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Re: Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

mwbesemer@...
 


Re: Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

Jerry N9AVY
 

That's why DX stations work split.    CW software is good up to a point...weak signals, QRN, QRM, sloppy sending, etc. all take their toll.  Think of CW software as "training wheels"  because at times you will have to use your own ears.
 
Jerry  N9AVY



From: "David Rock david@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

 
I have been successful with just using fldigi to both send and receive CW. It’s not perfect, but good enough to communicate for a basic QSO. It won’t help if you are on the receiving end of a pileup, though. Software can’t pick out the individual contacts in a sea of responses.


David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...

> On Jul 12, 2017, at 12:03, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
>
>
> Barry:
>
> Don't know about that unit. But I know some folks use CW Get or other software to receive CW and couple with N1MM software that will allow you to receive CW.
>
>
> Jerry N9AVY
>
> From: "boat.anchor@... [070]" <070@...>
> To: 070@...
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 11:44 AM
> Subject: RE: [070] Re: Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes
>
>
> Rick
> I have zero CW skills due to shakes and industrial deafness. Would this kit allow me to do some CW from my kybd.
> TIA
> Barry
>




Re: New WSJT-X 1.7.1 - Was Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

boat.anchor@...
 


James
TVM 4 link
Barry


---In 070@..., <james.quinby@...> wrote :

If you're feeling brave - I've been running the new release candidate for a day or two now and it seems pretty stable - it's 1.8.0-rc1. A new mode (FT8) has been added, as has a frequency calibration widget that I haven't quite figured out yet. The download link is at the bottom of the WSJTX page.


On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:21 AM boat.anchor@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Rick


I tried to find V1.7.1 but looks like only available to those if you can build WSJT-X from source code.
will have to eait for a while.
regards
Barry



---In 070@..., <n7we1980@...> wrote :

Bryon-

Tried to respond off-list to your email from QRZ and it bounced.  So here it is on list!

snip


You said you are using a SignalLink for an interface.  I've been using microHAM interfaces since I got into PSK in 2006.  Right now I'm using the microHAM USB III for two reasons.  First, even though it costs more, it has a better sound card than the SignalLink (better decode), and second (the major factor for me) it handles rig control communications with the K3 which the SignalLink does not do.  Thus using HRD software gives me full computer control of the rig and logging, as well as the most digital modes (but not WSJT modes) through DM780.  For JT modes (there is a new WSJT-X out yesterday that has a new mode - FT8!) having rig control through the microHAM allows me to run WSJT-X (all modes) direct - no HRD.  


snip


Rick - N7WE

070 - #1602



 


Re: Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

David, K9DWR
 

I have been successful with just using fldigi to both send and receive CW. It’s not perfect, but good enough to communicate for a basic QSO. It won’t help if you are on the receiving end of a pileup, though. Software can’t pick out the individual contacts in a sea of responses.


David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com

On Jul 12, 2017, at 12:03, Jerry n9avy@sbcglobal.net [070] <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Barry:

Don't know about that unit. But I know some folks use CW Get or other software to receive CW and couple with N1MM software that will allow you to receive CW.


Jerry N9AVY

From: "boat.anchor@yahoo.ca [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [070] Re: Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes


Rick
I have zero CW skills due to shakes and industrial deafness. Would this kit allow me to do some CW from my kybd.
TIA
Barry


Re: Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

Jerry N9AVY
 

Barry:
 
Don't know about that unit. But I know some folks use CW Get or other software to receive CW and couple with N1MM software that will allow you to receive CW.
 
 
Jerry  N9AVY


From: "boat.anchor@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [070] Re: Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

 
Rick
I have zero CW skills due to shakes and industrial deafness. Would this kit allow me to do some CW from my kybd. 
TIA
Barry


On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:09 AM, n7we1980@... [070] wrote:

I have not used the computer generated CW - but I should.  Don't do CW as I can't hear well and my hands shake.  But I have been looking into the K1EL K42 CW Keyboard Kit.  It gets rave reviews on eHam, does keyboard CW direct (no interface needed), and has a decoder/display built in.  You never see them listed for sale on the used market!  It looks like a fairly straight forward kit to build.  I'm thinking about saving my pennies to make it a project!  Hi hi.

