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Grids

Jerry N9AVY
 

Still kind of old-fashioned type and I like to see lists for things I'm chasing.  So, using Excel I made a list of all the grids I still need .. about 140 or so.  This way I can see at a glance what grids I need while operating. There's probably a way to do it on computer, but I like seeing stuff right in front of my eyes without having to bounce back and forth on computer screens.  Anyhow, this is what works for me.
 
The old list was terribly out of date because I was lax on checking grids off when I worked them. Don't expect to work many more or ever finish endorsement. I don't usually rely on QRZ or even the station for correct grid. QRZ is terribly inaccurate...  don't believe everything you read on QRZ !
It was fun making up list while I was waiting for freezer in garage to defrost ... it looked like Antarctica inside !  Took a couple hours, but it's done for another year.  Which reminds me that all to soon it will be "antenna maintenance"  time.  Check all those connections for loose wires/bolts , ground connections, cracks/holes in coax and all the other stuff no one wants to go out in cold or in middle of contest to fix. 
 
 
Jerry  N9AVY


30M

Randy True
 

30 is showing some prop from Cinciy to West coast. Get up and try it!


Randy W4RTT



Re: Membership package

Matthew King - AK4MK
 

Hey, good deal, Marty.

Donations are what makes the club go 'round, and we're about to undertake our endorsement mailing, so we'd sure appreciate any donations from anybody. Stamps are getting any cheaper, that's for sure!

Thanks, y'all....

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Marty martygrove@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

I did too!  Thanks PODXS folks. 

I'm going right now to send you all a couple donation bucks to help pay for the other new members coming in to PODXS.

Marty - KJ4LQX


On 07/14/2017 03:54 PM, Charles Odom ki4vmk@... [070] wrote:
 
My membership package came in the mail today, nice real nice thanks to all involved.
Charles
KI4VMK # 2542



Re: Membership package

Marty Grove
 

I did too!  Thanks PODXS folks. 

I'm going right now to send you all a couple donation bucks to help pay for the other new members coming in to PODXS.

Marty - KJ4LQX


On 07/14/2017 03:54 PM, Charles Odom ki4vmk@... [070] wrote:
 
My membership package came in the mail today, nice real nice thanks to all involved.
Charles
KI4VMK # 2542


Re: Membership package

Matthew King - AK4MK
 

Glad you got it, Charles - welcome to the club!

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Charles Odom ki4vmk@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

My membership package came in the mail today, nice real nice thanks to all involved.
Charles
KI4VMK # 2542



Membership package

Charles Odom <ki4vmk@...>
 

My membership package came in the mail today, nice real nice thanks to all involved.
Charles
KI4VMK # 2542


Re: Question ?

boat.anchor@...
 

One of our local clubs is testing the viability of courses in good operating practices.
Barry



---In 070@..., <kg5krz@...> wrote :

I would like to tie that in to another conversation currently going on.  The topic of PSK31 Technical information on the PODXS website.  I think that this would be the PSK equivalent of "Teach a man to fish". I like to think that if others were more informed,  we wouldn't have as many full names or folks calling me Raymond.  ;-) 
New hams, I like to think,  want to do the right thing but need a source of information to know what right looks like.  You,... WE, could be the becon to the path of PSK righteousness.

My belated  $0.02

JT
KG5KRZ



Re: Question ?

Jerry N9AVY
 

Sometimes the name is important if working DX in case the call was busted due to QRN/QRM and temporary dyslexia. Having the name can sometimes be used to verify the correct call.  It fies that the guy on the other end isn't taking a nap.
 
Jerry  n9avy



From: "David Rock david@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [070] Question ?

 

> On Jul 14, 2017, at 13:34, Radio radio@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
>
> To me this all seems to be a bit of a tempest in a teacup. Other OPs can call me whatever they wish (except late for dinner:) as long as they get my call right.

I think the point is “do you have a valid QSO if the info isn’t exchanged properly?”
When you send “Bob” and they reply with “Robert”, you are not guaranteed they are actually getting the information from you over the air. While the computer/internet based info a nice bonus, this is supposed to be about communication over the air. If all you got was Macro replies, did you actually have a QSO?


