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Runaway trransmitter

Randy True
 

Hope it's no one here. Been seeing railroad tracks at 070 + 220 for over an hour now.

Can you say, new finals.



Randy W4RTT


Re: encroachment

mwbesemer@...
 


Re: encroachment

F.R. Ashley
 

If you deliberately "park" next to it and send CQ, you are doing it intentionally  it's DQRM no matter how you spin it.   Otherwise there is no point to park beside him if you're not trying to run him off.   I agree that FT8 down around 070 is a bit low and is in the PSK operating area, but for now at least, there are hundreds if not thousands of FT8 stations on 20m and other bands and II think eventually they will move UP, and pretty much make JT65 and JT9 a thing of the past, like PSK31 did to RTTY.  But lets not stoop to DQRM'ing other hams.  Just keep operating as usual, but if the frequency is clear, and the band is crowded, there will be encroachment.   Anytime I am in a forum of digital interest, I will remind others of the PSK area and to avoid it with FT8. 

Nice callsign Mike, hi

73 Buddy WB4M

#2545


On 11/1/2017 8:49 AM, mwbesemer@... [070] wrote:
 
I've been making sure that I use ALL of our subband and not just parking right around 1000 Hz.  If I see an FT8 signal, I'll park next to it and sent my CQ.  I'm NOT intentionally interfering with the FT8 signal, but I'm close enough to remind him I'm there.

Mike
WM4B




Re: another thing.....

mwbesemer@...
 


Re: another thing.....

mwbesemer@...
 


Re: encroachment

mwbesemer@...
 


Re: encroachment

mwbesemer@...
 


Re: another thing.....

Randy True
 

Man, that's a $5 word, corollary.


Randy W4RTT




From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of David Rock david@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 11:41 AM
To: [070]
Subject: Re: [070] another thing.....
 
 

The corollary is: Just because you don’t see a signal, that doesn’t mean you won’t be stepping on someone that can see you.

It’s very possible to cause interference and not know you are doing it.


David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...

> On Nov 1, 2017, at 09:58, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
>
> "Also remember that just because you can hear or see a signal on your waterfall does not mean that the interfering station can hear or see you. "
>
> Maybe yes and maybe no... if he's working a weak signal you might very well be interfering. Rather than cause interference , it's simpler to move frequency. Best to err on side of caution.
>


Re: another thing.....

David, K9DWR
 

The corollary is: Just because you don’t see a signal, that doesn’t mean you won’t be stepping on someone that can see you.

It’s very possible to cause interference and not know you are doing it.


David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com

On Nov 1, 2017, at 09:58, Jerry n9avy@sbcglobal.net [070] <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

"Also remember that just because you can hear or see a signal on your waterfall does not mean that the interfering station can hear or see you. "

Maybe yes and maybe no... if he's working a weak signal you might very well be interfering. Rather than cause interference , it's simpler to move frequency. Best to err on side of caution.


SD on 20meters

Jim K5SP
 

Anyone needing SD, Gary KE0WM is on 20 meters right now, very strong signal into North Texas. 

I have him about +1600 on my waterfall. 

1538Z is the current time.

Jim K5SP



Re: another thing.....

Randy True
 

Sorry about that Jim, I'll turn the house a bit and try again Hi Hi


Randy W4RTT




From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of jinnis@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 11:05 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] another thing.....
 
 

Hey Randy, you are a very strong signal into North Texas right now.  Have been responding to your CQ but guess you don't hear me on my puny wire antenna.

Brightest trace in the waterfall, and it is very clean.

Jim, K5SP


Re: encroachment

Randy True
 

Ok Justin, take a pill,LOL

I didn't have the FT8 software running, so I don't know who the culprit was.