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602






Re: Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

boat.anchor@...
 

Rick
I have zero CW skills due to shakes and industrial deafness. Would this kit allow me to do some CW from my kybd. 
TIA
Barry


On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:09 AM, n7we1980@... [070] wrote:

I have not used the computer generated CW - but I should.  Don't do CW as I can't hear well and my hands shake.  But I have been looking into the K1EL K42 CW Keyboard Kit.  It gets rave reviews on eHam, does keyboard CW direct (no interface needed), and has a decoder/display built in.  You never see them listed for sale on the used market!  It looks like a fairly straight forward kit to build.  I'm thinking about saving my pennies to make it a project!  Hi hi.

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602




Re: Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

David, K9DWR
 

On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:09, n7we1980@gmail.com [070] <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Tried to respond off-list to your email from QRZ and it bounced. So here it is on list!
I’m glad it got bounced; lots of great info in here that everyone can use :-)



David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@graniteweb.com


Re: Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

mwbesemer@...
 


Re: New WSJT-X 1.7.1 - Was Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

james quinby <james.quinby@...>
 

If you're feeling brave - I've been running the new release candidate for a day or two now and it seems pretty stable - it's 1.8.0-rc1. A new mode (FT8) has been added, as has a frequency calibration widget that I haven't quite figured out yet. The download link is at the bottom of the WSJTX page.


On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:21 AM boat.anchor@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Rick


I tried to find V1.7.1 but looks like only available to those if you can build WSJT-X from source code.
will have to eait for a while.
regards
Barry



---In 070@..., wrote :

Bryon-

Tried to respond off-list to your email from QRZ and it bounced.  So here it is on list!

snip


You said you are using a SignalLink for an interface.  I've been using microHAM interfaces since I got into PSK in 2006.  Right now I'm using the microHAM USB III for two reasons.  First, even though it costs more, it has a better sound card than the SignalLink (better decode), and second (the major factor for me) it handles rig control communications with the K3 which the SignalLink does not do.  Thus using HRD software gives me full computer control of the rig and logging, as well as the most digital modes (but not WSJT modes) through DM780.  For JT modes (there is a new WSJT-X out yesterday that has a new mode - FT8!) having rig control through the microHAM allows me to run WSJT-X (all modes) direct - no HRD.  


snip


Rick - N7WE

070 - #1602



 


New WSJT-X 1.7.1 - Was Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

boat.anchor@...
 

Rick

I tried to find V1.7.1 but looks like only available to those if you can build WSJT-X from source code.
will have to eait for a while.
regards
Barry



---In 070@..., <n7we1980@...> wrote :

Bryon-

Tried to respond off-list to your email from QRZ and it bounced.  So here it is on list!

snip


You said you are using a SignalLink for an interface.  I've been using microHAM interfaces since I got into PSK in 2006.  Right now I'm using the microHAM USB III for two reasons.  First, even though it costs more, it has a better sound card than the SignalLink (better decode), and second (the major factor for me) it handles rig control communications with the K3 which the SignalLink does not do.  Thus using HRD software gives me full computer control of the rig and logging, as well as the most digital modes (but not WSJT modes) through DM780.  For JT modes (there is a new WSJT-X out yesterday that has a new mode - FT8!) having rig control through the microHAM allows me to run WSJT-X (all modes) direct - no HRD.  


snip


Rick - N7WE

070 - #1602



 


Re: Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

Rick - N7WE
 

OK Mike...what did you buy?  New interface?  K1EL K42 kit?  Or did you sign up for a spankin' brand new K3S with all the options?  Inquiring minds want to know!!!

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Commemorative Special Events

boat.anchor@...
 

Joe

Yes 20M is a tough one lately. 40M around 00:00-03:00 is vy noisy here and I seldom see anyone.
40M in the early am 12-13Z is fairly good here es I am still getting AS/OC contacts there but still
not much from the east. I guess you are at work by then.
We keep trying
Barry
VB7150


---In 070@..., <joe_molon@...> wrote :

Barry,


I checked 20m but the condx on that band have been awful lately.