David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...




Re: Question ?

David, K9DWR
 

On Jul 14, 2017, at 13:34, Radio radio@hollywoodtitle.com [070] <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

To me this all seems to be a bit of a tempest in a teacup. Other OPs can call me whatever they wish (except late for dinner:) as long as they get my call right.
I think the point is “do you have a valid QSO if the info isn’t exchanged properly?”
When you send “Bob” and they reply with “Robert”, you are not guaranteed they are actually getting the information from you over the air. While the computer/internet based info a nice bonus, this is supposed to be about communication over the air. If all you got was Macro replies, did you actually have a QSO?



David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com


Re: Question ?

Radio <radio@...>
 

To me this all seems to be a bit of a tempest in a teacup. Other OPs can call me whatever they wish (except late for dinner:) as long as they get my call right.

That said, I’m always careful to use whatever name they send me. QRZ fills in the data in my log (and then the first name in my macros), but it is easy to snag any changes (Middle names, nicknames, etc.). I try and give the other guy the benefit of the doubt. OPs new to PSK are not as quick to modify their macros as those of us with a little more experience can. I just assume that the other guy is learning. In the end, it is a pretty small burden to bear.

OM/YL is fine by me too. XYL seems a trifle rude and unnecessary to me. But I don’t let it bother me.

One thing that seems a little weird to me is when an OP has a nickname on QRZ (Lenny, Charlie, Bill) but they give you the formal name in a QSO (Leonard, Charles, William). I still go with their stated preference in the QSO.

Another country heard from,
73 de Eric, KG6MZS


Re: Question ?

mwbesemer@...
 


Re: Question ?

boat.anchor@...
 

Jerry

Maybe we should consider OP (other person) instead of OM/YL.
There is a lot of history with OM/YL and I don't think anyone gets offended before they provide a name or clarification. If the correction does not happen after I provide my name then that becomes laziness on the OP's part, unless foreign DX where naming conventions may differ.
Barry



---In 070@..., <n9avy@...> wrote :


When working some DX, because of the name given and the simple fact there's no voice to go on, we just have to guess.  Which is why I try to avoid using  OM/YL.
 
Maybe when some replies with my full name , I should substitute "Dear Sir or Madam " ,  hi !  hi ! (telegraphic laugh like LOL)
 
Jerry  N9AVY
 
 

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Re: 10m open

Jerry N9AVY
 

Sometimes the band is open, but everyone is listening for everyone else to call first.   One ham said it was like being in an apartment building where no one heard anyone until they opened a window and yelled out.
 
The old 10-10 motto was " You gotta make calls if you want to get results.". Still true  today.   BTW,  anyone who lists their 10-10 number on any band other than 10m  needs to know that it's only valid on 10m...  on other bands it's just so much space filler. 
 
With all the info passed here in last 24 hours or so, someone  should piece it all together and make something informative that could be on club web page.
 
 
Jerry  N9AVY



From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@...>
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [070] 10m open

 
Yep, I' was calling for a bit. NADA

Randy W4RTT



From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 11:05 AM
To: 070 List Service 070 List Service
Subject: [070] 10m open
 
 
Seeing 2  robots  here in IL  ....  KD4IZ  &  W2EV  ... no other psk31  signals
 
 
Jerry  N9AVY



Re: Question ?

Randy True
 

Guideline #1, YES YES YES!


Randy W4RTT




From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'ljl2002@...' joe_molon@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 11:22 AM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] Question ?
 
 

JT,
If there were more OPS like you out there we would have far less confusion and agitaaah on the bands.
Your are setting a fine example for others.
Keep it up.

Joe
KA1PPV  #1482


On Friday, July 14, 2017 11:13 AM, "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:


 
Here's a bit I wrote some time ago as part of  "A Newcomer’s Guide to Operating PSK31"

GUIDELINE #1 – WATCH, WATCH, and then WATCH SOME MORE!
 
