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Re: Why not QSL?

Rick - N7WE
 

I've found that getting confirming QSLs when you are working on awards can be very frustrating.  This is my way of dealing with it.  YMMV.

It begins with the belief that life is divided into three parts:  Things you can control, things you can't control but can influence, and things you can neither control nor influence.  Happiness in life depends on knowing which is which.

While struggling to get DXCC (all PSK31) I used emails to solicit missing LoTW confirmations.  I was careful to only email those who indicated they used LoTW and approached it with the: "Here is my log info.  Do I have it right?"  Sometimes I got the QSL and sometimes I didn't.  That was trying to "influence" what I couldn't control.

The only thing I can control is me.  And sometimes I'm not to good at that!  Hi hi!  So I choose to upload everything in my log on a regular basis.  LoTW, eQSL, and QRZ.  I don't log incomplete QSOs.  And I try to remember even though I log it as a completed QSO on my end, the other guy may have a different experience.

My parents used to tell me "Anything worth having is worth waiting for."  I think that's right.  As to DXCC-Digital, the journey was much more enjoyable than actually having it.

Rick - N7WE
Re: Why not QSL?

David, K9DWR
 

It has not been uncommon for me to get 2013 QSLs in LoTW recently. In some cases, I think it’s people that are slow to figure things out. Setting up TQSL is not trivial; I have had to hand-hold pretty much everyone in my area through the process to get them set up. eQSL is easier, but the computer seems to be intimidating for a lot of folks. Granted, that should be less of an issue for people that use PSK, but it’s still a real factor.

Whether rumor or not, I have also heard many people don’t use LoTW because they don’t support ARRL or its political views. I find that somewhat odd since they are pretty much the only voice in Washington that is _for_ our hobby. Like it or not, they are the best (i.e., only) representation we have.

—
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...

On Jan 30, 2017, at 10:10, WP4DT-JOSE OSUBA wp4dt@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


That happens with lots of frequencies....In this year 2017 they are confirming in the log In my year 2010

incredible
Re: Why not QSL?

WP4DT-JOSE OSUBA
 

That happens with lots of frequencies....In this year 2017 they are confirming in the log In my year 2010

incredible 

greeting friends 73

JOSE OSUBA  WP4DT@...
ARRL INSTRUCTOR
COORDINATOR DE EVENTS AREA OESTE


De: 070@... <070@...> en nombre de 'John Etling - K3JAE' john@... [070] <070@...>
Enviado: lunes, 30 de enero de 2017 11:07 a.m.
Para: 070@...
Asunto: RE: [070] Why not QSL?
 
 

The issues that bother me the most is:

 

  1. If you make a SKED with someone in the LotW room, it is assumed that by them also being there that they are looking for an LotW confirmation from a state or DXCC. And if a SKED is agreed upon and completed, it seems the next thing a person should do it upload it to LotW (or where ever) knowing full well the reason a sked was made with that particular station. It just seems cold and mean-spirited not to complete the agreement, if you will. If that contact is made, it is pitiful that they would not upload that confirmation knowing that person is waiting for it.
  2. As previously noted, most software packages (like DXLabs, and the hated HRD to name a few) automatically upload the confirmation as soon as you hit log… the hardest thing is to set up your credentials initially in the software. Once done, it is self-containing... nothing more a person needs to do.
  3. I still feel people are worried LotW and eQSL charges to use their services. Neither charge a fee to upload QSL confirmations. Eqsl does charge a fee if you want to use a custom card… but so long as a person goes through the authentication procedures, one becomes authenticated and every confirmation from an authenticated user counts towards their awards, which, luckily most eQSL users are authenticated. I could care less that the card is a “cookie cutter” card from eQSL… All I am looking for is the confirmation.
  4. Every QSO I make is uploaded to LotW, eQSL, HRDLog, ClubLog and QRZ and all I do is literally hit LOG and all the confirmations are sent within a few seconds, save LotW which does require me to send them via TQSL… again 1 simple extra step.