Randy W4RTT




From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Justin Mattes-KC2GIK' kc2gik@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:25 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] encroachment
 
 

AGAIN--WHY POST IT ON HERE? Why not e-mail the offending operator directly??
PLEASE ANSWER THNE QUESTOIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Justin--KC2GIK 070-751

> Trouble is, most of these people are previous PSK operators, so they
> should know better??? Ya think?
>
> Dan Morris KZ3T 070-1065
> dbmorris315@...
>
> I live to live for Him!
>
>
>
>
>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Matthew King mrk.twg@... [070]
>> <070@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Just keep operating. We're the ones that are supposed to be here per the
>> "gentleman's agreement".
>>
>> Hopefully they'll eventually figure out that we're not going away.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Matt King
>> AK4MK - 070 #1708
>> PODXS 070 Club Executive Director
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 8:31 AM, randy true w4rttrandy@...
>> [070] <070@...
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Been noticing more and more FT8 signals popping up on 070.
>>
>> Bad manners.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Randy W4RTT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Justin Mattes-KC2GIK
http://www.justinmattes.com


Re: another thing.....

Jim K5SP
 

Hey Randy, you are a very strong signal into North Texas right now.  Have been responding to your CQ but guess you don't hear me on my puny wire antenna.

Brightest trace in the waterfall, and it is very clean.

Jim, K5SP


Re: encroachment

Jerry N9AVY
 

Perhaps posting this kind of stuff here may help someone become a better operator. 
 
Jerry  N9AVY



From: "'Justin Mattes-KC2GIK' kc2gik@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [070] encroachment

 
AGAIN--WHY POST IT ON HERE? Why not e-mail the offending operator directly??
PLEASE ANSWER THNE QUESTOIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Justin--KC2GIK 070-751

> Trouble is, most of these people are previous PSK operators, so they
> should know better??? Ya think?
>
> Dan Morris KZ3T 070-1065
> dbmorris315@...
>
> I live to live for Him!
>
>
>
>
>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Matthew King mrk.twg@... [070]
>> <070@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Just keep operating. We're the ones that are supposed to be here per the
>> "gentleman's agreement".
>>
>> Hopefully they'll eventually figure out that we're not going away.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Matt King
>> AK4MK - 070 #1708
>> PODXS 070 Club Executive Director
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 8:31 AM, randy true w4rttrandy@...
>> [070] <070@...
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Been noticing more and more FT8 signals popping up on 070.
>>
>> Bad manners.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Randy W4RTT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Justin Mattes-KC2GIK
http://www.justinmattes.com




Re: another thing.....

Jerry N9AVY
 

Also depends on whether or not station at other end understands "QRL"   ... to my way of thinking it would be shorter to "QRL" than to ask "is frequency busy"  thus perhaps a shorter interruption of ongoing QSO.

 
"Also remember that just because you can hear or see a signal on your waterfall does not mean that the interfering station can hear or see you. "   
 
 Maybe yes and maybe no... if he's working a weak signal you might very well be interfering.  Rather than cause interference , it's simpler to move frequency. Best to err on side of caution.

n9avy


From: "'Ray Clements' r.clements@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [070] another thing.....

 
QRL means "is this frequency busy?". 

While it is quite appropriate for phone where the band width takes up about 2.8 KHz, it is not so useful for digital modes such as PSK31 where the bandwidth is only 31 Hz and multiple QSOs can be present in the same waterfall at the same base frequency.

Also remember that just because you can hear or see a signal on your waterfall does not mean that the "interfering" station can hear or see you. 

Ray N9RWC 



------ Original Message ------
Received: 08:15 AM CDT, 11/01/2017
From: "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...>
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Subject: Re: [070] another thing.....


 
One way to avoid that happening is to put out a  "QRL ? QRL ? "   call or simple inquiring if frequency is in use .  QRL  means same thing in a Q Signal form.  There was a day all ham were familiar with the Q code.
 
Rarely hear "QRL" or anything like it.  Operators just jump on a frequency and start calling ... LIDs.
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "mwbesemer@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: [070] another thing.....

