusting the 30 mtr trap, but have not had much success in getting the resonant point lowered.  Reading were take with MFJ 259B at the end of the 100ft feed line.  I may play with it a little more over the next couple of weeks.  I have mine ground mounted on a homemade tilt-over mount.  Without that adjustments would be a real pain.  I have 42 radials about 25 feet long coming off a DX engineering  radial plate.  Antenna seems to work fine, but since I do use SSB on 40 I would like to get better swr at that end of the band.  Maybe I should ask you to come up and tune it for me, hi hi.

 

Unlike you, I have 1 ½ acres of wooded land, so I have a hex beam, 120ft dipole tuned with an IC AH-4 antenna tuner, and a 40 mtr Vee.  Working on putting up a full size 80 mtr dipole oriented North/South to give coverage East/West.  When we started looking for a house in FL we told the real estate agent we need to be about to park the RV on the property and no antenna restrictions.  We do have county antenna restrictions, that limit amateur radio towers to 80ft, so not much problem.  We have sold the RV two years ago, so have lots more time for radio. 

 

Also to WM4B, using bags of cement can be really fun.  By the time I got done mixing the various antenna bases, my shoulder was sore for a week.  I put a 2 bags of cement around the pole for my 6BTV, since the ground around here is sand.  

 

73

Dick – KC3EF

 

 

 

From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick - N7WE
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 3:06 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

 

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot.  The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet.  The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes.  Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
                     SWR         R           X
3.580            1.0           50           3
7.035             1.1          38           0
7.070             1.2          36           0
10.140           1.1          54           8
14.070           1.1          42           0
18.100           1.0          52           3
21.070           1.1          46           6
24.920           1.1          72           0
28.120           1.0          64           0
I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions.  If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format.  Good luck and I hope that helps.   Let me know!
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: 20m Frog ??

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Jerry - You know when you drink too much it is possible to see pink elephants.  So, what were you taking that you heard frogs??? lol

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:38 PM, Joseph Molon <ljl2002@...> wrote:

Jerry,

You sure that you weren't hearing crickets?lol

Joe
KA1PPV  #1482


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:19 AM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:

It's 1615 UTC  and I just heard a frog croaking !  "Ribbet, ribbet !"   ... Looks like them thar CBers have migrated to 20m !

Jerry  n9avy



Re: 20m Frog ??

Joseph Molon <ljl2002@...>
 

Jerry,

You sure that you weren't hearing crickets?lol

Joe
KA1PPV  #1482


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:19 AM, Jerry N9AVY wrote:

It's 1615 UTC  and I just heard a frog croaking !  "Ribbet, ribbet !"   ... Looks like them thar CBers have migrated to 20m !

Jerry  n9avy


20m Frog ??

Jerry N9AVY
 

It's 1615 UTC  and I just heard a frog croaking !  "Ribbet, ribbet !"   ... Looks like them thar CBers have migrated to 20m !

Jerry  n9avy


Re: We'd Like to Get to Know You!

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Duh, okay, I was figuring it was on the P070 home page and not on the groups.io page.  I’m not sure how many people would know that unless they were told as there is nothing on the web page to tell us.  I think I got it now though.  thanks Rick

Dan Morris

I live to live for Him!




On Jan 31, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:

Dan-
It is on the 070 groups.io home page.  Here's a link Click Here.  You may have to sign in if you aren't already.  Then on the left hand side of the page is a column with 12 entries - "Home" to "Wiki".  Select Directory and it should bring up those pages.

--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Hustler 6BTV

Jerry N9AVY
 

We all need to keep in mind that we all face different challenges in getting antennas installed; everything from hurricane resistance to stupid HOAs.  Different areas of the U.S. have different propagation patterns than those on East Coast who can usually work Europe consistently while the West coast gets decent openings to Asia.  It's a different game for many of us, but being smart, resourceful operators we face the challenges and make things work to our advantage as best as possible. That's what ham radio is about.


Jerry  n9avy



From: Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

It's different down here that in the great white North.  I have to remind myself of that sometimes!

Mike
WM4B
On Jan 31, 2018 10:00 AM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
Got it ! Thanks Mike.
Jerry


From: Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

I live on the edge of a swamp and the area where the antenna will be installed is near a drainage easement which is prone to flooding and rapidly flowing water every few years when we have days of non-stop rain or hurricanes. Of course, the hurricanes are another reason. I've seen flag poles mounted in concrete blown over by hurricane winds, even with no flag atop. Plus, the antenna will be mounted in an area that resembles a funnel turned sideways, which really amplifies the wind speed.

Also, that is the manufacturers recommendation. I only intend to do it once, so I'd rather overengineer than have to do it twice. 6 inches of rain turn Georgia clay into pudding, so the counterweight at the bottom is important.

Mike
WM4B
On Jan 30, 2018 10:01 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
Mike:

Why 80 lbs of concrete for a vertical ??? Seems like overkill unless the ground is swampy. Here I just drove a 4 ft stake into earth, which is mostly clay since contractor scraped off good top soil to sell, and mounted vertical to pipe that stuck out of ground. When I started digging hole for tower a few years back I dug down 8 inches into clay which was like concrete. and realized progress would take a year, so I found a guy with a bobcat with a 3 ft. auger... he made hole in 10 minutes. The soil here is mostly rocks & clay with a carpet of sod (from sod farm) over it.

Recall driving by this area 20 years ago and it was a huge cornfield then. In fact, this was the edge of town.

But am curious as to all that concrete for a vertical ? Just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Can you enlighten me ?

Jerry n9avy


From: Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

I'm looking forward to it!

I remember frozen ground from my Michigan days. Dad was a contactor and I learned about frozen ground from him.