I have made at least 5 IA contacts last 2 years on 20m PSK alone… not one has confirmed in ANY of the aforementioned QSL places. Ironically, the JT users from IA have sent confirmations. I have been waiting for IA to confirm on 20m for now three years… the ONLY state I need to get 20m PSK WAS (both with eQSL and LotW… and the only band I do not have WAS on.

 

 

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 20:19
To: PODXS 070 Club <070@...>
Subject: Re: [070] Why not QSL?

 

 

I can't explain it either. I love receiving and giving QSL cards. Cards are the final courtesy of a contact. I was like you, avid SWLer during my teens, came back last 22 years as a ham. Big difference in last few years of amateur radio.  The culture has changed - not sure for the best either. As an "old" fuddy duddy ham, in the past we never discussed (1) politics, (2) religion, and (3) sex. Now?? Geez, get on 80 meters and listen to all that trash! Quickly becoming CB radio in my opinion.

73 de Curt, K3URT, 100% verifier!

 

On Jan 29, 2017, at 8:54 PM, oldjavadrinker@... [070] <070@...> wrote:



The last topic of discussion delved into the area of QSL'ing a bit. I didn't want to continue that string but it does make me want to vent a little bit. Years ago as a novice in the 70's the only QSL'ing we did was those wonderful cards we hung up all over the shack. I got out of the hobby for many years after I retired from Army and Law Enforcement I jumped back into hamming in 2014.

Wow, now we have all sorts of methods of QSL'ing. We have bureau's , LoTW, eQSL, HRDnet, etc etc...and oh by the way, old faithful, USPS QSL cards.  With all these methods it would seem so easy to QSL a contact...wouldn't it?  I mean most logging programs can actually upload it to the site automatically or at least with a click of the mouse.

So why am I at LoTW 49% QSL rate, eQSL at 63%, and a handful of QSL cards. The cards, I understand, postage, time, whatever. But when all one has to do is click a mouse to sent TNX for QSO, I don't understand.
Some operators (ME), have 6 or 7 QSO's from MA, no QSL, NM 4, no QSL...shall I go on? 

You almost have to work your WAS two times to get enough QSL's to confirm your award.  I QSL 100% to LoTW and eQSL, and even QRZ and it is not a big effort or inconvenience.  Anyway, I think we deserve to do better for each other. You never know who needs that one QSO to complete an award.

Nothing in this is directed at any one particular ham, club, or group. It is just a little rant on a Sunday night from a part time curmudgeon. :).

Happy QSL'ing all,

73 Steve  
KM4FLF/VE3

 
Re: Why not QSL?

John Etling
 

The issues that bother me the most is:

 

  1. If you make a SKED with someone in the LotW room, it is assumed that by them also being there that they are looking for an LotW confirmation from a state or DXCC. And if a SKED is agreed upon and completed, it seems the next thing a person should do it upload it to LotW (or where ever) knowing full well the reason a sked was made with that particular station. It just seems cold and mean-spirited not to complete the agreement, if you will. If that contact is made, it is pitiful that they would not upload that confirmation knowing that person is waiting for it.
  2. As previously noted, most software packages (like DXLabs, and the hated HRD to name a few) automatically upload the confirmation as soon as you hit log… the hardest thing is to set up your credentials initially in the software. Once done, it is self-containing... nothing more a person needs to do.
  3. I still feel people are worried LotW and eQSL charges to use their services. Neither charge a fee to upload QSL confirmations. Eqsl does charge a fee if you want to use a custom card… but so long as a person goes through the authentication procedures, one becomes authenticated and every confirmation from an authenticated user counts towards their awards, which, luckily most eQSL users are authenticated. I could care less that the card is a “cookie cutter” card from eQSL… All I am looking for is the confirmation.
  4. Every QSO I make is uploaded to LotW, eQSL, HRDLog, ClubLog and QRZ and all I do is literally hit LOG and all the confirmations are sent within a few seconds, save LotW which does require me to send them via TQSL… again 1 simple extra step.