New hams are generally advised to Listen, Listen, Listen.  But for PSK31 (and most other digital modes) the rule is Watch, Watch, Watch.  PSK31 is a visual mode.  On your computer screen you have a waterfall that displays signals on the band as well as text boxes that display sent and a received messages.  Instead of keying the mic and asking “Is the frequency in use?” or sending “QRL?” as we were taught to do for phone and CW operations, watch the waterfall for several seconds to make sure, make sure, no one is using that particular segment of the band. 
 
When you finish a transmission, glance at the waterfall to make sure your rig dropped out of the transmit mode.  You will see lots of transmissions where the text ends followed by nothing but carrier (a railroad track).  Often this happens when transmitting by direct keyboard typing (as opposed to macros) and the operator forgets to hit the stop button.  The transmitter remains keyed but no one can tell you since you aren’t in receive mode – similar to the “stuck mic” problem on phone.  The habit to develop is to always glance at the waterfall at the end of a transmission.


Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602





Re: 10m open

Randy True
 

Yep, I' was calling for a bit. NADA


Randy W4RTT




From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...>
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 11:05 AM
To: 070 List Service 070 List Service
Subject: [070] 10m open
 
 

Seeing 2  robots  here in IL  ....  KD4IZ  &  W2EV  ... no other psk31  signals
 
 
Jerry  N9AVY


Re: Question ?

ljl2002@att.net
 

JT,
If there were more OPS like you out there we would have far less confusion and agitaaah on the bands.
Your are setting a fine example for others.
Keep it up.

Joe
KA1PPV  #1482


On Friday, July 14, 2017 11:13 AM, "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:


 
Here's a bit I wrote some time ago as part of  "A Newcomer’s Guide to Operating PSK31"

GUIDELINE #1 – WATCH, WATCH, and then WATCH SOME MORE!
 
New hams are generally advised to Listen, Listen, Listen.  But for PSK31 (and most other digital modes) the rule is Watch, Watch, Watch.  PSK31 is a visual mode.  On your computer screen you have a waterfall that displays signals on the band as well as text boxes that display sent and a received messages.  Instead of keying the mic and asking “Is the frequency in use?” or sending “QRL?” as we were taught to do for phone and CW operations, watch the waterfall for several seconds to make sure, make sure, no one is using that particular segment of the band. 
 
When you finish a transmission, glance at the waterfall to make sure your rig dropped out of the transmit mode.  You will see lots of transmissions where the text ends followed by nothing but carrier (a railroad track).  Often this happens when transmitting by direct keyboard typing (as opposed to macros) and the operator forgets to hit the stop button.  The transmitter remains keyed but no one can tell you since you aren’t in receive mode – similar to the “stuck mic” problem on phone.  The habit to develop is to always glance at the waterfall at the end of a transmission.


Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602





Re: Question ?

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Well, I’ll put my .02 worth in I guess!! — I agree with all the comments, listen, learn and then transmit —

When I first started, I got some pointers from a number of people regarding macros.  I watched others for awhile, I created some macros and got on the air (2009) — I bet I tweaked my macros for at least a year and I occasionally still tweak a macro here and there.  I have macros for 10 meters with club numbers including 10-10 (and I use that only on 10M); I have macros for basically 12-80 meters excluding 30 meters and provide basic info including club numbers; I also have 30 meter macros which include my 30 meter number (I love it when people give out their 30 meter number on 20 and 40 meters!!); 

My data fields come from either the log or QRZ and when I get the name, I always (unless I forget!!! hihi) copy their name they provide me in the name field.  If I have worked them and know them pretty good I usually will start off with their name, however, like one other person said, I will generally say OM or YL, etc.

During contests I may not get their preferred name as some do not give names so what goes in the name field is just there unless I definitely know their name, then I will change it.   

It’s just a matter of watching, paying attention and learning and then applying all that to your working conditions.  It’s not all that hard and makes life a lot easier.    I worked someone yesterday and gave my name as Dan and they kept coming back with Daniel and I told them my name was Dan and then they all of a sudden had to go!! Oh well, that’s the way it goes.

I appreciate all the comments that are given on this reflector. Just about everything is very constructive and helpful.

Dan Morris  KZ3T

I live to live for Him!