I'm shocked that it's digging so easy so far... normally I hit Kaolin about 12 inches down, but not today. Hopefully I can get to 36 inches tomorrow then widen it out to 18 inches in diameter.

8 - 80lb bags a Quikrete have worn me out; move them 3 times already (once onto the cart, once into the truck and once into the garage) - which means I need to move them one more time. I can remember throwing those bags around like marshmallows when I was 18; I don't know what happened!

I think I need a beer - or 6.

Mike
WM4B

-----Original Message-----
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Molon
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Mike,
Sounds like it's going well.

If you lived in CT you wouldn't even begin to think about doing this until May.

Everything here is frozen solid.

Don't worry It will be great when finished. There will be so much DX you won't know what to do with it all.

Joe
KA1PPV #1482




On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 04:53 PM, Mike Besemer wrote:

> Nice! I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or another!
>
> Well, I just broke ground. Had to find the exact site that was not
> visible from mama’s chair in the sunroom. I think I found the right
> spot – and if not I’ll have to ask for forgiveness (again). I might
> have to remove a tree branch at the far end so I can tilt the antenna
> over, but that won’t be a problem if necessary.
>
> We had over an inch of rain Sunday, so I figured I’d better strike
> when the iron was soft. Got down about 2 feet and about a foot in
> diameter. Need to go a foot deeper and 6” bigger around, but at least
> I haven’t hit Kaolin yet. I'm going to set two 4 x 4's three feet in
> the ground (in concrete) with the mast between them tilting at about
> the 4' 6" mark. The antenna is supposed to be 25' high, so figuring
> just a bit of mast above the 4 x 4's, my 30' clear-zone should be
> okay. (I hope!) Mama is taking my truck to Florida this weekend, so
> I'd better go get some concrete mix or I'll be hauling it in the back
> of my son's Ford Focus.
>
> Mike
> WM4B
>
>
>
> From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick -
> N7WE
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV
>
> Golly Mike, I'd really like to help out, but.......I'm not certified
> to excavate!
> I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation
> engineer. No kidding! He designed and certified excavation plans for
> large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc. He was
> a character. Would tell people he "started out small and just keep
> getting in deeper and deeper. Planned to retire if he ever got out of
> the hole he was in!"
> Rick - N7WE
>
> On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote:
> Rick,
>
> If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to
> plant my Gap Titan DX.
>
> Mike
> WM4B
> On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE wrote:
> That's what I did. Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until
> have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory
> positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then
> adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and
> so on thru 80. Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with
> only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17.
> It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had
> installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we were
> traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three
> pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking. What
> I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from
> winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing
> to change the tuning. Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it
> heats up and then again when it cools off! Probably a waste, but I
> like to have things as close as I can. And it gives me something to
> do!
> Rick - N7WE
>
> On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
> Rick:
>
> Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ? Just
> curious.
> My dual sloper isn't working yet.
> Jerry
> ________________________________________
> From: Rick - N7WE To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30,
> 2018 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV
>
> Dick-
> I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length
> - due to the lot. The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about
> 28 feet. The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can
> tune without cutting any tubes. Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
> SWR R X
> 3.580 1.0 50 3
> 7.035 1.1 38 0
> 7.070 1.2 36 0
> 10.140 1.1 54 8
> 14.070 1.1 42 0
> 18.100 1.0 52 3
> 21.070 1.1 46 6
> 24.920 1.1 72 0
> 28.120 1.0 64 0
> I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of
> the Hustler's instructions. If you don't have it, you can download it
> HERE in PDF format. Good luck and I hope that helps. Let me know!
> Rick - N7WE
> 070 - #1602
>
>
> Virus-free. www.avg.com
>
> --
> Rick - N7WE
> 070 - #1602
>
> --
> Rick - N7WE
> 070 - #1602
>
>
>
>
>












Re: Hustler 6BTV

Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
 

It's different down here that in the great white North.  I have to remind myself of that sometimes!

Mike
WM4B

On Jan 31, 2018 10:00 AM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
Got it ! Thanks Mike.
Jerry


From: Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

I live on the edge of a swamp and the area where the antenna will be installed is near a drainage easement which is prone to flooding and rapidly flowing water every few years when we have days of non-stop rain or hurricanes. Of course, the hurricanes are another reason. I've seen flag poles mounted in concrete blown over by hurricane winds, even with no flag atop. Plus, the antenna will be mounted in an area that resembles a funnel turned sideways, which really amplifies the wind speed.

Also, that is the manufacturers recommendation. I only intend to do it once, so I'd rather overengineer than have to do it twice. 6 inches of rain turn Georgia clay into pudding, so the counterweight at the bottom is important.

Mike
WM4B
On Jan 30, 2018 10:01 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
Mike:

Why 80 lbs of concrete for a vertical ??? Seems like overkill unless the ground is swampy. Here I just drove a 4 ft stake into earth, which is mostly clay since contractor scraped off good top soil to sell, and mounted vertical to pipe that stuck out of ground. When I started digging hole for tower a few years back I dug down 8 inches into clay which was like concrete. and realized progress would take a year, so I found a guy with a bobcat with a 3 ft. auger... he made hole in 10 minutes. The soil here is mostly rocks & clay with a carpet of sod (from sod farm) over it.

Recall driving by this area 20 years ago and it was a huge cornfield then. In fact, this was the edge of town.

But am curious as to all that concrete for a vertical ? Just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Can you enlighten me ?

Jerry n9avy


From: Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

I'm looking forward to it!

I remember frozen ground from my Michigan days. Dad was a contactor and I learned about frozen ground from him.

I'm shocked that it's digging so easy so far... normally I hit Kaolin about 12 inches down, but not today. Hopefully I can get to 36 inches tomorrow then widen it out to 18 inches in diameter.