I have made at least 5 IA contacts last 2 years on 20m PSK alone… not one has confirmed in ANY of the aforementioned QSL places. Ironically, the JT users from IA have sent confirmations. I have been waiting for IA to confirm on 20m for now three years… the ONLY state I need to get 20m PSK WAS (both with eQSL and LotW… and the only band I do not have WAS on.

 

 

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 20:19
To: PODXS 070 Club <070@...>
Subject: Re: [070] Why not QSL?

 

 

I can't explain it either. I love receiving and giving QSL cards. Cards are the final courtesy of a contact. I was like you, avid SWLer during my teens, came back last 22 years as a ham. Big difference in last few years of amateur radio.  The culture has changed - not sure for the best either. As an "old" fuddy duddy ham, in the past we never discussed (1) politics, (2) religion, and (3) sex. Now?? Geez, get on 80 meters and listen to all that trash! Quickly becoming CB radio in my opinion.

73 de Curt, K3URT, 100% verifier!

 

On Jan 29, 2017, at 8:54 PM, oldjavadrinker@... [070] <070@...> wrote:



The last topic of discussion delved into the area of QSL'ing a bit. I didn't want to continue that string but it does make me want to vent a little bit. Years ago as a novice in the 70's the only QSL'ing we did was those wonderful cards we hung up all over the shack. I got out of the hobby for many years after I retired from Army and Law Enforcement I jumped back into hamming in 2014.

Wow, now we have all sorts of methods of QSL'ing. We have bureau's , LoTW, eQSL, HRDnet, etc etc...and oh by the way, old faithful, USPS QSL cards.  With all these methods it would seem so easy to QSL a contact...wouldn't it?  I mean most logging programs can actually upload it to the site automatically or at least with a click of the mouse.

So why am I at LoTW 49% QSL rate, eQSL at 63%, and a handful of QSL cards. The cards, I understand, postage, time, whatever. But when all one has to do is click a mouse to sent TNX for QSO, I don't understand.
Some operators (ME), have 6 or 7 QSO's from MA, no QSL, NM 4, no QSL...shall I go on? 

You almost have to work your WAS two times to get enough QSL's to confirm your award.  I QSL 100% to LoTW and eQSL, and even QRZ and it is not a big effort or inconvenience.  Anyway, I think we deserve to do better for each other. You never know who needs that one QSO to complete an award.

Nothing in this is directed at any one particular ham, club, or group. It is just a little rant on a Sunday night from a part time curmudgeon. :).

Happy QSL'ing all,

73 Steve  
KM4FLF/VE3

 
Re: Why not QSL?

Joseph Miller <kj8o.ham@...>
 

Hi Jerry and the group,

A large number of QSL's that I reject on eQSL are for outdated call signs. KZ#ZZZ upgrades to K#ZZZ, then uploads his entire logbook to both the new and the old call sign. If I make a contact with K#ZZZ, I will confirm it, everything else gets rejected. Note, I get this a lot with European hams where many countries allow a ham to legally have more than one call sign. --- I will research these and confirm accordingly depending on the mood I'm in at the time....

VY 73 de Joe KJ8O




On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 9:21 AM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Eqsl's that don't match your logs are usually an error of some sort such as wrong time/date, wrong/mistaken call, partial QSO,  or as Eqsl once stated there are those out there who want to get WAS/DXCC  without getting on the air.  Have had a few in the past.

Jerry  N9AVY  #454



From: "Miketar miketar@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 8:10 AM
Subject: [070] Re: Why not QSL?

