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Re: Interference

Jerry N9AVY
 

"Data"  is all inclusive in that all digital modes are lumped into the "data" category. Therefore PSK31 is  considered "data".  

The only thing that keeps the band from being total chaos is the ARRL Band Plan which is merely a "gentlemen's agreement" and by no means FCC law. Hams do pretty well policing the bands until some yo-yo shows up like last night who thinks he a kilocycle kop.  There are always a few of these nuts on the bands who are to be ignored as best as possible.

Have heard RTTY signals on 14070 from time to time. They call CQ  and get no answer and move away.  Of course, when there's a RTTY contest those contesters take over every piece of PSK31 real estate they can. That's when we should look to the WARC bands if they're open.

Jerry   N9AVY  #454




From: "Paul Butzi kg7stv@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [070] Interference

 
I suppose this isn’t a matter of reasoning, but mostly I’m just curious why this person hasn’t included psk31 in the ‘data’ part of RTTY/data.

It must be very frustrating to him to tune to 7070 and see eight different qso’s in progress, all of which to him are violations of the ‘rules’.  And it’s very hard for him to make them all stop because he can only interfere in one at a time!

Ah, well.  To my great relief, that is most definitely not my circus and not my monkeys.  But I do think that perhaps he’s forgetting to smile and have fun.

-p KG7STV
73, don’t forget to smile and have fun



On Mar 9, 2017, at 4:52 PM, Dan Morris dbmorris315@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

Huh == that guy just came across to me and told me I was operating out of band and then gave the following:
7.080 - 7.125 RTTY/Data and repeated that several times and of course he did not identify himself but he had a fairly strong signal — I’m on 7071.5

Dan Morris KZ3T 070-1065
dbmorris315@...





Re: Interference

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Rick - the complaint you filed on the FCC web site, was it under Radio and then the form that comes up??  I have never done this before but feel if we don’t do something it could get out of hand. 

thanks

Dan Morris  KZ3T





On Mar 10, 2017, at 8:12 AM, n7we1980@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

Good morning all-

Unfortunately I have some experience with dealing with intentional interference in a prior club role.  It can be dealt with, but it takes time and effort.

The fact that this individual failed to ID tells me this was not simply a "misinformed" individual seeking to be helpful.  Regrettably, my experience has been this type of behavior will be repeated and is not self-correcting.  And the only way to impact it is through the FCC and the ARRL OO program.  It takes time and documentation, documentation, documentation to get any action, but it eventually happens.

To that end I filed an Interference complaint with the FCC this morning using their on-line complaint form.  I also sent my ARRL Section Manager and ARRL OO the following:

Rick here -
N7WE - ARRL Member # 2000168852
Leesburg, FL 34748

Last evening between about 00:30 UTC and 01:30 UTC I was operating PSK31 between 7.070 and 7.072.  I observed an individual intentionally and repeatedly interfering with stations calling CQ and in-progress QSOs.  He was using sufficient power to jam the in-progress QSOs.  The text he or she transmitted was:

7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
You are operating out of data band!!
I will be sending a repo.  into ARRL Bureu

He or she specifically jammed a QSO between myself and KZ3T - Dan Morris - at approximately 01:00 to the point that we were unable to complete the QSO.  At no time during this period did the station identify.  

As I only have a vertical, I am unable to provide an azimuth on the transmissions.  Hopefully, this was a one-time occurrence and the individual will correct their ways. Experience tells me that is probably an idle hope.  Thus this email to you.   Should the behavior persist, I will let you know and ask for your assistance.

I am also filing a complaint of intentional interference and failure to identify with the FCC  via the on-line complaint system.

Thank you & 73,

Rick - N7WE
Leesburg, FL 

If you were interfered with, or saw others being interfered with, please consider making an FCC complaint and informing your Section Manager and OO.  The "ball" has to get really big before it starts rolling!

One other caution - and this was passed to our club from those who deal with these situations.  DO NOT ENGAGE THE INDIVIDUAL.  This only incites them and caused them to become more devious and harder to track down.