8 - 80lb bags a Quikrete have worn me out; move them 3 times already (once onto the cart, once into the truck and once into the garage) - which means I need to move them one more time. I can remember throwing those bags around like marshmallows when I was 18; I don't know what happened!

I think I need a beer - or 6.

Mike
WM4B

-----Original Message-----
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Molon
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Mike,
Sounds like it's going well.

If you lived in CT you wouldn't even begin to think about doing this until May.

Everything here is frozen solid.

Don't worry It will be great when finished. There will be so much DX you won't know what to do with it all.

Joe
KA1PPV #1482




On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 04:53 PM, Mike Besemer wrote:

> Nice! I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or another!
>
> Well, I just broke ground. Had to find the exact site that was not
> visible from mama’s chair in the sunroom. I think I found the right
> spot – and if not I’ll have to ask for forgiveness (again). I might
> have to remove a tree branch at the far end so I can tilt the antenna
> over, but that won’t be a problem if necessary.
>
> We had over an inch of rain Sunday, so I figured I’d better strike
> when the iron was soft. Got down about 2 feet and about a foot in
> diameter. Need to go a foot deeper and 6” bigger around, but at least
> I haven’t hit Kaolin yet. I'm going to set two 4 x 4's three feet in
> the ground (in concrete) with the mast between them tilting at about
> the 4' 6" mark. The antenna is supposed to be 25' high, so figuring
> just a bit of mast above the 4 x 4's, my 30' clear-zone should be
> okay. (I hope!) Mama is taking my truck to Florida this weekend, so
> I'd better go get some concrete mix or I'll be hauling it in the back
> of my son's Ford Focus.
>
> Mike
> WM4B
>
>
>
> From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick -
> N7WE
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV
>
> Golly Mike, I'd really like to help out, but.......I'm not certified
> to excavate!
> I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation
> engineer. No kidding! He designed and certified excavation plans for
> large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc. He was
> a character. Would tell people he "started out small and just keep
> getting in deeper and deeper. Planned to retire if he ever got out of
> the hole he was in!"
> Rick - N7WE
>
> On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote:
> Rick,
>
> If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to
> plant my Gap Titan DX.
>
> Mike
> WM4B
> On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE wrote:
> That's what I did. Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until
> have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory
> positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then
> adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and
> so on thru 80. Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with
> only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17.
> It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had
> installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we were
> traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three
> pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking. What
> I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from
> winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing
> to change the tuning. Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it
> heats up and then again when it cools off! Probably a waste, but I
> like to have things as close as I can. And it gives me something to
> do!
> Rick - N7WE
>
> On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
> Rick:
>
> Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ? Just
> curious.
> My dual sloper isn't working yet.
> Jerry
> ________________________________________
> From: Rick - N7WE To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30,
> 2018 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV
>
> Dick-
> I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length
> - due to the lot. The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about
> 28 feet. The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can
> tune without cutting any tubes. Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
> SWR R X
> 3.580 1.0 50 3
> 7.035 1.1 38 0
> 7.070 1.2 36 0
> 10.140 1.1 54 8
> 14.070 1.1 42 0
> 18.100 1.0 52 3
> 21.070 1.1 46 6
> 24.920 1.1 72 0
> 28.120 1.0 64 0
> I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of
> the Hustler's instructions. If you don't have it, you can download it
> HERE in PDF format. Good luck and I hope that helps. Let me know!
> Rick - N7WE
> 070 - #1602
>
>
> Virus-free. www.avg.com
>
> --
> Rick - N7WE
> 070 - #1602
>
> --
> Rick - N7WE
> 070 - #1602
>
>
>
>
>










Re: Hustler 6BTV

Jerry N9AVY
 

Got it !   Thanks Mike.
Jerry


From: Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

I live on the edge of a swamp and the area where the antenna will be installed is near a drainage easement which is prone to flooding and rapidly flowing water every few years when we have days of non-stop rain or hurricanes.  Of course, the hurricanes are another reason.  I've seen flag poles mounted in concrete blown over by hurricane winds, even with no flag atop.  Plus, the antenna will be mounted in an area that resembles a funnel turned sideways, which really amplifies the wind speed.

Also, that is the manufacturers recommendation.  I only intend to do it once, so I'd rather overengineer than have to do it twice.  6 inches of rain turn Georgia clay into pudding, so the counterweight at the bottom is important.

Mike
WM4B
On Jan 30, 2018 10:01 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
Mike:

Why 80 lbs of concrete for a vertical ??? Seems like overkill unless the ground is swampy. Here I just drove a 4 ft stake into earth, which is mostly clay since contractor scraped off good top soil to sell, and mounted vertical to pipe that stuck out of ground. When I started digging hole for tower a few years back I dug down 8 inches into clay which was like concrete. and realized progress would take a year, so I found a guy with a bobcat with a 3 ft. auger... he made hole in 10 minutes. The soil here is mostly rocks & clay with a carpet of sod (from sod farm) over it.

Recall driving by this area 20 years ago and it was a huge cornfield then. In fact, this was the edge of town.

But am curious as to all that concrete for a vertical ? Just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Can you enlighten me ?

Jerry n9avy


From: Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

I'm looking forward to it!

I remember frozen ground from my Michigan days. Dad was a contactor and I learned about frozen ground from him.

I'm shocked that it's digging so easy so far... normally I hit Kaolin about 12 inches down, but not today. Hopefully I can get to 36 inches tomorrow then widen it out to 18 inches in diameter.

8 - 80lb bags a Quikrete have worn me out; move them 3 times already (once onto the cart, once into the truck and once into the garage) - which means I need to move them one more time. I can remember throwing those bags around like marshmallows when I was 18; I don't know what happened!

I think I need a beer - or 6.