On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:58 AM, 'J.T.' kg5krz@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


I try to live by the rule that God gave me 2 ears and one mouth.  Therefore I should listen twice as much as I speak.  When investigating a new mode, contest, or whatever,  I always listen and learn before I transmit.  In some cases  (RTTY) I never crack the code,  so I never reply to anyone. 

If there was a good source of protocol for different modes, i would bookmark and use often.

On Jul 14, 2017 9:10 AM, "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:
 

Think I heard something like that before.  "Listen more than you transmit".   
 
You can learn a lot about operating procedures by listening (a.k.a. "copying the mail") .  Spend enough time doing that and you will learn the good and the bad (and maybe even the ugly !).  At any rate, you will soon figure out how to make macros that will fit your operating style.
 
Got a good chuckle  out of "Good DX in 2007" comment !  Have seen that one a couple times.
 
Jerry  N9AVY #454



From: "David Rock david@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@... 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [070] Question ?

 

> On Jul 14, 2017, at 00:08, Thomas Kisner tom@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Ditto. Someone kindly clued me in on one of my first PSK31 QSOs.
> 
> Bonus - I didn't understand the "good DX in 2007" (or whatever the year was) in the default 73 message was a supposed to edited to the current year either. I thought man, 2007 must have been a great year in the solar cycle or something :)

There is one old-fashioned rule that still applies that has a lot to do with this general problem; listen before you TX. If you listen long enough, you start to pick up what “normal” traffic looks like. I wonder how this tried-and-true method can be incorporated.

  
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...







Re: Question ?

Jerry N9AVY
 

Good Rick !
 
jerry  N9avy



From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [070] Question ?

 
Here's a bit I wrote some time ago as part of  "A Newcomer’s Guide to Operating PSK31"

GUIDELINE #1 – WATCH, WATCH, and then WATCH SOME MORE!
 
New hams are generally advised to Listen, Listen, Listen.  But for PSK31 (and most other digital modes) the rule is Watch, Watch, Watch.  PSK31 is a visual mode.  On your computer screen you have a waterfall that displays signals on the band as well as text boxes that display sent and a received messages.  Instead of keying the mic and asking “Is the frequency in use?” or sending “QRL?” as we were taught to do for phone and CW operations, watch the waterfall for several seconds to make sure, make sure, no one is using that particular segment of the band. 
 
When you finish a transmission, glance at the waterfall to make sure your rig dropped out of the transmit mode.  You will see lots of transmissions where the text ends followed by nothing but carrier (a railroad track).  Often this happens when transmitting by direct keyboard typing (as opposed to macros) and the operator forgets to hit the stop button.  The transmitter remains keyed but no one can tell you since you aren’t in receive mode – similar to the “stuck mic” problem on phone.  The habit to develop is to always glance at the waterfall at the end of a transmission.


Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602





Re: Question ?

Rick - N7WE
 

Here's a bit I wrote some time ago as part of  "A Newcomer’s Guide to Operating PSK31"

GUIDELINE #1 – WATCH, WATCH, and then WATCH SOME MORE!

 

New hams are generally advised to Listen, Listen, Listen.  But for PSK31 (and most other digital modes) the rule is Watch, Watch, Watch.  PSK31 is a visual mode.  On your computer screen you have a waterfall that displays signals on the band as well as text boxes that display sent and a received messages.  Instead of keying the mic and asking “Is the frequency in use?” or sending “QRL?” as we were taught to do for phone and CW operations, watch the waterfall for several seconds to make sure, make sure, no one is using that particular segment of the band. 

 

When you finish a transmission, glance at the waterfall to make sure your rig dropped out of the transmit mode.  You will see lots of transmissions where the text ends followed by nothing but carrier (a railroad track).  Often this happens when transmitting by direct keyboard typing (as opposed to macros) and the operator forgets to hit the stop button.  The transmitter remains keyed but no one can tell you since you aren’t in receive mode – similar to the “stuck mic” problem on phone.  The habit to develop is to always glance at the waterfall at the end of a transmission.



Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602



10m open

Jerry N9AVY
 

Seeing 2  robots  here in IL  ....  KD4IZ  &  W2EV  ... no other psk31  signals
 
 
Jerry  N9AVY

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