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Re: 17m PSK31

Ray Clements
 


As far as ARRL is concerned, PSK does not exist. Neither do most other digital modes. About the only digital modes included in their band plans are RTTY and Packet and SSTV. Beacon frequencies are also assigned.

Even our beloved 14.040 MHz PSK frequency is included as part of the RTTY sub-band. Thus,I guess those who use PSK at that frequency are infringing on the rights of RTTY users. 

http://www.arrl.org/band-plan

Thus, I guess we have no right to complain about FT8 using the same frequency.

Ray N9RWC



------ Original Message ------
Received: 12:17 PM CDT, 10/09/2017
From: "tom@... [070]" <070@...>
To: <070@...>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31


 

As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8).   The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group. 


This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters.

If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon.  It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out.   Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9.

73,

Tom KN6Q  

---In 070@..., wrote :

I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now.....

Fr Richard
WB8YXF


On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case' artcase@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


 

I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it.
Steve
WA7ETE
PNW
#872
 
 
 

From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 

 

Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.

 

Randy W4RTT

 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 

 

Not seeing you.  Can you see me?

 

Mike

WM4B

 

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 

 

I'm also there

 

Randy W4RTT

 


From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:57 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31

 

 

CQing there now.  The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.

 

Mike

WM4B

 

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:48 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 

 

I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17.

I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it"

As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.

 

Randy W4RTT

 


From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 9:29 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 

 

Probably not, but "venting" feels good.     I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join.  There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.

 

I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.

 

Jerry  n9avy

 

 


From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 

 

I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m.  But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that.  May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group  

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wsjtgroup/info

and voice our complaints there?

 

The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole.  Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use.  Time to make our voice heard!

 

Rick - N7WE

070 - #1602

 

 

 

 

 

 




Re: 17m PSK31

Steve Case <artcase@...>
 

I have been calling CQ off and on 18.097 +1500 from PNW.
Steve
WA7ETE 
#872
 
 
 


From: "kc3ef1@... [070]" <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 2:44 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: [070] Re: 17m PSK31
 
 

 

Well fellows the band is not dead if your on FT8.  Lots of activity.   I have been calling CQ also with no response, no traces seen.

 

73

Dick

KC3EF

 


Re: 17m PSK31

Peter Hiltz
 

Dick,

I'm listening with the radio set to 18.0965 MHz, which puts fldigi at 18.0980 MHz.  I've heard nothing other than one CW signal.  I can CQ again if you'd like.

I'm outside of Baltimore so we might be jumping over each other.

Pete
WV3S

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 4:36 PM, kc3ef1@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Well fellows the band is not dead if your on FT8.  Lots of activity.   I have been calling CQ also with no response, no traces seen.

 

73

Dick

KC3EF




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Re: NU4C - Paul - Completes 366!

John Bower <poppajohnbower@...>
 

Good Job Paul.
John KE4JB

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Jeff Cartnal wm9f@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Congrats,  Paul!

Jeff WM9F 1732


From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of n7we1980@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 5:47:15 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: [070] NU4C - Paul - Completes 366!
 
 

He did it!  On 10/8 NU4C - Paul - completed his 366.  He is only the 21st person of 2570+ members to do so.  Congratulations Paul.  Well done!


Paul had previously completed the 24/7 endorsement.  Therefore, he also earned the Clock and Calendar Endorsement for working every day of the year, Leap Day, and every hour block of every day of the week.  He is only the 13th person to reach this phenomenal milestone!


It wasn't easy but he did it!  Please join me in congratulating him on this fine accomplishment!


Rick Butz
N7WE - 070 #1602

PODXS 070 Public Relations Director





Re: cq'n on 18.097 at 20:25 zulu

JEFF WALSH
 

nothing seen or heard at 18.097 ...very quiet frequency area here in MS .... might work out ..
going back to mowing the lawn between the rain drops
 
JEFF WALSH
W3WMU
#1673
BUBBAWOOD
WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS
STURGIS, MS.


On Monday, October 9, 2017 3:30 PM, "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:


 
I'm calling at .097/1200


Randy W4RTT



From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of JEFF WALSH jeffwalsh1644@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 4:25 PM
To: 070 List Service 070 List Service
Subject: [070] cq'n on 18.097 at 20:25 zulu
 
 
 
JEFF WALSH
W3WMU
#1673
BUBBAWOOD
WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS
STURGIS, MS.