Mike
WM4B

-----Original Message-----
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Molon
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Mike,
Sounds like it's going well.

If you lived in CT you wouldn't even begin to think about doing this until May.

Everything here is frozen solid.

Don't worry It will be great when finished. There will be so much DX you won't know what to do with it all.

Joe
KA1PPV #1482




On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 04:53 PM, Mike Besemer wrote:

> Nice! I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or another!
>
> Well, I just broke ground. Had to find the exact site that was not
> visible from mama’s chair in the sunroom. I think I found the right
> spot – and if not I’ll have to ask for forgiveness (again). I might
> have to remove a tree branch at the far end so I can tilt the antenna
> over, but that won’t be a problem if necessary.
>
> We had over an inch of rain Sunday, so I figured I’d better strike
> when the iron was soft. Got down about 2 feet and about a foot in
> diameter. Need to go a foot deeper and 6” bigger around, but at least
> I haven’t hit Kaolin yet. I'm going to set two 4 x 4's three feet in
> the ground (in concrete) with the mast between them tilting at about
> the 4' 6" mark. The antenna is supposed to be 25' high, so figuring
> just a bit of mast above the 4 x 4's, my 30' clear-zone should be
> okay. (I hope!) Mama is taking my truck to Florida this weekend, so
> I'd better go get some concrete mix or I'll be hauling it in the back
> of my son's Ford Focus.
>
> Mike
> WM4B
>
>
>
> From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick -
> N7WE
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV
>
> Golly Mike, I'd really like to help out, but.......I'm not certified
> to excavate!
> I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation
> engineer. No kidding! He designed and certified excavation plans for
> large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc. He was
> a character. Would tell people he "started out small and just keep
> getting in deeper and deeper. Planned to retire if he ever got out of
> the hole he was in!"
> Rick - N7WE
>
> On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote:
> Rick,
>
> If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to
> plant my Gap Titan DX.
>
> Mike
> WM4B
> On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE wrote:
> That's what I did. Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until
> have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory
> positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then
> adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and
> so on thru 80. Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with
> only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17.
> It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had
> installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we were
> traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three
> pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking. What
> I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from
> winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing
> to change the tuning. Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it
> heats up and then again when it cools off! Probably a waste, but I
> like to have things as close as I can. And it gives me something to
> do!
> Rick - N7WE
>
> On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
> Rick:
>
> Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ? Just
> curious.
> My dual sloper isn't working yet.
> Jerry
> ________________________________________
> From: Rick - N7WE To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30,
> 2018 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV
>
> Dick-
> I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length
> - due to the lot. The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about
> 28 feet. The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can
> tune without cutting any tubes. Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
> SWR R X
> 3.580 1.0 50 3
> 7.035 1.1 38 0
> 7.070 1.2 36 0
> 10.140 1.1 54 8
> 14.070 1.1 42 0
> 18.100 1.0 52 3
> 21.070 1.1 46 6
> 24.920 1.1 72 0
> 28.120 1.0 64 0
> I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of
> the Hustler's instructions. If you don't have it, you can download it
> HERE in PDF format. Good luck and I hope that helps. Let me know!
> Rick - N7WE
> 070 - #1602
>
>
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Charles Odom, KI4VMK # 2542
 

Thanks for the info, I was not aware of that.

Charles, KI4VMK
# 2542

On Jan 31, 2018, at 7:38 AM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:

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Re: We'd Like to Get to Know You!

Rick - N7WE
 

Dan-
It is on the 070 groups.io home page.  Here's a link Click Here.  You may have to sign in if you aren't already.  Then on the left hand side of the page is a column with 12 entries - "Home" to "Wiki".  Select Directory and it should bring up those pages.

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Re: We'd Like to Get to Know You!

K8TOM
 

Oops.  I had some info there, but did not realize that you had to set the viewing permission for the bio page to "Members..."

Thanks for the reminder.  Hopefully I got it right this time.

Tom
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Guess I’m missing that page as I just looked and see nothing in the listing that says 070 Directory page ??

Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065

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Re: Hustler 6BTV

Joseph Molon <ljl2002@...>
 

There ya go.  Excellence through engineering!
 
When you are finished hoisting everything you could fill out your entry to the Strongest Man in the World contest.  They lift heavy things and carry them.
 
Joe
KA1PPV  #1482

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 08:50 AM, Mike Besemer wrote:
 
 > Ha!  At this point, if I hit a boulder, the antenna is going to be about a foot taller than I had anticipated. I'll just make the hole a little bigger around to compensate.

I have to admit that last night when I was loading concrete, I was seriously considering giving up the hobby and starting to collect butterflies instead.

Mike
WM4B
On Jan 31, 2018 8:07 AM, Joseph Molon wrote:

Mike, Yep it definitely gets cold in Michigan. (About a day before it does in New England)   Looks like you must have picked the perfect spot.  You shouldn't talk about it anymore until the hole is finished or you might jinx it.  You might go down another 2 inches and run into a boulder the size of your house.  If you do let me know.  I was trained in explosives when I was in the Army and I can guarantee I will make the boulder go away.  Not so sure about the safety of the house though.   GL   Joe KA1PPV  #1482      On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 08:50 PM, Mike Besemer wrote:    > I'm looking forward to it!