Thanks,

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602




Re: Interference

Rick - N7WE
 

Good morning all-

Unfortunately I have some experience with dealing with intentional interference in a prior club role.  It can be dealt with, but it takes time and effort.

The fact that this individual failed to ID tells me this was not simply a "misinformed" individual seeking to be helpful.  Regrettably, my experience has been this type of behavior will be repeated and is not self-correcting.  And the only way to impact it is through the FCC and the ARRL OO program.  It takes time and documentation, documentation, documentation to get any action, but it eventually happens.

To that end I filed an Interference complaint with the FCC this morning using their on-line complaint form.  I also sent my ARRL Section Manager and ARRL OO the following:

Rick here -
N7WE - ARRL Member # 2000168852
Leesburg, FL 34748

Last evening between about 00:30 UTC and 01:30 UTC I was operating PSK31 between 7.070 and 7.072.  I observed an individual intentionally and repeatedly interfering with stations calling CQ and in-progress QSOs.  He was using sufficient power to jam the in-progress QSOs.  The text he or she transmitted was:

7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
You are operating out of data band!!
I will be sending a repo.  into ARRL Bureu

He or she specifically jammed a QSO between myself and KZ3T - Dan Morris - at approximately 01:00 to the point that we were unable to complete the QSO.  At no time during this period did the station identify. 

As I only have a vertical, I am unable to provide an azimuth on the transmissions.  Hopefully, this was a one-time occurrence and the individual will correct their ways. Experience tells me that is probably an idle hope.  Thus this email to you.   Should the behavior persist, I will let you know and ask for your assistance.

I am also filing a complaint of intentional interference and failure to identify with the FCC  via the on-line complaint system.

Thank you & 73,

Rick - N7WE
Leesburg, FL

If you were interfered with, or saw others being interfered with, please consider making an FCC complaint and informing your Section Manager and OO.  The "ball" has to get really big before it starts rolling!

One other caution - and this was passed to our club from those who deal with these situations.  DO NOT ENGAGE THE INDIVIDUAL.  This only incites them and caused them to become more devious and harder to track down.

Thanks,

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602


Re: Interference

Steve W3HF
 

I think the issue is that he has mistaken the ARRL band plan as mandatory rules. The links I included earlier clearly state that the range he quotes (7.080-7.125) is identified by the ARRL as "RTTY/data". I think he's saying that 7070 is lower than 7080, so it is a violation. But the ARRL band plan is only voluntary, and hasn't been updated in quite a while. And it doesn't even really include 7070--it has a single frequency (7040) for RTTY DX and then there's a gap between that freq and 7080. 

As others have pointed out, the FCC rules clearly allow data (non-specific as to actual mode) from 7025 to 7125. But he doesn't seem to realize the difference between FCC rules and ARRL recommendations.

Steve 
W3HF 
 
On 03/10/17, Paul Butzi kg7stv@... [070]<070@...> wrote:
 


I suppose this isn’t a matter of reasoning, but mostly I’m just curious why this person hasn’t included psk31 in the ‘data’ part of RTTY/data.

It must be very frustrating to him to tune to 7070 and see eight different qso’s in progress, all of which to him are violations of the ‘rules’.  And it’s very hard for him to make them all stop because he can only interfere in one at a time!

Ah, well.  To my great relief, that is most definitely not my circus and not my monkeys.  But I do think that perhaps he’s forgetting to smile and have fun.

-p KG7STV
73, don’t forget to smile and have fun



On Mar 9, 2017, at 4:52 PM, Dan Morris dbmorris315@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

Huh == that guy just came across to me and told me I was operating out of band and then gave the following:
7.080 - 7.125 RTTY/Data and repeated that several times and of course he did not identify himself but he had a fairly strong signal — I’m on 7071.5

Dan Morris KZ3T 070-1065
dbmorris315@...