 
Excellent post, I am waiting for one state that I worked, sent my eqsl (they do use it) but nothing sent back. It is so easy now to respond but why don't they? My Fldigi auto logs to N3FJP and Eqsl gets sent automatically. I still have to manually enter psk31 into QRZ and send LOTW monthly. My WSJT-x auto logs into all three and sends eqsl automatically. Curiously, I periodically will get an eqsl that I have no log entry for. I don't log incomplete qso's, so I wonder if that is what they are.
Thanks all, Mike T., WB2YJS

Sent from my iPad





--
Joe Miller, KJ8O
Affiliated Club Coordinator
ARRL Michigan Section
Re: Why not QSL?

Paula K7PAX #1739
 

Mike, I get  a fair number of eQSLs that aren’t in my log also. Like you, I do not log incomplete QSOs, and I believe that is what most are.

 

Paula K7PAX

 

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 06:10
To: 070@...
Subject: [070] Re: Why not QSL?

 

 

Excellent post, I am waiting for one state that I worked, sent my eqsl (they do use it) but nothing sent back. It is so easy now to respond but why don't they? My Fldigi auto logs to N3FJP and Eqsl gets sent automatically. I still have to manually enter psk31 into QRZ and send LOTW monthly. My WSJT-x auto logs into all three and sends eqsl automatically. Curiously, I periodically will get an eqsl that I have no log entry for. I don't log incomplete qso's, so I wonder if that is what they are.
Thanks all, Mike T., WB2YJS

Sent from my iPad
Re: Another suggestion for non QSLs

David Westbrook
 

For those using dxlabs,  dxview has a built in feature to show last lotw upload, and eqsl AG membership.
(Based on a database, not live calll, but good indicator).
And dxkeeper and spotcollector can color code based on lotw/eqsl, and you define lotw cutoff year.

Kj4izw

On Jan 29, 2017 23:09, "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:
 


Got this one from a friend who is big DXer and a  CPA (ret.) who has been tracking QSL percentages over the years.






"also go to the LOTW page and see if and when the station they worked last uploaded.  Click on Find a Call:"
 
Re: Why not QSL?

Jerry N9AVY
 

Eqsl's that don't match your logs are usually an error of some sort such as wrong time/date, wrong/mistaken call, partial QSO,  or as Eqsl once stated there are those out there who want to get WAS/DXCC  without getting on the air.  Have had a few in the past.

Jerry  N9AVY  #454



From: "Miketar miketar@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 8:10 AM
Subject: [070] Re: Why not QSL?

 
Excellent post, I am waiting for one state that I worked, sent my eqsl (they do use it) but nothing sent back. It is so easy now to respond but why don't they? My Fldigi auto logs to N3FJP and Eqsl gets sent automatically. I still have to manually enter psk31 into QRZ and send LOTW monthly. My WSJT-x auto logs into all three and sends eqsl automatically. Curiously, I periodically will get an eqsl that I have no log entry for. I don't log incomplete qso's, so I wonder if that is what they are.
Thanks all, Mike T., WB2YJS

Sent from my iPad
Re: Why not QSL?

Mike Tarnowsky
 

Excellent post, I am waiting for one state that I worked, sent my eqsl (they do use it) but nothing sent back. It is so easy now to respond but why don't they? My Fldigi auto logs to N3FJP and Eqsl gets sent automatically. I still have to manually enter psk31 into QRZ and send LOTW monthly. My WSJT-x auto logs into all three and sends eqsl automatically. Curiously, I periodically will get an eqsl that I have no log entry for. I don't log incomplete qso's, so I wonder if that is what they are.
Thanks all, Mike T., WB2YJS

Sent from my iPad
Re: Worked All States

ljl2002@att.net
 

Bill,
I'm usually on 20m so I can get you CT.
I'll look for your call.
73
Joe
KA1PPV  #1482


On Sunday, January 29, 2017 8:10 AM, "'Bill - K3ABE' k3abe@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:


 
Hello everyone, wow just looking at my logbook and it looks like I need 7 more states for the WAS Award. I need the following AK, CT, ID, MD, MT, UT and HI. I generally work 20 meters as that is my best setup. If anyone can help that would be awesome, if not I will keep my eyes on the waterfall and sooner or later will complete it, I should be on at about 1330Z today, 1/29/17 on 20 meters around 14.070, until then 73’s
 
K3ABE - Bill
Another suggestion for non QSLs

Jerry N9AVY
 


Got this one from a friend who is big DXer and a  CPA (ret.) who has been tracking QSL percentages over the years.