 
CQ Field Day... CQ Field Day...

Actually, I've been guilty lately of CQing on top of someone, but it was not intentional.  The bands have been so goofy and the QSB so long and deep I've totally missed ongoing QSOs, even after watching for a minute or more. 

Last night, I was seeing strong signals CQing but could not get any answers.  I was operating Recliner-Remote from my living room so I couldn't hear the signals, but it made me wonder if the aurora was back last night.

Mike
WM4B


On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 8:52 AM, randy true w4rttrandy@... [070] wrote:

  
Another thing that p--se me off, is the guy that will! jump the frequency I have been using. Ten seconds after I end a qso.

Grrrrr





Randy W4RTT








Re: another thing.....

Ray Clements
 

QRL means "is this frequency busy?". 

While it is quite appropriate for phone where the band width takes up about 2.8 KHz, it is not so useful for digital modes such as PSK31 where the bandwidth is only 31 Hz and multiple QSOs can be present in the same waterfall at the same base frequency.

Also remember that just because you can hear or see a signal on your waterfall does not mean that the "interfering" station can hear or see you. 

Ray N9RWC 



------ Original Message ------
Received: 08:15 AM CDT, 11/01/2017
From: "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...>
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Subject: Re: [070] another thing.....


 

One way to avoid that happening is to put out a  "QRL ? QRL ? "   call or simple inquiring if frequency is in use .  QRL  means same thing in a Q Signal form.  There was a day all ham were familiar with the Q code.
 
Rarely hear "QRL" or anything like it.  Operators just jump on a frequency and start calling ... LIDs.
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "mwbesemer@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: [070] another thing.....

 
CQ Field Day... CQ Field Day...

Actually, I've been guilty lately of CQing on top of someone, but it was not intentional.  The bands have been so goofy and the QSB so long and deep I've totally missed ongoing QSOs, even after watching for a minute or more. 

Last night, I was seeing strong signals CQing but could not get any answers.  I was operating Recliner-Remote from my living room so I couldn't hear the signals, but it made me wonder if the aurora was back last night.

Mike
WM4B


On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 8:52 AM, randy true w4rttrandy@... [070] wrote:

  
Another thing that p--se me off, is the guy that will! jump the frequency I have been using. Ten seconds after I end a qso.

Grrrrr





Randy W4RTT






Re: encroachment

Justin Mattes--KC2GIK
 

AGAIN--WHY POST IT ON HERE? Why not e-mail the offending operator directly??
PLEASE ANSWER THNE QUESTOIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Justin--KC2GIK 070-751

Trouble is, most of these people are previous PSK operators, so they
should know better??? Ya think?

Dan Morris KZ3T 070-1065
dbmorris315@gmail.com

I live to live for Him!




On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Matthew King mrk.twg@gmail.com [070]
<070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Just keep operating. We're the ones that are supposed to be here per the
"gentleman's agreement".

Hopefully they'll eventually figure out that we're not going away.

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 8:31 AM, randy true w4rttrandy@outlook.com
<mailto:w4rttrandy@outlook.com> [070] <070@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


Been noticing more and more FT8 signals popping up on 070.

Bad manners.





Randy W4RTT






Justin Mattes-KC2GIK
http://www.justinmattes.com


Re: another thing.....

Jerry N9AVY
 

Jm:
 
Wen that happens I just move up/down a bit and keep calling. An honest mistake.
 
Jerry  N9AVY



From: "Jim Innis jinnis@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [070] another thing.....

 
Hope it wasnt me.  I was calling CQ last evening, and had few takers.  A couple of times I had a freq, sent my QRL? macro, got no response, called CQ, and all at once an ongoing QSO showed up in my waterfall.  The QSB was really a problem.

Jim K5SP

On 11/1/2017 8:15 AM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] wrote:
 
One way to avoid that happening is to put out a  "QRL ? QRL ? "   call or simple inquiring if frequency is in use .  QRL  means same thing in a Q Signal form.  There was a day all ham were familiar with the Q code.
 
