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Re: FT8 Mode

k9wis@...
 

Like generating income to pay thier execs and lawyers?? Unfortunately I couldnt affort a $180 life membership 50 years ago when I was a teen.
Brian K9WIS
(Former ARRL member that got priced out with the last increase)

---- "Jerry n9avy@sbcglobal.net [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Run roughshod over them !  They'll get tired of fighting QRM or start a war !    Seriously, someone needs to come up with a decent band plan to keep this kind of stuff from happening.  I doubt that ARRL will do much since their interest lays in promoting other things. Jerry  N9AVY

From: "Charles Odom ki4vmk@yahoo.com [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
To: PODXS <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 1:20 PM
Subject: [070] FT8 Mode

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Re: FT8

Richard Rohrer
 

The spread of FT8 over other users seems to be a problem on 20 mtrs for other digital mode users and for cw nets on 80 mtrs.  Apparently the FT8 user group did not bother to see what other users/modes maybe already using the frequencies and just decided to put FT8 there.  Originally it was suppose to go 3 khz above the JT65 frequencies which would have eliminated the problem.  I have already gotten an warning from the protectors of the FT8 frequencies that I should move to a different frequency as not to cause interference on a frequency that I normally use of Hellschriber.  

Just my 2 cents.

Dick
KC3EF 


Re: FT8

F.R. Ashley
 

FWIW, I have emailed the WSJT-X development team with the concern of the default FT8 frequency on 17 meters.

I will post their reply.

73 Buddy WB4M
1545


Windjammer APE

DAVE KB3RAN 1692/381
 

I'm taking a Maine Windjammer cruise on the Lewis B French out of Camden ME on Aug 22 to 27th.  I will try to set up a station some nights when we are anchored for the night.  Not sure what nights I'll be able to set up.  My location will be determined by the wind.  Hopefully I'll be able to figure out my grid.  I will know my lat/long from the marine chart or gps.  Look for KB3RAN/MM  Windjammer    mostly on 20 meters running my FT857 to a magloop antenna.  


Dave Hardy

KB3RAN  1692/381


Re: FT8

Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

But until the ‘suggested’ anchor is changed in the software, nobody will
move. Problem is, 17 meters is pretty narrow.

I’m not sure how much PSK activity there is on 17 meters – always seems dead
when I’m there – but since FT8 is a ‘weak signal mode’ (although a lot of
people don’t think it’s a very good one), you think they’d want to avoid the
PSK region of the band.

FWIW, I worked several stations on FT8 tonight that the software reported as
-19 dB (I don’t know what that’s reference to) but to me the traces looked
pretty strong and I suspect if it had been PSK the qso would have been quite
possible.

Mike
WM4B

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:21 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] FT8

 
FT-8 freqs: Just go into the settings in WSJT-X and change the default freq.
to anything you want. None of this is set in stone.  I would "suggest" FT-8
default frequency raised closer to the 18.110 limit than lower into the CW
portion.  Seems like the JT modes, PSK and RTTY already competing for a very
small sliver of 17m.

73 Buddy WB4M
1545

I have been looking at FT8 as well.  If you download the program WSJT-X
1.8.0 and select FT8 and 17 meters, it automatically sets your frequency at
18.100.  You can complain to the individual operators all you want but the
solution would be to get the software gurus to change the 17 meter frequency
in the software to something other than 18.100.  This change could be made
fairly quickly and most of the current FT8 folks who get the regular
software updates and all new ones just coming up to speed on FT8 would have
the other frequency as their standard.  FT8 is new and still in development.
 It is a new world out there with things changing quickly.


Re: FT8

Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

Hey! It was MY idea FIRST! (Pout!)

Mike (but ya doesn’t have to call me Michael)
WM4B
#348

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 8:53 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] FT8


Level heads prevail ! Tnx Bill.

Jerry N9AVY

________________________________________
From: "Bill Garwood n4gbk@outlook.com [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
To: "070@yahoogroups.com" <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 7:28 PM
Subject: [070] FT8


Hi Folks,

I have been looking at FT8 as well. If you download the program WSJT-X 1.8.0 and select FT8 and 17 meters, it automatically sets your frequency at 18.100. You can complain to the individual operators all you want but the solution would be to get the software gurus to change the 17 meter frequency in the software to something other than 18.100. This change could be made fairly quickly and most of the current FT8 folks who get the regular software updates and all new ones just coming up to speed on FT8 would have the other frequency as their standard. FT8 is new and still in development. It is a new world out there with things changing quickly.

As was mentioned earlier today on this reflector, a nicely worded email to Joe K1JT asking him about why they chose 18.100 for the FT8 frequency and asking him to see if there is another frequency they might use for this mode, might be in order. Does the PODXS Club have an officer that might serve as the frequency coordinator?