I remember frozen ground from my Michigan days.  Dad was a contactor and I learned about frozen ground from him. I'm shocked that it's digging so easy so far... normally I hit Kaolin about 12 inches down, but not today.  Hopefully I can get to 36 inches tomorrow then widen it out to 18 inches in diameter. 8 - 80lb bags a Quikrete have worn me out; move them 3 times already (once onto the cart, once into the truck and once into the garage) - which means I need to move them one more time.  I can remember throwing those bags around like marshmallows when I was 18; I don't know what happened!
I think I need a beer - or 6.
Mike WM4B
-----Original Message----- From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Molon Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:00 PM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV
Mike, Sounds like it's going well.   If you lived in CT you wouldn't even begin to think about doing this until May.   Everything here is frozen solid.   Don't worry It will be great when finished.  There will be so much DX you won't know what to do with it all.   Joe KA1PPV  #1482
    On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 04:53 PM, Mike Besemer wrote:
Nice!  I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or another!
Well, I just broke ground.  Had to find the exact site that was not visible from mama’s chair in the sunroom.  I think I found the right spot – and if not I’ll have to ask for forgiveness (again).  I might have to remove a tree branch at the far end so I can tilt the antenna over, but that won’t be a problem if necessary.
We had over an inch of rain Sunday, so I figured I’d better strike when the iron was soft.  Got down about 2 feet and about a foot in diameter.  Need to go a foot deeper and 6” bigger around, but at least I haven’t hit Kaolin yet.  I'm going to set two 4 x 4's three feet in the ground (in concrete) with the mast between them tilting at about the 4' 6" mark.  The antenna is supposed to be 25' high, so figuring just a bit of mast above the 4 x 4's, my 30' clear-zone should be okay.  (I hope!)  Mama is taking my truck to Florida this weekend, so I'd better go get some concrete mix or I'll be hauling it in the back of my son's Ford Focus.
Mike WM4B


From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick - N7WE Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:13 PM To: 070Club@groups.io Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV
Golly Mike, I'd really like to help out, but.......I'm not certified to excavate! I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation engineer.  No kidding!  He designed and certified excavation plans for large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc.  He was a character.  Would tell people he "started out small and just keep getting in deeper and deeper.  Planned to retire if he ever got out of the hole he was in!" Rick - N7WE
On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote: Rick,
If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX.
Mike WM4B On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE  wrote: That's what I did.  Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80.  Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17. It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up.  When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces.  Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking.  What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning.  Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off!  Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can.  And it gives me something to do! Rick - N7WE
On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote: Rick:
Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ?   Just curious. My dual sloper isn't working yet. Jerry ________________________________________ From: Rick - N7WE To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV
Dick- I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length - due to the lot.  The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about 28 feet.  The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes.  Here's the readings from the MFJ259B                       SWR         R           X 3.580            1.0           50           3 7.035             1.1          38           0 7.070             1.2          36           0 10.140           1.1          54           8 14.070           1.1          42           0 18.100           1.0          52           3 21.070           1.1          46           6 24.920           1.1          72           0 28.120           1.0          64           0 I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions.  If you don't have it, you can download it HERE in PDF format.  Good luck and I hope that helps.   Let me know! Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602

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Re: Hustler 6BTV

Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

Ha!  At this point, if I hit a boulder, the antenna is going to be about a foot taller than I had anticipated. I'll just make the hole a little bigger around to compensate.

I have to admit that last night when I was loading concrete, I was seriously considering giving up the hobby and starting to collect butterflies instead.

Mike
WM4B

On Jan 31, 2018 8:07 AM, Joseph Molon <ljl2002@optimum.net> wrote:

Mike,
Yep it definitely gets cold in Michigan. (About a day before it does
in New England)
 
Looks like you must have picked the perfect spot.  You shouldn't talk
about it anymore until the hole is finished or you might jinx it.  You
might go down another 2 inches and run into a boulder the size of your
house.  If you do let me know.  I was trained in explosives when I was
in the Army and I can guarantee I will make the boulder go away.  Not so
sure about the safety of the house though.
 
GL
 
Joe
KA1PPV  #1482
 
 
 On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 08:50 PM, Mike Besemer wrote:
 
 > I'm looking forward to it!

I remember frozen ground from my Michigan days.  Dad was a contactor
and I learned about frozen ground from him.
I'm shocked that it's digging so easy so far... normally I hit Kaolin
about 12 inches down, but not today.  Hopefully I can get to 36 inches
tomorrow then widen it out to 18 inches in diameter.
8 - 80lb bags a Quikrete have worn me out; move them 3 times already
(once onto the cart, once into the truck and once into the garage) -
which means I need to move them one more time.  I can remember
throwing those bags around like marshmallows when I was 18; I don't
know what happened!

I think I need a beer - or 6.

Mike
WM4B

-----Original Message-----
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Molon
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:00 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Mike,
Sounds like it's going well.
  If you lived in CT you wouldn't even begin to think about doing this
until May.
  Everything here is frozen solid.
  Don't worry It will be great when finished.  There will be so much DX
you won't know what to do with it all.
  Joe
KA1PPV  #1482

    On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 04:53 PM, Mike Besemer wrote:

Nice!  I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or
another!

Well, I just broke ground.  Had to find the exact site that was not
visible from mama’s chair in the sunroom.  I think I found the right
spot – and if not I’ll have to ask for forgiveness (again).  I might
have to remove a tree branch at the far end so I can tilt the antenna
over, but that won’t be a problem if necessary.

We had over an inch of rain Sunday, so I figured I’d better strike
when the iron was soft.  Got down about 2 feet and about a foot in
diameter.  Need to go a foot deeper and 6” bigger around, but at
least I haven’t hit Kaolin yet.  I'm going to set two 4 x 4's three
feet in the ground (in concrete) with the mast between them tilting
at about the 4' 6" mark.  The antenna is supposed to be 25' high, so
figuring just a bit of mast above the 4 x 4's, my 30' clear-zone
should be okay.  (I hope!)  Mama is taking my truck to Florida this
weekend, so I'd better go get some concrete mix or I'll be hauling it
in the back of my son's Ford Focus.