Re: 17m PSK31

Richard Rohrer
 

Well fellows the band is not dead if your on FT8.  Lots of activity.   I have been calling CQ also with no response, no traces seen.

 

73

Dick

KC3EF


Re: cq'n on 18.097 at 20:25 zulu

Randy True
 

I'm calling at .097/1200



Randy W4RTT




From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of JEFF WALSH jeffwalsh1644@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 4:25 PM
To: 070 List Service 070 List Service
Subject: [070] cq'n on 18.097 at 20:25 zulu
 
 

 
JEFF WALSH
W3WMU
#1673
BUBBAWOOD
WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS
STURGIS, MS.


cq'n on 18.097 at 20:25 zulu

JEFF WALSH
 

 
JEFF WALSH
W3WMU
#1673
BUBBAWOOD
WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS
STURGIS, MS.


Re: 17m PSK31

James Quinby <james.quinby@...>
 


Re: 17m PSK31

Peter Hiltz
 

I think 17 meters is dead right now.

Pete
WV3S

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Me, too... CQing  de  n9avy



From: "Peter Hiltz pmhiltz@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 
I'm seeing local qrm, and no signals.  I am calling CQ periodically.

Pete
WV3S

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 3:03 PM, randy true w4rttrandy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 
When tuned to .097 does anyone else have a blob at 1700, or just local qrn?

Randy W4RTT



From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:25 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
Sounds like an idea !
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "Peter Hiltz pmhiltz@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 
All,

Having noticed the same thing on the bands I'd like to propose we shift down in frequency, as a group, and let our shift of numbers pull a new standard.  Folks will find us and move so as to make contacts.

We can approach this two ways:

a. I've noticed that most signals are not at the bandplan frequencies, but instead up 1.5 KHz.  That is, we're setting our radios to the bandplan frequency which, at least in fldigi, puts you up 1.5 KHz.  If we all subtract 1.5KHz we would be using the actual correct frequency, that is, centered at the bandplan frequency and ranging up or down a bit.

b. We agree as a group to shift down 2 KHz.  That will have the same effect with less confusion, assuming subtracting 1.5 KHz is confusing to some.

If we get the PODs folks to move, others will follow.  We can set a new standard ourselves, which might be easier than convincing the ARRL to update their bandplan.

I'm going to sit on 18.098 MHz on my dial, which puts fldigi looking at 18.0995 MHz.  It looks clear there, and around it.

Pete
WV3S

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:16 PM, tom@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 
As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8).   The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group. 

This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters.

If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon.  It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out.   Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9.

73,

Tom KN6Q  

---In 070@..., wrote :

I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now.....

Fr Richard
WB8YXF


On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case' artcase@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


 
I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it.
Steve
WA7ETE
PNW
#872
 
 
 

From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
 
Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
 
Not seeing you.  Can you see me?
 
Mike
WM4B
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I'm also there
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:57 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
CQing there now.  The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.
 
Mike
WM4B
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:48 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17.
I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it"
As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 9:29 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
Probably not, but "venting" feels good.     I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join.  There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
 
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
 
Jerry  n9avy
 
 

From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m.  But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that.  May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group  

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/ groups/wsjtgroup/info

and voice our complaints there?
 
The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole.  Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use.  Time to make our voice heard!
 
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602

 

 
 
 
 
 



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Re: NU4C - Paul - Completes 366!

Matthew King <mrk.twg@...>
 

Outstanding job, Paul!

The 24/7, 365, 366, and Clock & Calendar awards are some of the toughest awards we offer as they require quite a commitment! What am I saying - you already know this.... the hard way! :-)

The mailing that is currently underway had a cut off of 30SEPT, so your awards will go out in the next mailing, right at the first of the year.

CONGRATULATIONS!

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director





On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 6:47 AM, n7we1980@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

He did it!  On 10/8 NU4C - Paul - completed his 366.  He is only the 21st person of 2570+ members to do so.  Congratulations Paul.  Well done!