I have not seen any FT8 operation in any of our other regular PSK31 frequencies. I have seen other digital modes but not FT8. Also what does the EPC or other PSK groups have to say about this. There are a lot of FT8 operators in Europe and beyond. I expect the 17 meter FT8 issue is world-wide.

73,
Bill N4GBK #1688


Re: FT8

F.R. Ashley
 

FT-8 freqs: Just go into the settings in WSJT-X and change the default freq. to anything you want. None of this is set in stone.� I would "suggest" FT-8 default frequency raised closer to the 18.110 limit than lower into the CW portion.� Seems like the JT modes, PSK and RTTY already competing for a very small sliver of 17m.

73 Buddy WB4M
1545


I have been looking at FT8 as well. �If you download the program WSJT-X 1.8.0 and select FT8 and 17 meters, it automatically sets your frequency at 18.100. �You can complain to the individual operators all you want but the solution would be to get the software gurus to change the 17 meter frequency in the software to something other than 18.100. �This change could be made fairly quickly and most of the current FT8 folks who get the regular software�updates and all new ones just coming up to speed on FT8 would have the other frequency as their standard. �FT8 is new and still in development. �It is a new world out there with things changing quickly.




Re: FT8

Jerry N9AVY
 

Level heads prevail !   Tnx Bill.
 
Jerry  N9AVY



From: "Bill Garwood n4gbk@... [070]" <070@...>
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 7:28 PM
Subject: [070] FT8

 
Hi Folks,

I have been looking at FT8 as well.  If you download the program WSJT-X 1.8.0 and select FT8 and 17 meters, it automatically sets your frequency at 18.100.  You can complain to the individual operators all you want but the solution would be to get the software gurus to change the 17 meter frequency in the software to something other than 18.100.  This change could be made fairly quickly and most of the current FT8 folks who get the regular software updates and all new ones just coming up to speed on FT8 would have the other frequency as their standard.  FT8 is new and still in development.  It is a new world out there with things changing quickly.

As was mentioned earlier today on this reflector, a nicely worded email to Joe K1JT asking him about why they chose 18.100 for the FT8 frequency and asking him to see if there is another frequency they might use for this mode, might be in order.  Does the PODXS Club have an officer that might serve as the frequency coordinator?  

I have not seen any FT8 operation in any of our other regular PSK31 frequencies.  I have seen other digital modes but not FT8.  Also what does the EPC or other PSK groups have to say about this.  There are a lot of FT8 operators in Europe and beyond.  I expect the 17 meter FT8 issue is world-wide.

73,
Bill N4GBK #1688




FT8

Bill Garwood
 

Hi Folks,


I have been looking at FT8 as well.  If you download the program WSJT-X 1.8.0 and select FT8 and 17 meters, it automatically sets your frequency at 18.100.  You can complain to the individual operators all you want but the solution would be to get the software gurus to change the 17 meter frequency in the software to something other than 18.100.  This change could be made fairly quickly and most of the current FT8 folks who get the regular software updates and all new ones just coming up to speed on FT8 would have the other frequency as their standard.  FT8 is new and still in development.  It is a new world out there with things changing quickly.


As was mentioned earlier today on this reflector, a nicely worded email to Joe K1JT asking him about why they chose 18.100 for the FT8 frequency and asking him to see if there is another frequency they might use for this mode, might be in order.  Does the PODXS Club have an officer that might serve as the frequency coordinator?  


I have not seen any FT8 operation in any of our other regular PSK31 frequencies.  I have seen other digital modes but not FT8.  Also what does the EPC or other PSK groups have to say about this.  There are a lot of FT8 operators in Europe and beyond.  I expect the 17 meter FT8 issue is world-wide.


73,

Bill N4GBK #1688



Re: FT8 Mode

Jerry N9AVY
 

Yes, it was in jest.   Last time some LID told me he owned the frequency, I told that I had the deed to frequency he sold me !
 
 
Jerry  N9AVY



From: "aj4tf@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: [070] Re: FT8 Mode

 
Suggestions to cause intentional interference to another station and claims to "own" a frequency are unsettling even though I'm sure they are in jest.

No one owns a frequency. Yes there are voluntary band plans but there will always be changes in transmission modes that voluntary band plans will not keep up with. It is a hobby, relax and enjoy it.



Re: Thanks Barry

boat.anchor@...
 




---In 070@..., <n7we1980@...> wrote :

And Barry VB7150 - you are a trooper up there in your piece of Paradise.  If I'm not mistaken you just need tomorrow and then Oct. 18.
Just OCT18 to go, TVM for reminder Rick.

366 is doable!  It just takes determination, perserverance, and only a little bit of luck.
Not happening in this house. I want to stay married.
Barry


Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: FT8 Mode

David M (AJ4TF)
 

Suggestions to cause intentional interference to another station and claims to "own" a frequency are unsettling even though I'm sure they are in jest.

