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Ivory Coast

Jerry N9AVY
 

Looks like they have a dedicated station for PSK/digital modes with 5 stations running.  Hopefully they'll be on this weekend and through the 19th.   Please spot them on 070 group if you hear them.  This is a fairly rare one on PSK31.

Jerry  N9AVY  #454

From 425 DX News #1345

  TU - TU7C is the callsign issued to the Radio-club de Provins' large
team for their 9-19 March DXpedition to Grand Bassam, Cote d'Ivoire
[425DXN 1341]. Fifteen operators will be QRV on 160-6 metres CW,
SSB, RTTY and PSK with five stations (one for CW, two for SSB, one
for digital modes
and one for 6m). QSL via Club Log's OQRS and
LoTW; traditional cards should be sent to F1ULQ (direct or bureau).
See https://tu2017dx.wordpress.com/ for more information and
updates. [TNX F5NQL]


Re: Ivory Coast calling

Bill Williams
 

The web site says the 10th was the first day of operation and that they are there until the 19th.  The front page and the log say PSK is on 20M but I am not sure if that is for the one day or the whole time.  I must assume they will change bands at some point.

With so few people demonstrating a knowledge of  how to work UP there seems to be a pretty good chance of getting them.

73,
Bill
AG4QX
#0398

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Dan Morris dbmorris315@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Same here - I saw his trace and answering stations but just could not make contact with him.  I tried calling numerous times but nada.   I could NOT see any of the other stations working him.  Hopefully he will be on again this weekend.


Dan Morris  KZ3T





On Mar 10, 2017, at 10:50 PM, 'F.R. Ashley' gdadx2@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


I got lucky and worked him too. But I could not hear most of the stations he was working.


73 Buddy WB4M 1575

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On 3/10/2017 6:41 PM, Bill Williams ag4qx@... [070] wrote:
 
TU7C is calling CQ on about 14.0718 and working UP.  He has to content with all the people answering on his his CQ frequency  but I got him in about 15 calls.  I transmitted about 14.0728.

go get him,
Bill

AG4QX
#0398







Re: Ivory Coast calling

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Same here - I saw his trace and answering stations but just could not make contact with him.  I tried calling numerous times but nada.   I could NOT see any of the other stations working him.  Hopefully he will be on again this weekend.

Dan Morris  KZ3T





On Mar 10, 2017, at 10:50 PM, 'F.R. Ashley' gdadx2@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


I got lucky and worked him too. But I could not hear most of the stations he was working.


73 Buddy WB4M 1575


On 3/10/2017 6:41 PM, Bill Williams ag4qx@... [070] wrote:
 
TU7C is calling CQ on about 14.0718 and working UP.  He has to content with all the people answering on his his CQ frequency  but I got him in about 15 calls.  I transmitted about 14.0728.

go get him,
Bill

AG4QX
#0398






Re: Ivory Coast calling

F.R. Ashley
 

I got lucky and worked him too. But I could not hear most of the stations he was working.


73 Buddy WB4M 1575


On 3/10/2017 6:41 PM, Bill Williams ag4qx@... [070] wrote:

 
TU7C is calling CQ on about 14.0718 and working UP.  He has to content with all the people answering on his his CQ frequency  but I got him in about 15 calls.  I transmitted about 14.0728.

go get him,
Bill

AG4QX
#0398




Re: Ivory Coast calling

Rick - N7WE
 

Worked him 3/11 at 00:51 UTC - Working split.  Calling CQ at 14.071.830.  TXed up about 900.  Got him 2nd call.  Strong  into central FL.

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Ivory Coast calling

Matthew King <mrk.twg@...>
 

Saw Morris work him and the band was fading fast. I saw a "K4MK" come back to me, and I gave him a couple "ak4mk ak4mk" shots, but then got a "4MK" back.

He says busted calls to be corrected after the expedition. Hopefully I'm in there already.

Thanks for the tip, Bill!