Paul had previously completed the 24/7 endorsement.  Therefore, he also earned the Clock and Calendar Endorsement for working every day of the year, Leap Day, and every hour block of every day of the week.  He is only the 13th person to reach this phenomenal milestone!


It wasn't easy but he did it!  Please join me in congratulating him on this fine accomplishment!


Rick Butz
N7WE - 070 #1602

PODXS 070 Public Relations Director





Re: 17m PSK31

Jerry N9AVY
 

Me, too... CQing  de  n9avy

From: "Peter Hiltz pmhiltz@gmail.com [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

  I'm seeing local qrm, and no signals.  I am calling CQ periodically.
PeteWV3S
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 3:03 PM, randy true w4rttrandy@outlook.com [070] <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  When tuned to .097 does anyone else have a blob at 1700, or just local qrn?

Randy W4RTT


From: 070@yahoogroups.com <070@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@sbcglobal.net [070] <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:25 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31  Sounds like an idea ! Jerry  n9avy

From: "Peter Hiltz pmhiltz@gmail.com [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 All,
Having noticed the same thing on the bands I'd like to propose we shift down in frequency, as a group, and let our shift of numbers pull a new standard.  Folks will find us and move so as to make contacts.
We can approach this two ways:
a. I've noticed that most signals are not at the bandplan frequencies, but instead up 1.5 KHz.  That is, we're setting our radios to the bandplan frequency which, at least in fldigi, puts you up 1.5 KHz.  If we all subtract 1.5KHz we would be using the actual correct frequency, that is, centered at the bandplan frequency and ranging up or down a bit.
b. We agree as a group to shift down 2 KHz.  That will have the same effect with less confusion, assuming subtracting 1.5 KHz is confusing to some.
If we get the PODs folks to move, others will follow.  We can set a new standard ourselves, which might be easier than convincing the ARRL to update their bandplan.
I'm going to sit on 18.098 MHz on my dial, which puts fldigi looking at 18.0995 MHz.  It looks clear there, and around it.
PeteWV3S
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:16 PM, tom@kn6q.org [070] <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8).   The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group. 
This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters.

If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon.  It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out.   Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9.
73,
Tom KN6Q  

---In 070@yahoogroups.com, <rickocr2005@...> wrote :

I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now.....

Fr Richard
WB8YXF



On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case' artcase@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it.SteveWA7ETEPNW#872   From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM
To: "070@yahoogroups.com" <070@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31   Nope, just 20 FT8 signals. Randy W4RTT From:070@yahoogroups.com <070@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31   Not seeing you.  Can you see me? MikeWM4B From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31  I'm also there Randy W4RTT From:070@yahoogroups.com <070@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer'mwbesemer@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:57 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31    CQing there now.  The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at. MikeWM4B From:070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:48 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31   I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17.I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it"As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it. Randy W4RTT From:070@yahoogroups.com <070@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Jerryn9avy@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 9:29 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31    Probably not, but "venting" feels good.     I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join.  There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again. I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away. Jerry  n9avy  From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31   I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m.  But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that.  May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group  
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/ groups/wsjtgroup/info
and voice our complaints there? The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole.  Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use.  Time to make our voice heard! Rick - N7WE070 - #1602
 
     



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Re: 17m PSK31

Jerry N9AVY
 

Nope,  might be a " birdie"  in your receiver.
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@...>
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 
When tuned to .097 does anyone else have a blob at 1700, or just local qrn?

Randy W4RTT



From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:25 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
Sounds like an idea !
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "Peter Hiltz pmhiltz@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 
All,

Having noticed the same thing on the bands I'd like to propose we shift down in frequency, as a group, and let our shift of numbers pull a new standard.  Folks will find us and move so as to make contacts.

We can approach this two ways:

a. I've noticed that most signals are not at the bandplan frequencies, but instead up 1.5 KHz.  That is, we're setting our radios to the bandplan frequency which, at least in fldigi, puts you up 1.5 KHz.  If we all subtract 1.5KHz we would be using the actual correct frequency, that is, centered at the bandplan frequency and ranging up or down a bit.

b. We agree as a group to shift down 2 KHz.  That will have the same effect with less confusion, assuming subtracting 1.5 KHz is confusing to some.

If we get the PODs folks to move, others will follow.  We can set a new standard ourselves, which might be easier than convincing the ARRL to update their bandplan.