Mike
WM4B



From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick
- N7WE
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:13 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Golly Mike, I'd really like to help out, but.......I'm not certified
to excavate!
I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation
engineer.  No kidding!  He designed and certified excavation plans
for large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc.  He
was a character.  Would tell people he "started out small and just
keep getting in deeper and deeper.  Planned to retire if he ever got
out of the hole he was in!"
Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote:
Rick,

If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to
plant my Gap Titan DX.

Mike
WM4B
On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE  wrote:
That's what I did.  Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until
have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory
positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing.
Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all
three....and so on thru 80.  Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with
HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and
the same with 17.
It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had
installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up.  When we were
traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three
pieces.  Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking.  What
I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from
winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum
tubing to change the tuning.  Now that we are home summers, I re-tune
when it heats up and then again when it cools off!  Probably a waste,
but I like to have things as close as I can.  And it gives me
something to do!
Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Rick:

Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ?   Just
curious.
My dual sloper isn't working yet.
Jerry
________________________________________
From: Rick - N7WE To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30,
2018 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length
- due to the lot.  The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest
about
28 feet.  The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I
can tune without cutting any tubes.  Here's the readings from the
MFJ259B
                      SWR         R           X
3.580            1.0           50           3
7.035             1.1          38           0
7.070             1.2          36           0
10.140           1.1          54           8
14.070           1.1          42           0
18.100           1.0          52           3
21.070           1.1          46           6
24.920           1.1          72           0
28.120           1.0          64           0
I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of
the Hustler's instructions.  If you don't have it, you can download
it
HERE in PDF format.  Good luck and I hope that helps.   Let me know!
Rick - N7WE
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Did you know our 070 Group has a directory page?  Members can upload a picture and /or a brief bio.  So far, only 33 of our 718 group participants have a profile up.  Why not modify your profile to include some info?  We’d like to get to know you!

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Re: Hustler 6BTV

Joseph Molon <ljl2002@...>
 

Mike,
Yep it definitely gets cold in Michigan. (About a day before it does in New England)
 
Looks like you must have picked the perfect spot.  You shouldn't talk about it anymore until the hole is finished or you might jinx it.  You might go down another 2 inches and run into a boulder the size of your house.  If you do let me know.  I was trained in explosives when I was in the Army and I can guarantee I will make the boulder go away.  Not so sure about the safety of the house though.
 
GL
 
Joe
KA1PPV  #1482

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 08:50 PM, Mike Besemer wrote:
 
 > I'm looking forward to it!

I remember frozen ground from my Michigan days. Dad was a contactor and I learned about frozen ground from him.
I'm shocked that it's digging so easy so far... normally I hit Kaolin about 12 inches down, but not today. Hopefully I can get to 36 inches tomorrow then widen it out to 18 inches in diameter.
8 - 80lb bags a Quikrete have worn me out; move them 3 times already (once onto the cart, once into the truck and once into the garage) - which means I need to move them one more time. I can remember throwing those bags around like marshmallows when I was 18; I don't know what happened!

I think I need a beer - or 6.

Mike
WM4B

-----Original Message-----
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Molon
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:00 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Mike,
Sounds like it's going well.
If you lived in CT you wouldn't even begin to think about doing this until May.
Everything here is frozen solid.
Don't worry It will be great when finished. There will be so much DX you won't know what to do with it all.
Joe
KA1PPV #1482

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 04:53 PM, Mike Besemer wrote:

Nice! I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or another!

Well, I just broke ground. Had to find the exact site that was not visible from mama’s chair in the sunroom. I think I found the right spot – and if not I’ll have to ask for forgiveness (again). I might have to remove a tree branch at the far end so I can tilt the antenna over, but that won’t be a problem if necessary.

We had over an inch of rain Sunday, so I figured I’d better strike when the iron was soft. Got down about 2 feet and about a foot in diameter. Need to go a foot deeper and 6” bigger around, but at least I haven’t hit Kaolin yet. I'm going to set two 4 x 4's three feet in the ground (in concrete) with the mast between them tilting at about the 4' 6" mark. The antenna is supposed to be 25' high, so figuring just a bit of mast above the 4 x 4's, my 30' clear-zone should be okay. (I hope!) Mama is taking my truck to Florida this weekend, so I'd better go get some concrete mix or I'll be hauling it in the back of my son's Ford Focus.

Mike
WM4B



From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick - N7WE
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:13 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Golly Mike, I'd really like to help out, but.......I'm not certified to excavate!
I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation engineer. No kidding! He designed and certified excavation plans for large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc. He was a character. Would tell people he "started out small and just keep getting in deeper and deeper. Planned to retire if he ever got out of the hole he was in!"
Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote:
Rick,

If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to plant my Gap Titan DX.

Mike
WM4B
On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE wrote:
That's what I did. Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and so on thru 80. Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17.
It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we were traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking. What I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing to change the tuning. Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it heats up and then again when it cools off! Probably a waste, but I like to have things as close as I can. And it gives me something to do!
Rick - N7WE

On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
Rick:

Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ? Just curious.
My dual sloper isn't working yet.
Jerry
________________________________________
From: Rick - N7WE To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30,
2018 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Dick-
I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length
- due to the lot. The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about
28 feet. The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can tune without cutting any tubes. Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
SWR R X
3.580 1.0 50 3
7.035 1.1 38 0
7.070 1.2 36 0
10.140 1.1 54 8
14.070 1.1 42 0
18.100 1.0 52 3
21.070 1.1 46 6
24.920 1.1 72 0
28.120 1.0 64 0
I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of the Hustler's instructions. If you don't have it, you can download it
HERE in PDF format. Good luck and I hope that helps. Let me know!
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


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Re: Hustler 6BTV

Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

I live on the edge of a swamp and the area where the antenna will be installed is near a drainage easement which is prone to flooding and rapidly flowing water every few years when we have days of non-stop rain or hurricanes.  Of course, the hurricanes are another reason.  I've seen flag poles mounted in concrete blown over by hurricane winds, even with no flag atop.  Plus, the antenna will be mounted in an area that resembles a funnel turned sideways, which really amplifies the wind speed.