I moved to 40m and I saw you calling CQ in several places so I tried about a dozen times but you couldn't hear me.

( Or you just didn't want to talk to me hi hi hi)

Your sig was barely above the noise but I was able to copy OK.


I saw your special event card on QRZ. Very nice indeed so I will keep looking for your call on 20m & 40m.

I usually can tell when I have a chance if I see some stations from "6" land.

I tried to work a station from Idaho (K7ETE) but no joy there either.  The sigs on north/south routes were strong though. (Canada Ontario- NC- Cuba but nothing much going East/West.)


73

Joe (slave of the Sun)

KA1PPV  #1482





Re: Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

mwbesemer@...
 


Re: Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

Rick - N7WE
 

Bryon-

Tried to respond off-list to your email from QRZ and it bounced.  So here it is on list!

Some of this will be repeating stuff you know, but it helps explain my thinking. I note that you are using DX Labs Suite and don't want to change your logging program.  So let me say right up front, I have no experience with DX Labs but hear good things from those that use it.


I have a K3 (not the K3s) and do almost all digital anymore.  I use a microHAM USB III interface to the rig and HRD and WSJT-X for software.  More about that in a moment.  As you know, the K3 did not include a sound card.  It does have a decoder that works on CW, PSK31, and RTTY.  Also, PSK31 and RTTY can be sent using a key or paddle without a sound card.  There is an upgrade ( KIO3BUPKT) that adds USB and a sound card to make it similar to the K3s.  I do not have that upgrade and have always used an outboard sound card/interface.


You said you are using a SignalLink for an interface.  I've been using microHAM interfaces since I got into PSK in 2006.  Right now I'm using the microHAM USB III for two reasons.  First, even though it costs more, it has a better sound card than the SignalLink (better decode), and second (the major factor for me) it handles rig control communications with the K3 which the SignalLink does not do.  Thus using HRD software gives me full computer control of the rig and logging, as well as the most digital modes (but not WSJT modes) through DM780.  For JT modes (there is a new WSJT-X out yesterday that has a new mode - FT8!) having rig control through the microHAM allows me to run WSJT-X (all modes) direct - no HRD.  


WSJT-X has automated rig control built in - band change, frequency selection, key/unkey, the whole works.  I think the problem you have with JT65 is that JT65 is not able to control the rig through the SignalLink.  I do use WSJT-X JTAlert software (old version - release 2.7.8) with HRD logging.  The trick is to open HRDlog (without opening HRD) prior to starting WSJT-X and JTAlert.  That automatically logs your WSJT-X qso's to the HRD log.  But you need to stay with the old 2.7.8 version as Laurie discontinued support of HRD logging with the 2.8 and later versions - but that's another story.  Not sure how JTAlert interfaces to DX Labs logging, but I'm sure it does and there should be plenty of info on the web about that.


I have not used the computer generated CW - but I should.  Don't do CW as I can't hear well and my hands shake.  But I have been looking into the K1EL K42 CW Keyboard Kit.  It gets rave reviews on eHam, does keyboard CW direct (no interface needed), and has a decoder/display built in.  You never see them listed for sale on the used market!  It looks like a fairly straight forward kit to build.  I'm thinking about saving my pennies to make it a project!  Hi hi.


Great to see that you are into digital modes and interested in improving your station.  If I can help in any way, and that includes info about settings, configurations, or anything else, I'd be happy to do so.  I can send screen shots of my configurations if that would be helpful.


Hope this helps without confusing.  73 Bryon, and hope to work you again soon.


PS - I'm definitely jealous of that Hexbeam!!!!  One of my sorrows of HOAs!


Rick - N7WE

070 - #1602




10M

Randy True
 

Looks like 10 is opening from new england to the SW.


Randy

W4RTT



Re: Commemorative Special Events

ljl2002@att.net
 

Barry,


I checked 20m but the condx on that band have been awful lately.

I moved to 40m and I saw you calling CQ in several places so I tried about a dozen times but you couldn't hear me.

( Or you just didn't want to talk to me hi hi hi)

Your sig was barely above the noise but I was able to copy OK.


I saw your special event card on QRZ. Very nice indeed so I will keep looking for your call on 20m & 40m.