No one owns a frequency. Yes there are voluntary band plans but there will always be changes in transmission modes that voluntary band plans will not keep up with. It is a hobby, relax and enjoy it.


Re: FT8 Mode

Brian (N2MLP)
 

You are correct

Somehow I read 20M ??

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 7:03 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: RE: [070] FT8 Mode

 

 

The topic was 17 meters.

 

Mike WM4B

On Aug 4, 2017 6:57 PM, "'Brian' n2mlp@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:

 

Psk  is 14.070

FT8 is 14.074

 

 

Don’t see a problem

 

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         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 6:24 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] FT8 Mode

 

 

I downloaded the software today just to play with.  The mode is brand new and the author has been receptive to suggestions in the past.  How about the PODXS officers send him an email and let him know his anchor frequency is already spoken for?

 

Mike

WM4B

On Aug 4, 2017 4:03 PM, "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:

 

Run roughshod over them !  They'll get tired of fighting QRM or start a war ! 

 

 Seriously, someone needs to come up with a decent band plan to keep this kind of stuff from happening.  I doubt that ARRL will do much since their interest lays in promoting other things.

 

Jerry  N9AVY

 


From: "Charles Odom ki4vmk@... [070]" <070@...>
To: PODXS <070@...>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 1:20 PM
Subject: [070] FT8 Mode

 

 

Has anyone noticed how the FT8 people have moved in on the PSK31 portion of 17 meters, are we supposed to move down ?

 


Re: FT8 Mode

Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

The topic was 17 meters.

Mike WM4B

On Aug 4, 2017 6:57 PM, "'Brian' n2mlp@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:
 

Psk  is 14.070

FT8 is 14.074

 

 

Don’t see a problem

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 6:24 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] FT8 Mode

 

 

I downloaded the software today just to play with.  The mode is brand new and the author has been receptive to suggestions in the past.  How about the PODXS officers send him an email and let him know his anchor frequency is already spoken for?

 

Mike

WM4B

On Aug 4, 2017 4:03 PM, "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:

 

Run roughshod over them !  They'll get tired of fighting QRM or start a war ! 

 

 Seriously, someone needs to come up with a decent band plan to keep this kind of stuff from happening.  I doubt that ARRL will do much since their interest lays in promoting other things.

 

Jerry  N9AVY

 


From: "Charles Odom ki4vmk@... [070]" <070@...>
To: PODXS <070@...>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 1:20 PM
Subject: [070] FT8 Mode

 

 

Has anyone noticed how the FT8 people have moved in on the PSK31 portion of 17 meters, are we supposed to move down ?

 


Re: FT8 Mode

Brian (N2MLP)
 

Psk  is 14.070

FT8 is 14.074

 

 

Don’t see a problem

 

========================

         de N2MLP Brian

       Monroe County PA

 

 

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From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 6:24 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] FT8 Mode

 

 

I downloaded the software today just to play with.  The mode is brand new and the author has been receptive to suggestions in the past.  How about the PODXS officers send him an email and let him know his anchor frequency is already spoken for?

 

Mike

WM4B

On Aug 4, 2017 4:03 PM, "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:

 

Run roughshod over them !  They'll get tired of fighting QRM or start a war ! 

 

 Seriously, someone needs to come up with a decent band plan to keep this kind of stuff from happening.  I doubt that ARRL will do much since their interest lays in promoting other things.

 

Jerry  N9AVY

 


From: "Charles Odom ki4vmk@... [070]" <070@...>
To: PODXS <070@...>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 1:20 PM
Subject: [070] FT8 Mode

 

 

Has anyone noticed how the FT8 people have moved in on the PSK31 portion of 17 meters, are we supposed to move down ?

 


Re: FT8 Mode

Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@...>
 

I downloaded the software today just to play with.  The mode is brand new and the author has been receptive to suggestions in the past.  How about the PODXS officers send him an email and let him know his anchor frequency is already spoken for?

Mike
WM4B

On Aug 4, 2017 4:03 PM, "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:
 

Run roughshod over them !  They'll get tired of fighting QRM or start a war ! 
 
 Seriously, someone needs to come up with a decent band plan to keep this kind of stuff from happening.  I doubt that ARRL will do much since their interest lays in promoting other things.
 
Jerry  N9AVY



From: "Charles Odom ki4vmk@... [070]" <070@...>
To: PODXS <070@...>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 1:20 PM
Subject: [070] FT8 Mode

 
Has anyone noticed how the FT8 people have moved in on the PSK31 portion of 17 meters, are we supposed to move down ?



Re: FT8 Mode

Charles Odom <ki4vmk@...>
 

Yup

On Aug 4, 2017, at 3:53 PM, "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:
 



 
 
 
 
This was a comment made on a FB page a bit ago in reply to FT8 comments about how some guy dropped his Eqsl account....
 