"also go to the LOTW page and see if and when the station they worked last uploaded.  Click on Find a Call:"
 
Re: Why not QSL?

Jerry N9AVY
 

Oops !  Error in calculating percentage   ... not 58%, but more like 41 %.  

Was absent the day we had math in school, hi !

Jerry N9AVY #454

P.S.  -- Heard most people get around 33% QSLs.


From: "oldjavadrinker@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 7:54 PM
Subject: [070] Why not QSL?

 
The last topic of discussion delved into the area of QSL'ing a bit. I didn't want to continue that string but it does make me want to vent a little bit. Years ago as a novice in the 70's the only QSL'ing we did was those wonderful cards we hung up all over the shack. I got out of the hobby for many years after I retired from Army and Law Enforcement I jumped back into hamming in 2014.

Wow, now we have all sorts of methods of QSL'ing. We have bureau's , LoTW, eQSL, HRDnet, etc etc...and oh by the way, old faithful, USPS QSL cards.  With all these methods it would seem so easy to QSL a contact...wouldn't it?  I mean most logging programs can actually upload it to the site automatically or at least with a click of the mouse.

So why am I at LoTW 49% QSL rate, eQSL at 63%, and a handful of QSL cards. The cards, I understand, postage, time, whatever. But when all one has to do is click a mouse to sent TNX for QSO, I don't understand.
Some operators (ME), have 6 or 7 QSO's from MA, no QSL, NM 4, no QSL...shall I go on?

You almost have to work your WAS two times to get enough QSL's to confirm your award.  I QSL 100% to LoTW and eQSL, and even QRZ and it is not a big effort or inconvenience.  Anyway, I think we deserve to do better for each other. You never know who needs that one QSO to complete an award.

Nothing in this is directed at any one particular ham, club, or group. It is just a little rant on a Sunday night from a part time curmudgeon. :).

Happy QSL'ing all,

73 Steve 
KM4FLF/VE3
Re: Why not QSL?

Jerry N9AVY
 

10-4  Curt !!!         


From: "Curtis D Sanders k3urt@... [070]" <070@...>
To: PODXS 070 Club <070@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [070] Why not QSL?

 
I can't explain it either. I love receiving and giving QSL cards. Cards are the final courtesy of a contact. I was like you, avid SWLer during my teens, came back last 22 years as a ham. Big difference in last few years of amateur radio.  The culture has changed - not sure for the best either. As an "old" fuddy duddy ham, in the past we never discussed (1) politics, (2) religion, and (3) sex. Now?? Geez, get on 80 meters and listen to all that trash! Quickly becoming CB radio in my opinion.
73 de Curt, K3URT, 100% verifier!

On Jan 29, 2017, at 8:54 PM, oldjavadrinker@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

The last topic of discussion delved into the area of QSL'ing a bit. I didn't want to continue that string but it does make me want to vent a little bit. Years ago as a novice in the 70's the only QSL'ing we did was those wonderful cards we hung up all over the shack. I got out of the hobby for many years after I retired from Army and Law Enforcement I jumped back into hamming in 2014.

Wow, now we have all sorts of methods of QSL'ing. We have bureau's , LoTW, eQSL, HRDnet, etc etc...and oh by the way, old faithful, USPS QSL cards.  With all these methods it would seem so easy to QSL a contact...wouldn't it?  I mean most logging programs can actually upload it to the site automatically or at least with a click of the mouse.

So why am I at LoTW 49% QSL rate, eQSL at 63%, and a han! dful of QSL cards. The cards, I understand, postage, time, whatever. But when all one has to do is click a mouse to sent TNX for QSO, I don't understand.
Some operators (ME), have 6 or 7 QSO's from MA, no QSL, NM 4, no QSL...shall I go on? 