I usually can tell when I have a chance if I see some stations from "6" land.

I tried to work a station from Idaho (K7ETE) but no joy there either.  The sigs on north/south routes were strong though. (Canada Ontario- NC- Cuba but nothing much going East/West.)


73

Joe (slave of the Sun)

KA1PPV  #1482





Re: Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

Marty Grove
 

I'll ditto everything the other OM's said regarding the SignaLink.  The SignaLink is a nice unit and I use mine whenever I am working remote ops with my Icom IC-7000.  But at home, using my TS-590S I simply use the data mode and all the the 'audio' for digital work rides over the USB cable that plugs into my PC. 

I don't own an Elecraft (nice rig, by the way) but I know of several people who do and have had great success using the direct USB connection method.  So I vote making that the first change to your digital station.

Marty - KJ4LQX


On 07/11/2017 06:41 PM, 'Ray Clements' r.clements@... [070] wrote:
 

Many of the newer radios have a sound card built in.
I have a Icom 7600 connected directly to the computer via USB.
A single  USB cable connects both as a COM port and as a sound card.
It sure makes digital modes easier than having to set up USB to COM adapter for rig control and a sound card modem such as a Signalink, Rigblaster, etc.

Ray N9RWC

------ Original Message ------
Received: 05:23 PM CDT, 07/11/2017
From: "'John Etling - K3JAE' john@... [070]" <070@...>
To: <070@...>
Subject: RE: [070] Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes


 

I run JT65 and PSK31 and do NOT use any Sound Card device (ie. SignaLink, RigBlaster etc.). KX3 connected via USB cable direct to the laptop I use for portable operations. Might try to set up without using any of those devices. I also use only DXLabs as my rig control as well as logging etc. so my setup would be very similar to what you have.

 

Make sure you download the latest drivers and software updates from Elecraft for your radio, if there are any.

 

It appears everyone is under the impression that a SignaLink etc. is required to operate the newest of radios. I have found out very, very few of them actually require a SignaLink or comparable device in between the radio and the computer.

 

I’m Just Sayin’

73 de K3JAE

 

John

 

 

 

 

 

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 16:14
To: 070@...
Subject: [070] Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

 

 

I'm looking for ways to improve my station setup when it comes to digital. 

 

I've done mostly PSK31, I've also done JT65, and even less RTTY. 

 

I have an Elecraft K3, connected to a Tigertronics SignaLink USB and into DX Lab Suite.

 

I do not want to change my logging software. But, I get some strange things using this setup for JT65. It often times does not STOP Tx. So I can manually turn transmit on and off. This wasn't always the case, so I've tried messing with settings. I'm also not sure if the Signalink is giving me the best signal possible. 

 

What items would you change in this setup? What Software do you use for JT65?

 

I've been away from the list for a long time. We started finishing the basement at the end of last year...where the shack is. The nice thing, the basement is done and I have enough power for 2 HF Amplifiers, but no amp. =) Looking to get back into the modes and digital I prefer. Would love to do CW using the computer if anyone has some input on how to do that well.

 

Thanks,

Bryon Densley, W7RIV





Re: Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

Ray Clements
 

Many of the newer radios have a sound card built in.
I have a Icom 7600 connected directly to the computer via USB.
A single  USB cable connects both as a COM port and as a sound card.
It sure makes digital modes easier than having to set up USB to COM adapter for rig control and a sound card modem such as a Signalink, Rigblaster, etc.

Ray N9RWC

------ Original Message ------
Received: 05:23 PM CDT, 07/11/2017
From: "'John Etling - K3JAE' john@... [070]" <070@...>
To: <070@...>
Subject: RE: [070] Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes


 

I run JT65 and PSK31 and do NOT use any Sound Card device (ie. SignaLink, RigBlaster etc.). KX3 connected via USB cable direct to the laptop I use for portable operations. Might try to set up without using any of those devices. I also use only DXLabs as my rig control as well as logging etc. so my setup would be very similar to what you have.

 

Make sure you download the latest drivers and software updates from Elecraft for your radio, if there are any.