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Morris Wideman wa4mit@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Worked him big signal here in Alabama thanks Bill I had been calling them on 30M cw with no luck on dipole but the beam on 20M made a big dif.
73 wa4mit Morris


On Friday, March 10, 2017 5:42 PM, "Bill Williams ag4qx@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:


 
TU7C is calling CQ on about 14.0718 and working UP.  He has to content with all the people answering on his his CQ frequency  but I got him in about 15 calls.  I transmitted about 14.0728.

go get him,
Bill

AG4QX
#0398






Re: Ivory Coast calling

Morris WA4MIT
 

Worked him big signal here in Alabama thanks Bill I had been calling them on 30M cw with no luck on dipole but the beam on 20M made a big dif.
73 wa4mit Morris


On Friday, March 10, 2017 5:42 PM, "Bill Williams ag4qx@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:


 
TU7C is calling CQ on about 14.0718 and working UP.  He has to content with all the people answering on his his CQ frequency  but I got him in about 15 calls.  I transmitted about 14.0728.

go get him,
Bill

AG4QX
#0398





Re: Ivory Coast calling

Jerry N9AVY
 

No joy here in Illinois - propagation lousy. 

Jerry  N9AVY



From: "Bill Williams ag4qx@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070 <070@...>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 5:41 PM
Subject: [070] Ivory Coast calling

 
TU7C is calling CQ on about 14.0718 and working UP.  He has to content with all the people answering on his his CQ frequency  but I got him in about 15 calls.  I transmitted about 14.0728.

go get him,
Bill

AG4QX
#0398





Ivory Coast calling

Bill Williams
 

TU7C is calling CQ on about 14.0718 and working UP.  He has to content with all the people answering on his his CQ frequency  but I got him in about 15 calls.  I transmitted about 14.0728.

go get him,
Bill

AG4QX
#0398



Re: Interference

David Westbrook
 

Thanks!! That's exactly the type of info I was looking for (and knew I must have missed in my really quick look through the Part 97 text).

73!
--david
KJ4IZW


On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 11:57 AM, David Rock david@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

> On Mar 10, 2017, at 10:35, David Westbrook dwestbrook@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
>
>
> With no ID, it would be considered an unlicensed transmission and perhaps even broadcasting.  In any event it's illegal.
>
> Obviously their transmission isn't legal ...  But if you reply to it with ID,  is that also illegal?   That's what i'm curious to see a reference for.
>
> Not advising to ever reply (as Rick said, best not to), just wondering on the exact rule.

I’ve heard this before.  This is what I’ve worked out previously.

97.111(b)(2) defines one-way being allowed "Brief transmissions necessary to establishing two-way communications with other stations;”

Which this arguably is the case (you are trying to establish communication).  Just because they don’t answer, that’s not your problem.  However once you start talking to them (i.e., they answer),

97.111(a) says you can’t have a two-way conversation with just anyone.

(1) is talking to another amateur
(2) is relief action
(3) is emergency
(4) is government stations
(5) is non-regulated but they are authorized by the FCC

It all boils down to defining the state of the other station. Do they fall into an appropriate category under 97.111(a)?
If they don’t fit (1)-(5) (which they wouldn’t be if they don’t ID), you are in violation.


David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...



Re: Interference

David, K9DWR
 

On Mar 10, 2017, at 10:35, David Westbrook dwestbrook@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


With no ID, it would be considered an unlicensed transmission and perhaps even broadcasting. In any event it's illegal.

Obviously their transmission isn't legal ... But if you reply to it with ID, is that also illegal? That's what i'm curious to see a reference for.

Not advising to ever reply (as Rick said, best not to), just wondering on the exact rule.
I’ve heard this before. This is what I’ve worked out previously.

97.111(b)(2) defines one-way being allowed "Brief transmissions necessary to establishing two-way communications with other stations;”

Which this arguably is the case (you are trying to establish communication). Just because they don’t answer, that’s not your problem. However once you start talking to them (i.e., they answer),

97.111(a) says you can’t have a two-way conversation with just anyone.