Re: Interference

Paul Butzi <kg7stv@...>
 

I suppose this isn’t a matter of reasoning, but mostly I’m just curious why this person hasn’t included psk31 in the ‘data’ part of RTTY/data.

It must be very frustrating to him to tune to 7070 and see eight different qso’s in progress, all of which to him are violations of the ‘rules’.  And it’s very hard for him to make them all stop because he can only interfere in one at a time!

Ah, well.  To my great relief, that is most definitely not my circus and not my monkeys.  But I do think that perhaps he’s forgetting to smile and have fun.

-p KG7STV
73, don’t forget to smile and have fun



On Mar 9, 2017, at 4:52 PM, Dan Morris dbmorris315@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

Huh == that guy just came across to me and told me I was operating out of band and then gave the following:
7.080 - 7.125 RTTY/Data and repeated that several times and of course he did not identify himself but he had a fairly strong signal — I’m on 7071.5

Dan Morris KZ3T 070-1065
dbmorris315@...



Re: Intentional Interference on 40m

Jerry N9AVY
 

Just another sociopath with a license to annoy others.   There should be a mental stability test as a part of all amateur tests.


Jerry  N9AVY



From: "Dan Morris dbmorris315@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070 List Service 070 List Service <070@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [070] Intentional Interference on 40m

 
Yep, I think so.  Just some plain ole interference.  Guess he has got nothing better to do!!

Dan Morris  KZ3T





On Mar 9, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


RTTY/Data allowed from 7000  to 7100  Mhz. per  FCC 97:305

Someone doesn't know the rules.

Jerry  N9AVY





From: "Stephen Melachrinos w3hf@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@... 
Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [070] Intentional Interference on 40m

 
Sounds like someone needs to learn the difference between a VOLUNTARY band plan (http://www.arrl.org/band-plan) and FCC rules (http://www.arrl.org/frequency-allocations).

Steve
W3HF 
 
 
On 03/09/17, n7we1980@... [070]<070@...> wrote:
 


00:35 UTC 3/10/2017.  I'm seeing a station repeatedly intentionally interfere with stations transmitting PSK31 between 7.070 and 7.072.  He transmits:

7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
You are operating out of data band!!
I will be sending a repo.  into ARRL Bureu
-
right on top of stations in QSOs and stations calling CQ.  He FAILS to identify.  With a vertical, I have no way of getting an azimuth on him.

Anyone else seeing this behavior?

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602










Re: Intentional Interference on 40m

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Sorry, I tried calling you but he blocked us both I guess but I did get my
QSO for today.  Thanks

Dan Morris  KZ3T





On Mar 9, 2017, at 8:13 PM, n7we1980@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

OK Don-  Saw you got your 365 so that is good.  

Yes Steve....he also hasn't grasp the rules regarding intentional interference and failure to ID.  

Definitely looks to be domestic from signal strength, but he also worked over a couple of Cuban stations while I was monitoring.

Go figure.

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602

now QRT



Re: Intentional Interference on 40m

Rick - N7WE
 

OK Don-  Saw you got your 365 so that is good. 

Yes Steve....he also hasn't grasp the rules regarding intentional interference and failure to ID. 

Definitely looks to be domestic from signal strength, but he also worked over a couple of Cuban stations while I was monitoring.

Go figure.

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602

now QRT


Re: Intentional Interference on 40m

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Yep, I think so.  Just some plain ole interference.  Guess he has got nothing better to do!!

Dan Morris  KZ3T





On Mar 9, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


RTTY/Data allowed from 7000  to 7100  Mhz. per  FCC 97:305

Someone doesn't know the rules.

Jerry  N9AVY





From: "Stephen Melachrinos w3hf@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@... 
Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [070] Intentional Interference on 40m

 
Sounds like someone needs to learn the difference between a VOLUNTARY band plan (http://www.arrl.org/band-plan) and FCC rules (http://www.arrl.org/frequency-allocations).