I'm going to sit on 18.098 MHz on my dial, which puts fldigi looking at 18.0995 MHz.  It looks clear there, and around it.

Pete
WV3S

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:16 PM, tom@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 
As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8).   The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group. 

This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters.

If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon.  It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out.   Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9.

73,

Tom KN6Q  

---In 070@..., wrote :

I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now.....

Fr Richard
WB8YXF


On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case' artcase@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


 
I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it.
Steve
WA7ETE
PNW
#872
 
 
 

From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
 
Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
 
Not seeing you.  Can you see me?
 
Mike
WM4B
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I'm also there
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:57 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
CQing there now.  The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.
 
Mike
WM4B
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:48 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17.
I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it"
As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 9:29 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
Probably not, but "venting" feels good.     I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join.  There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
 
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
 
Jerry  n9avy
 
 

From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m.  But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that.  May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group  

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/ groups/wsjtgroup/info

and voice our complaints there?
 
The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole.  Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use.  Time to make our voice heard!
 
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602

 

 
 
 
 
 



--
WV3S
Monitoring 146.52 MHz & the CCARC UHF Repeater





Re: NU4C - Paul - Completes 366!

Jeff Cartnal
 

Congrats,  Paul!

Jeff WM9F 1732


From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of n7we1980@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 5:47:15 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: [070] NU4C - Paul - Completes 366!
 
 

He did it!  On 10/8 NU4C - Paul - completed his 366.  He is only the 21st person of 2570+ members to do so.  Congratulations Paul.  Well done!


Paul had previously completed the 24/7 endorsement.  Therefore, he also earned the Clock and Calendar Endorsement for working every day of the year, Leap Day, and every hour block of every day of the week.  He is only the 13th person to reach this phenomenal milestone!


It wasn't easy but he did it!  Please join me in congratulating him on this fine accomplishment!


Rick Butz
N7WE - 070 #1602

PODXS 070 Public Relations Director




Re: 17m PSK31

Richard Rohrer
 

On 18.078 calling CQ from FL



73

Dick

KC3EF



From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:54 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31





I've moved to 18.097.



Pete



On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Jerry n9avy@sbcglobal.net <mailto:n9avy@sbcglobal.net> [070] <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:



Moved down to 18.098 and it's definitely quieter, buy there are still FT8 signals at very top of waterfall. A move to 18.097 might be a better choice.



Jerry N9AVY




_____


From: "Jerry n9avy@sbcglobal.net <mailto:n9avy@sbcglobal.net> [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> >
To: "070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> " <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31





Sounds like an idea !



Jerry n9avy




_____


From: "Peter Hiltz pmhiltz@gmail.com <mailto:pmhiltz@gmail.com> [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> >
To: 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31





All,



Having noticed the same thing on the bands I'd like to propose we shift down in frequency, as a group, and let our shift of numbers pull a new standard. Folks will find us and move so as to make contacts.



We can approach this two ways:



a. I've noticed that most signals are not at the bandplan frequencies, but instead up 1.5 KHz. That is, we're setting our radios to the bandplan frequency which, at least in fldigi, puts you up 1.5 KHz. If we all subtract 1.5KHz we would be using the actual correct frequency, that is, centered at the bandplan frequency and ranging up or down a bit.



b. We agree as a group to shift down 2 KHz. That will have the same effect with less confusion, assuming subtracting 1.5 KHz is confusing to some.



If we get the PODs folks to move, others will follow. We can set a new standard ourselves, which might be easier than convincing the ARRL to update their bandplan.



I'm going to sit on 18.098 MHz on my dial, which puts fldigi looking at 18.0995 MHz. It looks clear there, and around it.



Pete

WV3S



On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:16 PM, tom@kn6q.org <mailto:tom@kn6q.org> [070] <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:



As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8). The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group.



This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters.



If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon. It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out. Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9.



73,



Tom KN6Q

---In 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> , <rickocr2005@... <mailto:rickocr2005@...> > wrote :

I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now.....



Fr Richard
WB8YXF





On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case' artcase@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:







I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it.

Steve

WA7ETE

PNW

#872








_____


From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM
To: "070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> " <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> >
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31







Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.