 

It appears everyone is under the impression that a SignaLink etc. is required to operate the newest of radios. I have found out very, very few of them actually require a SignaLink or comparable device in between the radio and the computer.

 

I’m Just Sayin’

73 de K3JAE

 

John

 

 

 

 

 

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 16:14
To: 070@...
Subject: [070] Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

 

 

I'm looking for ways to improve my station setup when it comes to digital. 

 

I've done mostly PSK31, I've also done JT65, and even less RTTY. 

 

I have an Elecraft K3, connected to a Tigertronics SignaLink USB and into DX Lab Suite.

 

I do not want to change my logging software. But, I get some strange things using this setup for JT65. It often times does not STOP Tx. So I can manually turn transmit on and off. This wasn't always the case, so I've tried messing with settings. I'm also not sure if the Signalink is giving me the best signal possible. 

 

What items would you change in this setup? What Software do you use for JT65?

 

I've been away from the list for a long time. We started finishing the basement at the end of last year...where the shack is. The nice thing, the basement is done and I have enough power for 2 HF Amplifiers, but no amp. =) Looking to get back into the modes and digital I prefer. Would love to do CW using the computer if anyone has some input on how to do that well.

 

Thanks,

Bryon Densley, W7RIV




Re: Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

Paul <nu4c@...>
 

Bryan,

I am a very active PSKER and a K3 operator. The K3 is a great rig for PSK. I have not used JT65 and rarely use RTTY.

The K3 does NOT need any interface for PSK. I use a pair of stereo cables (with 3.5mm stereo plugs, tip, ring, ring)  between the radio and computer. I also use the computer's soundcard.

I use FLDIGI software for PSK and have it setup to enter each QSO into the included FLDIGI log when I send my SK macro or hit the log button. I enter all my calls in DXKEEPER by hand (Old school, I know. But I am old HI).

I have the USB/232 cable connected between the rig and computer, but I don't use it for rig control (Old school again). But I do use it for sending CW. Check before purchase of USB/232 cable with a simple phone call to Elecraft. Some older cables won't  work.

 I have arthritis in both hands and cannot use a key, and no one would listen for very long if I used paddles. So, keyboard sending is it for me. If you haven't downloaded Elecraft's excellent K3 utility, do so. You can build 15 or so macros in it and seamlessly transition to keyboard sending, all at a speed you choose.

The Elecraft K3 manual provides clear set up instructions for stereo cable and 232 cable set up and connection.

Have fun & 73
de Paul NU4C #824


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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bryon nnegrom@... [070]" <070@...>
Date: 7/11/17 17:14 (GMT-05:00)
To: 070@...
Subject: [070] Station Setup Improvements for Digital Modes

 

I'm looking for ways to improve my station setup when it comes to digital. 

I've done mostly PSK31, I've also done JT65, and even less RTTY. 

I have an Elecraft K3, connected to a Tigertronics SignaLink USB and into DX Lab Suite.

I do not want to change my logging software. But, I get some strange things using this setup for JT65. It often times does not STOP Tx. So I can manually turn transmit on and off. This wasn't always the case, so I've tried messing with settings. I'm also not sure if the Signalink is giving me the best signal possible. 

What items would you change in this setup? What Software do you use for JT65?

I've been away from the list for a long time. We started finishing the basement at the end of last year...where the shack is. The nice thing, the basement is done and I have enough power for 2 HF Amplifiers, but no amp. =) Looking to get back into the modes and digital I prefer. Would love to do CW using the computer if anyone has some input on how to do that well.

Thanks,
Bryon Densley, W7RIV


Re: 10 Meter Opening

wa3gm
 

It figures  i have neen tied up all day.....
😲

Greg
Wa3gm


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8+, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...>
Date: 7/11/17 11:55 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] 10 Meter Opening

 

Just worked OK here on 10m.  Aimed beam to SE trying old 10m trick which seemed to work.  Now copying W1AET  working VA3FLF
 
 
Jerry N9AVY   
From: "oldjavadrinker@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 10:28 AM
Subject: [070] 10 Meter Opening
 



 
Looks like I have a little 10M opening this am to the south. I will be calling CQ for a bit if anyone is around.
1528 Z.

Steve
VA3FLF
# 2301




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