Steve
W3HF 
 
 
On 03/09/17, n7we1980@... [070]<070@...> wrote:
 


00:35 UTC 3/10/2017.  I'm seeing a station repeatedly intentionally interfere with stations transmitting PSK31 between 7.070 and 7.072.  He transmits:

7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
You are operating out of data band!!
I will be sending a repo.  into ARRL Bureu
-
right on top of stations in QSOs and stations calling CQ.  He FAILS to identify.  With a vertical, I have no way of getting an azimuth on him.

Anyone else seeing this behavior?

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602








Re: Intentional Interference on 40m

Jerry N9AVY
 

RTTY/Data allowed from 7000  to 7100  Mhz. per  FCC 97:305

Someone doesn't know the rules.

Jerry  N9AVY





From: "Stephen Melachrinos w3hf@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [070] Intentional Interference on 40m

 
Sounds like someone needs to learn the difference between a VOLUNTARY band plan (http://www.arrl.org/band-plan) and FCC rules (http://www.arrl.org/frequency-allocations).

Steve
W3HF 
 
 
On 03/09/17, n7we1980@... [070]<070@...> wrote:
 


00:35 UTC 3/10/2017.  I'm seeing a station repeatedly intentionally interfere with stations transmitting PSK31 between 7.070 and 7.072.  He transmits:

7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
You are operating out of data band!!
I will be sending a repo.  into ARRL Bureu
-
right on top of stations in QSOs and stations calling CQ.  He FAILS to identify.  With a vertical, I have no way of getting an azimuth on him.

Anyone else seeing this behavior?

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602






Re: Intentional Interference on 40m

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Rick - I tried to answer you but I think he blocked us

Dan Morris  KZ3T





On Mar 9, 2017, at 7:52 PM, n7we1980@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

Dan -
Did you get a QSO?  I'm standing by on 40m and looking for you if you still need a contact.

Rick - N7WE



Re: Intentional Interference on 40m

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Yea, whoever it is just tried to break up a QSO I just had with KF5FNP and was trying to block both of us but we managed to get the QSO in okay.

Dan Morris  KZ3T





On Mar 9, 2017, at 7:59 PM, Stephen Melachrinos w3hf@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


Sounds like someone needs to learn the difference between a VOLUNTARY band plan (http://www.arrl.org/band-plan) and FCC rules (http://www.arrl.org/frequency-allocations).

Steve
W3HF 
 
 
On 03/09/17, n7we1980@... [070]<070@...> wrote:
 


00:35 UTC 3/10/2017.  I'm seeing a station repeatedly intentionally interfere with stations transmitting PSK31 between 7.070 and 7.072.  He transmits:

7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
You are operating out of data band!!
I will be sending a repo.  into ARRL Bureu
-
right on top of stations in QSOs and stations calling CQ.  He FAILS to identify.  With a vertical, I have no way of getting an azimuth on him.

Anyone else seeing this behavior?

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602







Re: Intentional Interference on 40m

Steve W3HF
 

Sounds like someone needs to learn the difference between a VOLUNTARY band plan (http://www.arrl.org/band-plan) and FCC rules (http://www.arrl.org/frequency-allocations).

Steve
W3HF 
 
 
On 03/09/17, n7we1980@... [070]<070@...> wrote:
 


00:35 UTC 3/10/2017.  I'm seeing a station repeatedly intentionally interfere with stations transmitting PSK31 between 7.070 and 7.072.  He transmits:

7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
You are operating out of data band!!
I will be sending a repo.  into ARRL Bureu
-
right on top of stations in QSOs and stations calling CQ.  He FAILS to identify.  With a vertical, I have no way of getting an azimuth on him.

Anyone else seeing this behavior?

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602





Re: Interference

Joe Cook
 

I had one blowing up the 40m JT 65 freq the other night with RTTY. I think it was a 6 station but i can't remember for sure  

Joe- KG5KRZ

On Mar 9, 2017 6:52 PM, "Dan Morris dbmorris315@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:
 

Huh == that guy just came across to me and told me I was operating out of band and then gave the following:
7.080 - 7.125 RTTY/Data and repeated that several times and of course he did not identify himself but he had a fairly strong signal — I’m on 7071.5

Dan Morris KZ3T 070-1065
dbmorris315@...