Also, that is the manufacturers recommendation.  I only intend to do it once, so I'd rather overengineer than have to do it twice.  6 inches of rain turn Georgia clay into pudding, so the counterweight at the bottom is important.

Mike
WM4B

On Jan 30, 2018 10:01 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
Mike:

Why 80 lbs of concrete for a vertical ??? Seems like overkill unless the ground is swampy. Here I just drove a 4 ft stake into earth, which is mostly clay since contractor scraped off good top soil to sell, and mounted vertical to pipe that stuck out of ground. When I started digging hole for tower a few years back I dug down 8 inches into clay which was like concrete. and realized progress would take a year, so I found a guy with a bobcat with a 3 ft. auger... he made hole in 10 minutes. The soil here is mostly rocks & clay with a carpet of sod (from sod farm) over it.

Recall driving by this area 20 years ago and it was a huge cornfield then. In fact, this was the edge of town.

But am curious as to all that concrete for a vertical ? Just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Can you enlighten me ?

Jerry n9avy


From: Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

I'm looking forward to it!

I remember frozen ground from my Michigan days. Dad was a contactor and I learned about frozen ground from him.

I'm shocked that it's digging so easy so far... normally I hit Kaolin about 12 inches down, but not today. Hopefully I can get to 36 inches tomorrow then widen it out to 18 inches in diameter.

8 - 80lb bags a Quikrete have worn me out; move them 3 times already (once onto the cart, once into the truck and once into the garage) - which means I need to move them one more time. I can remember throwing those bags around like marshmallows when I was 18; I don't know what happened!

I think I need a beer - or 6.

Mike
WM4B

-----Original Message-----
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Molon
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Mike,
Sounds like it's going well.

If you lived in CT you wouldn't even begin to think about doing this until May.

Everything here is frozen solid.

Don't worry It will be great when finished. There will be so much DX you won't know what to do with it all.

Joe
KA1PPV #1482




On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 04:53 PM, Mike Besemer wrote:

> Nice! I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or another!
>
> Well, I just broke ground. Had to find the exact site that was not
> visible from mama’s chair in the sunroom. I think I found the right
> spot – and if not I’ll have to ask for forgiveness (again). I might
> have to remove a tree branch at the far end so I can tilt the antenna
> over, but that won’t be a problem if necessary.
>
> We had over an inch of rain Sunday, so I figured I’d better strike
> when the iron was soft. Got down about 2 feet and about a foot in
> diameter. Need to go a foot deeper and 6” bigger around, but at least
> I haven’t hit Kaolin yet. I'm going to set two 4 x 4's three feet in
> the ground (in concrete) with the mast between them tilting at about
> the 4' 6" mark. The antenna is supposed to be 25' high, so figuring
> just a bit of mast above the 4 x 4's, my 30' clear-zone should be
> okay. (I hope!) Mama is taking my truck to Florida this weekend, so
> I'd better go get some concrete mix or I'll be hauling it in the back
> of my son's Ford Focus.
>
> Mike
> WM4B
>
>
>
> From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick -
> N7WE
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV
>
> Golly Mike, I'd really like to help out, but.......I'm not certified
> to excavate!
> I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation
> engineer. No kidding! He designed and certified excavation plans for
> large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc. He was
> a character. Would tell people he "started out small and just keep
> getting in deeper and deeper. Planned to retire if he ever got out of
> the hole he was in!"
> Rick - N7WE
>
> On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote:
> Rick,
>
> If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to
> plant my Gap Titan DX.
>
> Mike
> WM4B
> On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE wrote:
> That's what I did. Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until
> have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory
> positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing. Then
> adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and
> so on thru 80. Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with
> only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17.
> It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had
> installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up. When we were
> traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three
> pieces. Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking. What
> I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from
> winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing
> to change the tuning. Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it
> heats up and then again when it cools off! Probably a waste, but I
> like to have things as close as I can. And it gives me something to
> do!
> Rick - N7WE
>
> On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
> Rick:
>
> Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ? Just
> curious.
> My dual sloper isn't working yet.
> Jerry
> ________________________________________
> From: Rick - N7WE To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30,
> 2018 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV
>
> Dick-
> I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length
> - due to the lot. The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about
> 28 feet. The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can
> tune without cutting any tubes. Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
> SWR R X
> 3.580 1.0 50 3
> 7.035 1.1 38 0
> 7.070 1.2 36 0
> 10.140 1.1 54 8
> 14.070 1.1 42 0
> 18.100 1.0 52 3
> 21.070 1.1 46 6
> 24.920 1.1 72 0
> 28.120 1.0 64 0
> I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of
> the Hustler's instructions. If you don't have it, you can download it
> HERE in PDF format. Good luck and I hope that helps. Let me know!
> Rick - N7WE
> 070 - #1602
>
>
> Virus-free. www.avg.com
>
> --
> Rick - N7WE
> 070 - #1602
>
> --
> Rick - N7WE
> 070 - #1602
>
>
>
>
>








Re: Hustler 6BTV

Jerry N9AVY
 

Mike:

Why 80 lbs of concrete for a vertical ???   Seems like overkill unless the ground is swampy.  Here I just drove a 4 ft  stake into earth, which is mostly clay since contractor  scraped off good top soil to sell, and mounted vertical to pipe that stuck out of ground. When I started digging hole for tower a few years back I dug down 8 inches into clay which was like concrete. and realized progress would take a year, so I found a guy with a bobcat with a 3 ft. auger... he made hole in 10 minutes.  The soil here is mostly rocks & clay with a carpet of sod (from sod farm) over it. 