You almost have to work your WAS two times to get enough QSL's to confirm your award.  I QSL 100% to LoTW and eQSL, and even QRZ and it is not a big effort or inconvenience.  Anyway, I think we deserve to do better for each other. You never know who needs that one QSO to complete an award.

Nothing in this is directed at any one particular ham, club, or group. It is just a little rant on a Sunday night from a part time curmudgeon. :).

Happy QSL'ing all,

73 Steve  
KM4FLF/VE3
Re: Why not QSL?

Jerry N9AVY
 

Steve:

Like to share with you & others what I found after 40 years in ham radio. 

LoTW is my main QSL program and out 0f 26840 Q's uploaded, only about 58%  have QSLed.  This includes SSB, CW, RTTY and PSK31 and maybe some other digital modes.

On Eqsl the percentage will be much lower with only about 10931 Q's there. 

What I have noticed and heard from fellow DXers is that RTTY and CW seem to have a higher percentage of returns.

In my Novice days in late 70's ,  QSLs with fellow Novices were few and far between. May have worked WAS, but many who said they'd QSL never did.

With 336  countries confirmed, I've spent a small fortune on shipping QSLs with return postage.  Yes, lost a bunch of "green stamps"  (dollar bills and fives), too.  Some countries took multiple mailings. These days with all the postage increases worldwide, a simple DXCC by mail would be over $500 if you figure postage, return postage, envelopes, and cost of QSL cards.

Thankfully, we have sites like LoTW , Eqsl and other which are on the net and QSLing is a lot simpler.  This has made it easier for all of us.  Yet there seems to be those stations who won't QSL for some reason. Why, I don't know ?

All any of us can do is to QSL via whatever we use and hope the other guy answers. I agree with you that sending a confirmation is so easy "... even a caveman can do it..." !

This is aimed at no one... just the deadbeats who don't QSL even though their QRZ page says they do. (Might also point out that there are certain DX stations who make a business by selling QSLs , yes, they ask for $5 per card and sometimes they have the card sent though a U.S. address , adding insult to injury.)

Jerry  N9AVY   #454

From: "oldjavadrinker@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 7:54 PM
Subject: [070] Why not QSL?

 
The last topic of discussion delved into the area of QSL'ing a bit. I didn't want to continue that string but it does make me want to vent a little bit. Years ago as a novice in the 70's the only QSL'ing we did was those wonderful cards we hung up all over the shack. I got out of the hobby for many years after I retired from Army and Law Enforcement I jumped back into hamming in 2014.

Wow, now we have all sorts of methods of QSL'ing. We have bureau's , LoTW, eQSL, HRDnet, etc etc...and oh by the way, old faithful, USPS QSL cards.  With all these methods it would seem so easy to QSL a contact...wouldn't it?  I mean most logging programs can actually upload it to the site automatically or at least with a click of the mouse.

So why am I at LoTW 49% QSL rate, eQSL at 63%, and a handful of QSL cards. The cards, I understand, postage, time, whatever. But when all one has to do is click a mouse to sent TNX for QSO, I don't understand.
Some operators (ME), have 6 or 7 QSO's from MA, no QSL, NM 4, no QSL...shall I go on?

You almost have to work your WAS two times to get enough QSL's to confirm your award.  I QSL 100% to LoTW and eQSL, and even QRZ and it is not a big effort or inconvenience.  Anyway, I think we deserve to do better for each other. You never know who needs that one QSO to complete an award.

Nothing in this is directed at any one particular ham, club, or group. It is just a little rant on a Sunday night from a part time curmudgeon. :).