Rarely hear "QRL" or anything like it.  Operators just jump on a frequency and start calling ... LIDs.
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "mwbesemer@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: [070] another thing.....

 
CQ Field Day... CQ Field Day...

Actually, I've been guilty lately of CQing on top of someone, but it was not intentional.  The bands have been so goofy and the QSB so long and deep I've totally missed ongoing QSOs, even after watching for a minute or more. 

Last night, I was seeing strong signals CQing but could not get any answers.  I was operating Recliner-Remote from my living room so I couldn't hear the signals, but it made me wonder if the aurora was back last night.

Mike
WM4B


On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 8:52 AM, randy true w4rttrandy@... [070] wrote:

  
Another thing that p--se me off, is the guy that will! jump the frequency I have been using. Ten seconds after I end a qso.

Grrrrr





Randy W4RTT







Re: another thing.....

Randy True
 

No Jim, it wasn't you.

It was earlier this morning. I don't think he is an LONP guy.


Randy W4RTT




From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jim Innis jinnis@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:12 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] another thing.....
 
 

Hope it wasnt me.  I was calling CQ last evening, and had few takers.  A couple of times I had a freq, sent my QRL? macro, got no response, called CQ, and all at once an ongoing QSO showed up in my waterfall.  The QSB was really a problem.

Jim K5SP

On 11/1/2017 8:15 AM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] wrote:
 
One way to avoid that happening is to put out a  "QRL ? QRL ? "   call or simple inquiring if frequency is in use .  QRL  means same thing in a Q Signal form.  There was a day all ham were familiar with the Q code.
 
Rarely hear "QRL" or anything like it.  Operators just jump on a frequency and start calling ... LIDs.
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "mwbesemer@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: [070] another thing.....

 
CQ Field Day... CQ Field Day...

Actually, I've been guilty lately of CQing on top of someone, but it was not intentional.  The bands have been so goofy and the QSB so long and deep I've totally missed ongoing QSOs, even after watching for a minute or more. 

Last night, I was seeing strong signals CQing but could not get any answers.  I was operating Recliner-Remote from my living room so I couldn't hear the signals, but it made me wonder if the aurora was back last night.

Mike
WM4B


On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 8:52 AM, randy true w4rttrandy@... [070] wrote:

  
Another thing that p--se me off, is the guy that will! jump the frequency I have been using. Ten seconds after I end a qso.

Grrrrr





Randy W4RTT





Re: another thing.....

Jim K5SP
 

Hope it wasnt me.  I was calling CQ last evening, and had few takers.  A couple of times I had a freq, sent my QRL? macro, got no response, called CQ, and all at once an ongoing QSO showed up in my waterfall.  The QSB was really a problem.

Jim K5SP

On 11/1/2017 8:15 AM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] wrote:
 
One way to avoid that happening is to put out a  "QRL ? QRL ? "   call or simple inquiring if frequency is in use .  QRL  means same thing in a Q Signal form.  There was a day all ham were familiar with the Q code.
 
Rarely hear "QRL" or anything like it.  Operators just jump on a frequency and start calling ... LIDs.
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "mwbesemer@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: [070] another thing.....

 
CQ Field Day... CQ Field Day...

Actually, I've been guilty lately of CQing on top of someone, but it was not intentional.  The bands have been so goofy and the QSB so long and deep I've totally missed ongoing QSOs, even after watching for a minute or more. 

Last night, I was seeing strong signals CQing but could not get any answers.  I was operating Recliner-Remote from my living room so I couldn't hear the signals, but it made me wonder if the aurora was back last night.

Mike
WM4B


On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 8:52 AM, randy true w4rttrandy@... [070] wrote:

  
Another thing that p--se me off, is the guy that will! jump the frequency I have been using. Ten seconds after I end a qso.

Grrrrr





Randy W4RTT




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