Randy W4RTT




_____


From: 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> > on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31







Not seeing you. Can you see me?



Mike

WM4B



From: 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> ]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31





I'm also there



Randy W4RTT




_____


From: 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> > on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... <mailto:mwbesemer@...> [070] <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:57 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31





CQing there now. The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.



Mike

WM4B



From: 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:48 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31





I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17.

I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it"

As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.



Randy W4RTT




_____


From: 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> > on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... <mailto:n9avy@...> [070] <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 9:29 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31





Probably not, but "venting" feels good. I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join. There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.



I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.



Jerry n9avy






_____


From: "n7we1980@... [070] <mailto:n7we1980@...%20[070]> " <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com> >
To: 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31





I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m. But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that. May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group


<https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/ groups/wsjtgroup/info


and voice our complaints there?



The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole. Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use. Time to make our voice heard!



Rick - N7WE

070 - #1602





















--

WV3S

Monitoring 146.52 MHz & the CCARC UHF Repeater











--

WV3S

Monitoring 146.52 MHz & the CCARC UHF Repeater


Re: 17m PSK31

Peter Hiltz
 

I'm seeing local qrm, and no signals.  I am calling CQ periodically.

Pete
WV3S

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 3:03 PM, randy true w4rttrandy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

When tuned to .097 does anyone else have a blob at 1700, or just local qrn?


Randy W4RTT




From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:25 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 

Sounds like an idea !
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "Peter Hiltz pmhiltz@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 
All,

Having noticed the same thing on the bands I'd like to propose we shift down in frequency, as a group, and let our shift of numbers pull a new standard.  Folks will find us and move so as to make contacts.

We can approach this two ways:

a. I've noticed that most signals are not at the bandplan frequencies, but instead up 1.5 KHz.  That is, we're setting our radios to the bandplan frequency which, at least in fldigi, puts you up 1.5 KHz.  If we all subtract 1.5KHz we would be using the actual correct frequency, that is, centered at the bandplan frequency and ranging up or down a bit.

b. We agree as a group to shift down 2 KHz.  That will have the same effect with less confusion, assuming subtracting 1.5 KHz is confusing to some.

If we get the PODs folks to move, others will follow.  We can set a new standard ourselves, which might be easier than convincing the ARRL to update their bandplan.

I'm going to sit on 18.098 MHz on my dial, which puts fldigi looking at 18.0995 MHz.  It looks clear there, and around it.

Pete
WV3S

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:16 PM, tom@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 
As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8).   The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group. 

This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters.

If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon.  It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out.   Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9.

73,

Tom KN6Q  

---In 070@..., wrote :

I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now.....

Fr Richard
WB8YXF


On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case' artcase@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


 
I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it.
Steve
WA7ETE
PNW
#872
 
 
 

From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
 
Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
 
Not seeing you.  Can you see me?
 
Mike
WM4B
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I'm also there
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:57 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
CQing there now.  The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.
 
Mike
WM4B
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:48 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17.
I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it"
As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 9:29 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
Probably not, but "venting" feels good.     I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join.  There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
 
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
 
Jerry  n9avy
 
 

From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m.  But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that.  May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group  

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/ groups/wsjtgroup/info

and voice our complaints there?
 
The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole.  Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use.  Time to make our voice heard!
 
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602

 

 
 
 
 
 



--
WV3S
Monitoring 146.52 MHz & the CCARC UHF Repeater





--
WV3S
Monitoring 146.52 MHz & the CCARC UHF Repeater


Re: 17m PSK31

Fr Richard R
 

I seem to have QRN around there


Fr Richard



On Monday, October 9, 2017, 3:03:36 PM EDT, randy true w4rttrandy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


 

When tuned to .097 does anyone else have a blob at 1700, or just local qrn?


Randy W4RTT




From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:25 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 

Sounds like an idea !
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "Peter Hiltz pmhiltz@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 
All,

Having noticed the same thing on the bands I'd like to propose we shift down in frequency, as a group, and let our shift of numbers pull a new standard.  Folks will find us and move so as to make contacts.