(1) is talking to another amateur
(2) is relief action
(3) is emergency
(4) is government stations
(5) is non-regulated but they are authorized by the FCC

It all boils down to defining the state of the other station. Do they fall into an appropriate category under 97.111(a)?
If they don’t fit (1)-(5) (which they wouldn’t be if they don’t ID), you are in violation.


David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...


Re: Interference

David Westbrook
 

With no ID, it would be considered an unlicensed transmission and perhaps even broadcasting.  In any event it's illegal. 

Obviously their transmission isn't legal ...  But if you reply to it with ID,  is that also illegal?   That's what i'm curious to see a reference for.

Not advising to ever reply (as Rick said, best not to), just wondering on the exact rule.

73!
--david
KJ4IZW
 

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

With no ID, it would be considered an unlicensed transmission and perhaps even broadcasting.  In any event it's illegal. 

If you should catch an ID,  never contact that station directly.  Some of those are real head cases and a some have had death threats from contacting a station.

n9avy



From: "David Westbrook dwestbrook@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [070] Interference

 
"I will be sending a repo.  into ARRL Bureu"

Hopefully he does report it, so they can correct him!

One other caution - and this was passed to our club from those who deal with these situations.  DO NOT ENGAGE THE INDIVIDUAL.   
 
It might also be illegal to respond?  I seem to recall reading once that someone was cited for transmitting to an unidentified station, but don't remember details (might have been involving 14.313) ... I just tried to give Part 97 a quick search (http://www.arrl.org/part-97-text) but didn't see anything (maybe it's considered "one-way" communication since other side isn't identified/legal?) ... 
Can anyone provide a citation?

73!
--david
KJ4IZW


On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 8:12 AM, n7we1980@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 
Good morning all-

Unfortunately I have some experience with dealing with intentional interference in a prior club role.  It can be dealt with, but it takes time and effort.

The fact that this individual failed to ID tells me this was not simply a "misinformed" individual seeking to be helpful.  Regrettably, my experience has been this type of behavior will be repeated and is not self-correcting.  And the only way to impact it is through the FCC and the ARRL OO program.  It takes time and documentation, documentation, documentation to get any action, but it eventually happens.

To that end I filed an Interference complaint with the FCC this morning using their on-line complaint form.  I also sent my ARRL Section Manager and ARRL OO the following:

Rick here -
N7WE - ARRL Member # 2000168852
Leesburg, FL 34748

Last evening between about 00:30 UTC and 01:30 UTC I was operating PSK31 between 7.070 and 7.072.  I observed an individual intentionally and repeatedly interfering with stations calling CQ and in-progress QSOs.  He was using sufficient power to jam the in-progress QSOs.  The text he or she transmitted was:

7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
You are operating out of data band!!
I will be sending a repo.  into ARRL Bureu

He or she specifically jammed a QSO between myself and KZ3T - Dan Morris - at approximately 01:00 to the point that we were unable to complete the QSO.  At no time during this period did the station identify. 

As I only have a vertical, I am unable to provide an azimuth on the transmissions.  Hopefully, this was a one-time occurrence and the individual will correct their ways. Experience tells me that is probably an idle hope.  Thus this email to you.   Should the behavior persist, I will let you know and ask for your assistance.

I am also filing a complaint of intentional interference and failure to identify with the FCC  via the on-line complaint system.

Thank you & 73,

Rick - N7WE
Leesburg, FL

If you were interfered with, or saw others being interfered with, please consider making an FCC complaint and informing your Section Manager and OO.  The "ball" has to get really big before it starts rolling!

One other caution - and this was passed to our club from those who deal with these situations.  DO NOT ENGAGE THE INDIVIDUAL.  This only incites them and caused them to become more devious and harder to track down.