I find it interesting that so many complain about a service like eHam. FT8 is a crazy space encouraging rage. I don't think eHam  [Eqsl ?] is the source of the problem. I think it is the people who have entered the hobby without care for the old-school ethics and standards."

From: "Charles Odom ki4vmk@... [070]" <070@...>
To: PODXS <070@...>
Cc: PODXS <070@...>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [070] FT8 Mode

 
Well it's about that bad on 20 meters also FT8 has already come down into the other digital areas, Feld Hell, Olivia and such. Oh well we'll see, I'm not going to loose sleep over it, lol
On Aug 4, 2017, at 3:03 PM, "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" < 070@...> wrote:
 
Run roughshod over them !  They'll get tired of fighting QRM or start a war !  :) devil" class="yiv8854452801yahoo-ignore-inline-image" alt="*>:) devil" src="https://s.yimg.com/ok/u/assets/img/emoticons/emo15.gif" data="60dd7085-05d9-123f-2b29-41773005aeee">
 
 Seriously, someone needs to come up with a decent band plan to keep this kind of stuff from happening.  I doubt that ARRL will do much since their interest lays in promoting other things.
 
Jerry  N9AVY



From: "Charles Odom ki4vmk@... [070]" <070@...>
To: PODXS <070@...>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 1:20 PM
Subject: [070] FT8 Mode

 
Has anyone noticed how the FT8 people have moved in on the PSK31 portion of 17 meters, are we supposed to move down ?





Re: FT8 Mode

Jerry N9AVY
 



 
 
 
 
This was a comment made on a FB page a bit ago in reply to FT8 comments about how some guy dropped his Eqsl account....
 
I find it interesting that so many complain about a service like eHam. FT8 is a crazy space encouraging rage. I don't think eHam  [Eqsl ?] is the source of the problem. I think it is the people who have entered the hobby without care for the old-school ethics and standards."


From: "Charles Odom ki4vmk@... [070]" <070@...>
To: PODXS <070@...>
Cc: PODXS <070@...>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [070] FT8 Mode

 
Well it's about that bad on 20 meters also FT8 has already come down into the other digital areas, Feld Hell, Olivia and such. Oh well we'll see, I'm not going to loose sleep over it, lol
On Aug 4, 2017, at 3:03 PM, "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:
 
Run roughshod over them !  They'll get tired of fighting QRM or start a war ! 
 
 Seriously, someone needs to come up with a decent band plan to keep this kind of stuff from happening.  I doubt that ARRL will do much since their interest lays in promoting other things.
 
Jerry  N9AVY



From: "Charles Odom ki4vmk@... [070]" <070@...>
To: PODXS <070@...>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 1:20 PM
Subject: [070] FT8 Mode

 
Has anyone noticed how the FT8 people have moved in on the PSK31 portion of 17 meters, are we supposed to move down ?





Re: FT8 Mode

Charles Odom <ki4vmk@...>
 

Well it's about that bad on 20 meters also FT8 has already come down into the other digital areas, Feld Hell, Olivia and such. Oh well we'll see, I'm not going to loose sleep over it, lol

On Aug 4, 2017, at 3:03 PM, "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:
 

Run roughshod over them !  They'll get tired of fighting QRM or start a war ! 
 
 Seriously, someone needs to come up with a decent band plan to keep this kind of stuff from happening.  I doubt that ARRL will do much since their interest lays in promoting other things.
 
Jerry  N9AVY



From: "Charles Odom ki4vmk@... [070]" <070@...>
To: PODXS <070@...>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 1:20 PM
Subject: [070] FT8 Mode

 
Has anyone noticed how the FT8 people have moved in on the PSK31 portion of 17 meters, are we supposed to move down ?



W5MMW/VE3 Portable Operation (APE) August 19-26

W5MMW Matt Manjos
 

Just wanted to announce my plans to operate an August PSK Expedition while portable from Renfrew, Ontario, Canada.

I will be on the air as W5MMW/VE3 from grid FN15 starting Saturday, August 19th and running until Saturday, August 26th.

I'm planning on focusing on 20m during the day, 40m at night and occasionally 6m, but I can tune and operate on everything from 80 - 6 so I'm definitely open to a Sked if you need that grid on a particular band.

Likewise, please don't hesitate to reach out for a Sked if you'd like! I am hoping to be on the air each day for at least a few hours (mostly in the afternoon, Eastern time zone). Some operation will be done from pontoon boat! Pictures at https://qrz.com/db/W5MMW/VE3

I am also planning on being on the air running PSK during the Solar Eclipse QSO Party (August 21).

I will QSL as W5MMW/VE3 (pse include suffix) to LoTW and eQSL and will be handling Paper QSL cards from my QTH in Redwood City, CA. No SASE necessary, and I'll be printing special cards for this APE.

Thanks! 73

Matt - PODXS #2552
W5MMW

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