We can approach this two ways:

a. I've noticed that most signals are not at the bandplan frequencies, but instead up 1.5 KHz.  That is, we're setting our radios to the bandplan frequency which, at least in fldigi, puts you up 1.5 KHz.  If we all subtract 1.5KHz we would be using the actual correct frequency, that is, centered at the bandplan frequency and ranging up or down a bit.

b. We agree as a group to shift down 2 KHz.  That will have the same effect with less confusion, assuming subtracting 1.5 KHz is confusing to some.

If we get the PODs folks to move, others will follow.  We can set a new standard ourselves, which might be easier than convincing the ARRL to update their bandplan.

I'm going to sit on 18.098 MHz on my dial, which puts fldigi looking at 18.0995 MHz.  It looks clear there, and around it.

Pete
WV3S

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:16 PM, tom@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 
As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8).   The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group. 

This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters.

If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon.  It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out.   Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9.

73,

Tom KN6Q  

---In 070@..., wrote :

I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now.....

Fr Richard
WB8YXF


On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case' artcase@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


 
I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it.
Steve
WA7ETE
PNW
#872
 
 
 

From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
 
Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
 
Not seeing you.  Can you see me?
 
Mike
WM4B
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I'm also there
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:57 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
CQing there now.  The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.
 
Mike
WM4B
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:48 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17.
I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it"
As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 9:29 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
Probably not, but "venting" feels good.     I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join.  There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
 
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
 
Jerry  n9avy
 
 

From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m.  But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that.  May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group  

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/ groups/wsjtgroup/info

and voice our complaints there?
 
The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole.  Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use.  Time to make our voice heard!
 
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602

 

 
 
 
 
 



--
WV3S
Monitoring 146.52 MHz & the CCARC UHF Repeater



Re: 17m PSK31

Randy True
 

When tuned to .097 does anyone else have a blob at 1700, or just local qrn?


Randy W4RTT




From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:25 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 

Sounds like an idea !
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "Peter Hiltz pmhiltz@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 
All,

Having noticed the same thing on the bands I'd like to propose we shift down in frequency, as a group, and let our shift of numbers pull a new standard.  Folks will find us and move so as to make contacts.

We can approach this two ways:

a. I've noticed that most signals are not at the bandplan frequencies, but instead up 1.5 KHz.  That is, we're setting our radios to the bandplan frequency which, at least in fldigi, puts you up 1.5 KHz.  If we all subtract 1.5KHz we would be using the actual correct frequency, that is, centered at the bandplan frequency and ranging up or down a bit.

b. We agree as a group to shift down 2 KHz.  That will have the same effect with less confusion, assuming subtracting 1.5 KHz is confusing to some.

If we get the PODs folks to move, others will follow.  We can set a new standard ourselves, which might be easier than convincing the ARRL to update their bandplan.

I'm going to sit on 18.098 MHz on my dial, which puts fldigi looking at 18.0995 MHz.  It looks clear there, and around it.

Pete
WV3S

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:16 PM, tom@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 
As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8).   The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group. 

This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters.

If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon.  It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out.   Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9.

73,

Tom KN6Q  

---In 070@..., wrote :

I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now.....

Fr Richard
WB8YXF


On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case' artcase@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


 
I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it.
Steve
WA7ETE
PNW
#872
 
 
 

From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
 
Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
 
Not seeing you.  Can you see me?
 
Mike
WM4B
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I'm also there
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:57 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
CQing there now.  The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.
 
Mike
WM4B
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:48 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17.
I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it"
As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 9:29 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
Probably not, but "venting" feels good.     I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join.  There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
 
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
 
Jerry  n9avy
 
 

From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m.  But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that.  May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group  

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/ groups/wsjtgroup/info

and voice our complaints there?
 
The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole.  Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use.  Time to make our voice heard!
 
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602

 

 
 
 
 
 



--
WV3S
Monitoring 146.52 MHz & the CCARC UHF Repeater



Re: 17m PSK31

Peter Hiltz
 

I've moved to 18.097.

Pete

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Moved down to 18.098 and it's definitely quieter, buy there are still FT8 signals at very top of waterfall.  A move to 18.097 might be a better choice.
 
Jerry   N9AVY



From: "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...>
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 
Sounds like an idea !
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "Peter Hiltz pmhiltz@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 
All,

Having noticed the same thing on the bands I'd like to propose we shift down in frequency, as a group, and let our shift of numbers pull a new standard.  Folks will find us and move so as to make contacts.