Thanks,

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602






Re: Interference

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Ok, I did find it and went through it all, I did give an account number though which I think is a number or password number.   thanks

Dan Morris







On Mar 10, 2017, at 8:55 AM, n7we1980@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

Dan-

Yes, select the form for Radio and then follow the prompts.  You need your email, then Subject - I used intentional interference and failure to identify.   Then there is a space (free text entry) for "description" for you to enter your specific complaint.  After that it is mostly drop down boxes - Radio Issues - interference, Radio Interference Sub Issue - from Amateur Radio, Your Radio Method - Amateur Radio, Account number - leave blank, and then all the pro forma contact info.  The Submit button will not go active until you have all the necessary boxes filled.

Hope that helps.

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602



Re: Interference

Rick - N7WE
 

Yup. That's the law.  And the Second Law of Freedom is....."Don't xxxx off the Feds!"  Just ask Martha Stewart.

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Interference

Jerry N9AVY
 

Rick:

If the FCC comes to door and asks to inspect one's station, provided they have proper ID, it's best to let them in. I recall a couple cases where they were flatly refused and it didn't go well for the offender. 

Jerry



From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [070] Interference

 
Thanks Jerry-

I already got a response from our OO for the section.  You are right...not anything they can do at this point.  But he did say he would include my complaint in his report...which is what we want right now.  Make the ball big!  If and when it is big enough, then in the past our OO got the Section Manager involved, and he got the ARRL Hq guys to bug the FCC.  Then things started happening.  But it takes time, time, time. And documentation, documentation, documentation.

When the station is not IDing, the FCC seems to get more excited and starts direction finding.  I should imagine that when the FCC bangs on your door while you are transmitting and demands inspection of your station, it tends to get your attention.  It has happened!  But now that field offices and staff have been so greatly downsized, ham complaints are probably way down the list.  But we did get action that resolved the issue.  Of course, that was then.  Now is now.

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602



Re: Interference

Jerry N9AVY
 

With no ID, it would be considered an unlicensed transmission and perhaps even broadcasting.  In any event it's illegal. 

If you should catch an ID,  never contact that station directly.  Some of those are real head cases and a some have had death threats from contacting a station.

n9avy



From: "David Westbrook dwestbrook@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [070] Interference

 
"I will be sending a repo.  into ARRL Bureu"

Hopefully he does report it, so they can correct him!

One other caution - and this was passed to our club from those who deal with these situations.  DO NOT ENGAGE THE INDIVIDUAL.   
 
It might also be illegal to respond?  I seem to recall reading once that someone was cited for transmitting to an unidentified station, but don't remember details (might have been involving 14.313) ... I just tried to give Part 97 a quick search (http://www.arrl.org/part-97-text) but didn't see anything (maybe it's considered "one-way" communication since other side isn't identified/legal?) ... 
Can anyone provide a citation?

73!
--david
KJ4IZW


On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 8:12 AM, n7we1980@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 
Good morning all-

Unfortunately I have some experience with dealing with intentional interference in a prior club role.  It can be dealt with, but it takes time and effort.

The fact that this individual failed to ID tells me this was not simply a "misinformed" individual seeking to be helpful.  Regrettably, my experience has been this type of behavior will be repeated and is not self-correcting.  And the only way to impact it is through the FCC and the ARRL OO program.  It takes time and documentation, documentation, documentation to get any action, but it eventually happens.

To that end I filed an Interference complaint with the FCC this morning using their on-line complaint form.  I also sent my ARRL Section Manager and ARRL OO the following:

Rick here -
N7WE - ARRL Member # 2000168852
Leesburg, FL 34748

Last evening between about 00:30 UTC and 01:30 UTC I was operating PSK31 between 7.070 and 7.072.  I observed an individual intentionally and repeatedly interfering with stations calling CQ and in-progress QSOs.  He was using sufficient power to jam the in-progress QSOs.  The text he or she transmitted was:

7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
You are operating out of data band!!
I will be sending a repo.  into ARRL Bureu

He or she specifically jammed a QSO between myself and KZ3T - Dan Morris - at approximately 01:00 to the point that we were unable to complete the QSO.  At no time during this period did the station identify. 