Re: Intentional Interference on 40m

Rick - N7WE
 

Dan -
Did you get a QSO?  I'm standing by on 40m and looking for you if you still need a contact.

Rick - N7WE


Interference

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Huh == that guy just came across to me and told me I was operating out of band and then gave the following:
7.080 - 7.125 RTTY/Data and repeated that several times and of course he did not identify himself but he had a fairly strong signal — I’m on 7071.5

Dan Morris KZ3T 070-1065
dbmorris315@...


Re: Intentional Interference on 40m

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Rick - I just saw him transmit right after KC9WPS transmitted and was signing off.  Not sure who he was talking
to but then I saw the station come up and gave a call if KI4PAQ which is a valid call near my QTH … I thought that
was pretty odd of what he was stating!!!

I’m trying to get my 10 mar contact for today!!

Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065






On Mar 9, 2017, at 7:42 PM, n7we1980@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

00:35 UTC 3/10/2017.  I'm seeing a station repeatedly intentionally interfere with stations transmitting PSK31 between 7.070 and 7.072.  He transmits:

7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
You are operating out of data band!!
I will be sending a repo.  into ARRL Bureu
-
right on top of stations in QSOs and stations calling CQ.  He FAILS to identify.  With a vertical, I have no way of getting an azimuth on him.

Anyone else seeing this behavior?

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602





Intentional Interference on 40m

Rick - N7WE
 

00:35 UTC 3/10/2017.  I'm seeing a station repeatedly intentionally interfere with stations transmitting PSK31 between 7.070 and 7.072.  He transmits:

7.Ø8Ø-7.125 RTTY/Data
You are operating out of data band!!
I will be sending a repo.  into ARRL Bureu
-
right on top of stations in QSOs and stations calling CQ.  He FAILS to identify.  With a vertical, I have no way of getting an azimuth on him.

Anyone else seeing this behavior?

Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602



Re: Stickers

Matthew King - KK4CPS <mrk.twg@...>
 

Ding-ding-ding! You win the prize, Steve!

Anything with the 12/30/1899 MAILED DATE is a non-mailed award, such as the 24x7.  

For those that aren't aware, you can check your 24x7 status (and see what slots you need to work) here:  http://hamclubs.info/070-checker/24x7/

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Stephen Melachrinos w3hf@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

I'm just curious about those mailing dates for the 24x7 variants!! (I'm guessing that's an indicator for a downloaded certificate only.)

Steve
W3HF 
 
On 03/08/17, Matthew King - KK4CPS mrk.twg@... [070]<070@...> wrote:
 


Hey, Randy - looks like you do have some more coming that your attained just after the 12/31/2016 cutoff. Here's your little slice of the database:

Inline image 1

As you can see from the MAILED_DATE field, most of yours were recently sent out. 

The ones in yellow will come to you in the spring mailing, probably in late May.

Hope that answers your question!

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:24 AM, randy true w4rttrandy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

I got a pack of stickers the other day, but there are some not included. Are there more shipments coming?


Randy

W4RTT






Re: Stickers

Steve W3HF
 

I'm just curious about those mailing dates for the 24x7 variants!! (I'm guessing that's an indicator for a downloaded certificate only.)

Steve
W3HF 
 
On 03/08/17, Matthew King - KK4CPS mrk.twg@... [070]<070@...> wrote:
 


Hey, Randy - looks like you do have some more coming that your attained just after the 12/31/2016 cutoff. Here's your little slice of the database:

Inline image 1

As you can see from the MAILED_DATE field, most of yours were recently sent out. 

The ones in yellow will come to you in the spring mailing, probably in late May.

Hope that answers your question!

73

Matt King
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director


On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:24 AM, randy true w4rttrandy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

I got a pack of stickers the other day, but there are some not included. Are there more shipments coming?


Randy

W4RTT