We can approach this two ways:

a. I've noticed that most signals are not at the bandplan frequencies, but instead up 1.5 KHz.  That is, we're setting our radios to the bandplan frequency which, at least in fldigi, puts you up 1.5 KHz.  If we all subtract 1.5KHz we would be using the actual correct frequency, that is, centered at the bandplan frequency and ranging up or down a bit.

b. We agree as a group to shift down 2 KHz.  That will have the same effect with less confusion, assuming subtracting 1.5 KHz is confusing to some.

If we get the PODs folks to move, others will follow.  We can set a new standard ourselves, which might be easier than convincing the ARRL to update their bandplan.

I'm going to sit on 18.098 MHz on my dial, which puts fldigi looking at 18.0995 MHz.  It looks clear there, and around it.

Pete
WV3S

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:16 PM, tom@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 
As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8).   The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group. 

This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters.

If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon.  It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out.   Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9.

73,

Tom KN6Q  

---In 070@..., wrote :

I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now.....

Fr Richard
WB8YXF


On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case' artcase@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


 
I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it.
Steve
WA7ETE
PNW
#872
 
 
 

From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
 
Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
 
Not seeing you.  Can you see me?
 
Mike
WM4B
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I'm also there
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:57 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
CQing there now.  The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.
 
Mike
WM4B
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:48 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17.
I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it"
As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 9:29 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
Probably not, but "venting" feels good.     I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join.  There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
 
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
 
Jerry  n9avy
 
 

From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m.  But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that.  May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group  

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/ groups/wsjtgroup/info

and voice our complaints there?
 
The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole.  Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use.  Time to make our voice heard!
 
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602

 

 
 
 
 
 



--
WV3S
Monitoring 146.52 MHz & the CCARC UHF Repeater







--
WV3S
Monitoring 146.52 MHz & the CCARC UHF Repeater


Re: 17m PSK31

Jerry N9AVY
 

Moved down to 18.098 and it's definitely quieter, buy there are still FT8 signals at very top of waterfall.  A move to 18.097 might be a better choice.
 
Jerry   N9AVY



From: "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...>
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 
Sounds like an idea !
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "Peter Hiltz pmhiltz@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 
All,

Having noticed the same thing on the bands I'd like to propose we shift down in frequency, as a group, and let our shift of numbers pull a new standard.  Folks will find us and move so as to make contacts.

We can approach this two ways:

a. I've noticed that most signals are not at the bandplan frequencies, but instead up 1.5 KHz.  That is, we're setting our radios to the bandplan frequency which, at least in fldigi, puts you up 1.5 KHz.  If we all subtract 1.5KHz we would be using the actual correct frequency, that is, centered at the bandplan frequency and ranging up or down a bit.

b. We agree as a group to shift down 2 KHz.  That will have the same effect with less confusion, assuming subtracting 1.5 KHz is confusing to some.

If we get the PODs folks to move, others will follow.  We can set a new standard ourselves, which might be easier than convincing the ARRL to update their bandplan.

I'm going to sit on 18.098 MHz on my dial, which puts fldigi looking at 18.0995 MHz.  It looks clear there, and around it.

Pete
WV3S

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:16 PM, tom@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 
As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8).   The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group. 

This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters.

If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon.  It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out.   Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9.

73,

Tom KN6Q  

---In 070@..., wrote :

I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now.....

Fr Richard
WB8YXF


On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case' artcase@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


 
I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it.
Steve
WA7ETE
PNW
#872
 
 
 

From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
 
Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
 
Not seeing you.  Can you see me?
 
Mike
WM4B
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I'm also there
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:57 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
CQing there now.  The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.
 
Mike
WM4B
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:48 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17.
I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it"
As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
 
Randy W4RTT
 

From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 9:29 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
Probably not, but "venting" feels good.     I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join.  There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
 
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
 
Jerry  n9avy
 
 

From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31
 
 
I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m.  But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that.  May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group  

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/ groups/wsjtgroup/info

and voice our complaints there?
 
The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole.  Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use.  Time to make our voice heard!
 
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602

 

 
 
 
 
 



--
WV3S
Monitoring 146.52 MHz & the CCARC UHF Repeater




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