Recall driving by this area 20 years ago and it was a huge cornfield then.  In fact, this was the edge of town.

But am curious as to all that concrete for a vertical ?  Just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.  Can you enlighten me ?

Jerry  n9avy


From: Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

I'm looking forward to it!

I remember frozen ground from my Michigan days.  Dad was a contactor and I learned about frozen ground from him.

I'm shocked that it's digging so easy so far... normally I hit Kaolin about 12 inches down, but not today.  Hopefully I can get to 36 inches tomorrow then widen it out to 18 inches in diameter.

8 - 80lb bags a Quikrete have worn me out; move them 3 times already (once onto the cart, once into the truck and once into the garage) - which means I need to move them one more time.  I can remember throwing those bags around like marshmallows when I was 18; I don't know what happened!

I think I need a beer - or 6.

Mike
WM4B

-----Original Message-----
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Molon
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV

Mike,
Sounds like it's going well.

If you lived in CT you wouldn't even begin to think about doing this until May.

Everything here is frozen solid.

Don't worry It will be great when finished.  There will be so much DX you won't know what to do with it all.

Joe
KA1PPV  #1482




On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 04:53 PM, Mike Besemer wrote:

> Nice!  I guess I’m qualified… I’m always in the hole some way or another!
>
> Well, I just broke ground.  Had to find the exact site that was not
> visible from mama’s chair in the sunroom.  I think I found the right
> spot – and if not I’ll have to ask for forgiveness (again).  I might
> have to remove a tree branch at the far end so I can tilt the antenna
> over, but that won’t be a problem if necessary.
>
> We had over an inch of rain Sunday, so I figured I’d better strike
> when the iron was soft.  Got down about 2 feet and about a foot in
> diameter.  Need to go a foot deeper and 6” bigger around, but at least
> I haven’t hit Kaolin yet.  I'm going to set two 4 x 4's three feet in
> the ground (in concrete) with the mast between them tilting at about
> the 4' 6" mark.  The antenna is supposed to be 25' high, so figuring
> just a bit of mast above the 4 x 4's, my 30' clear-zone should be
> okay.  (I hope!)  Mama is taking my truck to Florida this weekend, so
> I'd better go get some concrete mix or I'll be hauling it in the back
> of my son's Ford Focus.
>
> Mike
> WM4B
>
>
>
> From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick -
> N7WE
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV
>
> Golly Mike, I'd really like to help out, but.......I'm not certified
> to excavate!
> I once ran into a guy who was a registered professional excavation
> engineer.  No kidding!  He designed and certified excavation plans for
> large constructions like high rise buildings, TV towers, etc.  He was
> a character.  Would tell people he "started out small and just keep
> getting in deeper and deeper.  Planned to retire if he ever got out of
> the hole he was in!"
> Rick - N7WE
>
> On 1/30/2018 16:01, Mike Besemer wrote:
> Rick,
>
> If you're really looking for something to do, I need a hole dug to
> plant my Gap Titan DX.
>
> Mike
> WM4B
> On Jan 30, 2018 3:50 PM, Rick - N7WE  wrote:
> That's what I did.  Started on 10, then 15, readjust 10 and 15 until
> have both. This did require moving the traps from the factory
> positioning on the tubes, not just changing the overall spacing.  Then
> adjusted 20 and readjusted 10, 15, and 20 until I had all three....and
> so on thru 80.  Then went back and did 12 (adjusts with HotRodz) with
> only minimal change on 10 (no adjustment needed) and the same with 17.
> It took a while, lots of ups and downs, but wasn't too bad as I had
> installed the DXEngineering tilt-base when I put it up.  When we were
> traveling summers, I took the antenna down and stored it in three
> pieces.  Reinstalling in the fall only required minor tweaking.  What
> I have noticed is that with the change in temps here in Florida from
> winter to summer, there is sufficient expansion of the aluminum tubing
> to change the tuning.  Now that we are home summers, I re-tune when it
> heats up and then again when it cools off!  Probably a waste, but I
> like to have things as close as I can.  And it gives me something to
> do!
> Rick - N7WE
>
> On 1/30/2018 15:21, Jerry N9AVY wrote:
> Rick:
>
> Did you start tuning 0n 10m and work your way up to 80/160m ?  Just
> curious.
> My dual sloper isn't working yet.
> Jerry
> ________________________________________
> From: Rick - N7WE To: 070Club@groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 30,
> 2018 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [070Club] Hustler 6BTV
>
> Dick-
> I have the Hustler ground mounted over 40 radials of differing length
> - due to the lot.  The shortest is about 15 feet and the longest about
> 28 feet.  The Hustler has DXEngineering 12m and 17m add-ons, and I can
> tune without cutting any tubes.  Here's the readings from the MFJ259B
>                      SWR        R          X
> 3.580            1.0          50          3
> 7.035            1.1          38          0
> 7.070            1.2          36          0
> 10.140          1.1          54          8
> 14.070          1.1          42          0
> 18.100          1.0          52          3
> 21.070          1.1          46          6
> 24.920          1.1          72          0
> 28.120          1.0          64          0
> I follow the DXEngineering guide - Chapter 7 - for tuning instead of
> the Hustler's instructions.  If you don't have it, you can download it
> HERE in PDF format.  Good luck and I hope that helps.  Let me know!
> Rick - N7WE
> 070 - #1602
>
>
> Virus-free. www.avg.com
>
> --
> Rick - N7WE
> 070 - #1602
>
> --
> Rick - N7WE
> 070 - #1602
>
>
>
>
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