As I only have a vertical, I am unable to provide an azimuth on the transmissions.  Hopefully, this was a one-time occurrence and the individual will correct their ways. Experience tells me that is probably an idle hope.  Thus this email to you.   Should the behavior persist, I will let you know and ask for your assistance.

I am also filing a complaint of intentional interference and failure to identify with the FCC  via the on-line complaint system.

Thank you & 73,

Rick - N7WE
Leesburg, FL

If you were interfered with, or saw others being interfered with, please consider making an FCC complaint and informing your Section Manager and OO.  The "ball" has to get really big before it starts rolling!

One other caution - and this was passed to our club from those who deal with these situations.  DO NOT ENGAGE THE INDIVIDUAL.  This only incites them and caused them to become more devious and harder to track down.

Thanks,

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602





Re: Interference

Rick - N7WE
 

Thanks Jerry-

I already got a response from our OO for the section.  You are right...not anything they can do at this point.  But he did say he would include my complaint in his report...which is what we want right now.  Make the ball big!  If and when it is big enough, then in the past our OO got the Section Manager involved, and he got the ARRL Hq guys to bug the FCC.  Then things started happening.  But it takes time, time, time. And documentation, documentation, documentation.

When the station is not IDing, the FCC seems to get more excited and starts direction finding.  I should imagine that when the FCC bangs on your door while you are transmitting and demands inspection of your station, it tends to get your attention.  It has happened!  But now that field offices and staff have been so greatly downsized, ham complaints are probably way down the list.  But we did get action that resolved the issue.  Of course, that was then.  Now is now.

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Interference

David Westbrook
 

"I will be sending a repo.  into ARRL Bureu"

Hopefully he does report it, so they can correct him!

One other caution - and this was passed to our club from those who deal with these situations.  DO NOT ENGAGE THE INDIVIDUAL.   
 
It might also be illegal to respond?  I seem to recall reading once that someone was cited for transmitting to an unidentified station, but don't remember details (might have been involving 14.313) ... I just tried to give Part 97 a quick search (http://www.arrl.org/part-97-text) but didn't see anything (maybe it's considered "one-way" communication since other side isn't identified/legal?) ... 
Can anyone provide a citation?

73!
--david
KJ4IZW


On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 8:12 AM, n7we1980@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Good morning all-

Unfortunately I have some experience with dealing with intentional interference in a prior club role.  It can be dealt with, but it takes time and effort.

The fact that this individual failed to ID tells me this was not simply a "misinformed" individual seeking to be helpful.  Regrettably, my experience has been this type of behavior will be repeated and is not self-correcting.  And the only way to impact it is through the FCC and the ARRL OO program.  It takes time and documentation, documentation, documentation to get any action, but it eventually happens.

To that end I filed an Interference complaint with the FCC this morning using their on-line complaint form.  I also sent my ARRL Section Manager and ARRL OO the following:

Rick here -
N7WE - ARRL Member # 2000168852
Leesburg, FL 34748

Last evening between about 00:30 UTC and 01:30 UTC I was operating PSK31 between 7.070 and 7.072.  I observed an individual intentionally and repeatedly interfering with stations calling CQ and in-progress QSOs.  He was using sufficient power to jam the in-progress QSOs.  The text he or she transmitted was:

7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
You are operating out of data band!!
I will be sending a repo.  into ARRL Bureu

He or she specifically jammed a QSO between myself and KZ3T - Dan Morris - at approximately 01:00 to the point that we were unable to complete the QSO.  At no time during this period did the station identify. 

As I only have a vertical, I am unable to provide an azimuth on the transmissions.  Hopefully, this was a one-time occurrence and the individual will correct their ways. Experience tells me that is probably an idle hope.  Thus this email to you.   Should the behavior persist, I will let you know and ask for your assistance.

I am also filing a complaint of intentional interference and failure to identify with the FCC  via the on-line complaint system.

Thank you & 73,

Rick - N7WE
Leesburg, FL

If you were interfered with, or saw others being interfered with, please consider making an FCC complaint and informing your Section Manager and OO.  The "ball" has to get really big before it starts rolling!

One other caution - and this was passed to our club from those who deal with these situations.  DO NOT ENGAGE THE INDIVIDUAL.  This only incites them and caused them to become more devious and harder to track down.

Thanks,

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602



Re: Interference

Rick - N7WE
 

Dan-

Yes, select the form for Radio and then follow the prompts.  You need your email, then Subject - I used intentional interference and failure to identify.   Then there is a space (free text entry) for "description" for you to enter your specific complaint.  After that it is mostly drop down boxes - Radio Issues - interference, Radio Interference Sub Issue - from Amateur Radio, Your Radio Method - Amateur Radio, Account number - leave blank, and then all the pro forma contact info.  The Submit button will not go active until you have all the necessary boxes filled.

Hope that helps.

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Interference

Jerry N9AVY
 

Not sure if that will bring any action.  The ARRL OO program seems to be in limbo since the departure of the ARRL OO program administrator last Fall.  There was some mention that his duties would be taken over by "staff", but I haven't seen that, yet. There was also talk of the OO program becoming more closely tied to FCC, but that has as yet failed to materialize.

As an OO, I monitored the same transmission that you did, but without an ID there was little I could do because there was no call given, I could not send out an Official Observer Advisory Notice.  If this happens again I'll try to catch an ID if one is given. 

My take is that the guy was copying PSK31 signals, knew they were legal data signals and was just trying to stir up trouble.

Jerry, N9AVY
OO




From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [070] Interference

 
Good morning all-

Unfortunately I have some experience with dealing with intentional interference in a prior club role.  It can be dealt with, but it takes time and effort.

The fact that this individual failed to ID tells me this was not simply a "misinformed" individual seeking to be helpful.  Regrettably, my experience has been this type of behavior will be repeated and is not self-correcting.  And the only way to impact it is through the FCC and the ARRL OO program.  It takes time and documentation, documentation, documentation to get any action, but it eventually happens.

To that end I filed an Interference complaint with the FCC this morning using their on-line complaint form.  I also sent my ARRL Section Manager and ARRL OO the following:

Rick here -
N7WE - ARRL Member # 2000168852
Leesburg, FL 34748

Last evening between about 00:30 UTC and 01:30 UTC I was operating PSK31 between 7.070 and 7.072.  I observed an individual intentionally and repeatedly interfering with stations calling CQ and in-progress QSOs.  He was using sufficient power to jam the in-progress QSOs.  The text he or she transmitted was:

7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
You are operating out of data band!!
I will be sending a repo.  into ARRL Bureu

He or she specifically jammed a QSO between myself and KZ3T - Dan Morris - at approximately 01:00 to the point that we were unable to complete the QSO.  At no time during this period did the station identify. 

As I only have a vertical, I am unable to provide an azimuth on the transmissions.  Hopefully, this was a one-time occurrence and the individual will correct their ways. Experience tells me that is probably an idle hope.  Thus this email to you.   Should the behavior persist, I will let you know and ask for your assistance.

I am also filing a complaint of intentional interference and failure to identify with the FCC  via the on-line complaint system.

Thank you & 73,

Rick - N7WE
Leesburg, FL

If you were interfered with, or saw others being interfered with, please consider making an FCC complaint and informing your Section Manager and OO.  The "ball" has to get really big before it starts rolling!

One other caution - and this was passed to our club from those who deal with these situations.  DO NOT ENGAGE THE INDIVIDUAL.  This only incites them and caused them to become more devious and harder to track down.

Thanks,

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602