Happy QSL'ing all,

73 Steve 
KM4FLF/VE3
Re: Why not QSL?

Curt Sanders
 

I can't explain it either. I love receiving and giving QSL cards. Cards are the final courtesy of a contact. I was like you, avid SWLer during my teens, came back last 22 years as a ham. Big difference in last few years of amateur radio.  The culture has changed - not sure for the best either. As an "old" fuddy duddy ham, in the past we never discussed (1) politics, (2) religion, and (3) sex. Now?? Geez, get on 80 meters and listen to all that trash! Quickly becoming CB radio in my opinion.
73 de Curt, K3URT, 100% verifier!

On Jan 29, 2017, at 8:54 PM, oldjavadrinker@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

The last topic of discussion delved into the area of QSL'ing a bit. I didn't want to continue that string but it does make me want to vent a little bit. Years ago as a novice in the 70's the only QSL'ing we did was those wonderful cards we hung up all over the shack. I got out of the hobby for many years after I retired from Army and Law Enforcement I jumped back into hamming in 2014.

Wow, now we have all sorts of methods of QSL'ing. We have bureau's , LoTW, eQSL, HRDnet, etc etc...and oh by the way, old faithful, USPS QSL cards.  With all these methods it would seem so easy to QSL a contact...wouldn't it?  I mean most logging programs can actually upload it to the site automatically or at least with a click of the mouse.

So why am I at LoTW 49% QSL rate, eQSL at 63%, and a handful of QSL cards. The cards, I understand, postage, time, whatever. But when all one has to do is click a mouse to sent TNX for QSO, I don't understand.
Some operators (ME), have 6 or 7 QSO's from MA, no QSL, NM 4, no QSL...shall I go on? 

You almost have to work your WAS two times to get enough QSL's to confirm your award.  I QSL 100% to LoTW and eQSL, and even QRZ and it is not a big effort or inconvenience.  Anyway, I think we deserve to do better for each other. You never know who needs that one QSO to complete an award.

Nothing in this is directed at any one particular ham, club, or group. It is just a little rant on a Sunday night from a part time curmudgeon. :).

Happy QSL'ing all,

73 Steve  
KM4FLF/VE3
Why not QSL?

Steve VA3FLF/KM4FLF
 

The last topic of discussion delved into the area of QSL'ing a bit. I didn't want to continue that string but it does make me want to vent a little bit. Years ago as a novice in the 70's the only QSL'ing we did was those wonderful cards we hung up all over the shack. I got out of the hobby for many years after I retired from Army and Law Enforcement I jumped back into hamming in 2014.

Wow, now we have all sorts of methods of QSL'ing. We have bureau's , LoTW, eQSL, HRDnet, etc etc...and oh by the way, old faithful, USPS QSL cards.  With all these methods it would seem so easy to QSL a contact...wouldn't it?  I mean most logging programs can actually upload it to the site automatically or at least with a click of the mouse.

So why am I at LoTW 49% QSL rate, eQSL at 63%, and a handful of QSL cards. The cards, I understand, postage, time, whatever. But when all one has to do is click a mouse to sent TNX for QSO, I don't understand.
Some operators (ME), have 6 or 7 QSO's from MA, no QSL, NM 4, no QSL...shall I go on?

You almost have to work your WAS two times to get enough QSL's to confirm your award.  I QSL 100% to LoTW and eQSL, and even QRZ and it is not a big effort or inconvenience.  Anyway, I think we deserve to do better for each other. You never know who needs that one QSO to complete an award.

Nothing in this is directed at any one particular ham, club, or group. It is just a little rant on a Sunday night from a part time curmudgeon. :).

Happy QSL'ing all,

73 Steve 
KM4FLF/VE3
Re: awards

Matthew King - KK4CPS <mrk.twg@...>
 

Ah, at least you have them in the log. Have you tried sending them a polite email with the QSO details asking for a LOTW confirmation?  Maybe they have your call slightly wrong in the log or something like that. 

You'd at least know, that way, that you are actually IN the log, and you can cross the LOTW bridge from there.

Good luck!

73


Matthew King

AK4MK 070 #1708

PODXS 070 Club Executive Director




On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 5:13 PM, 'John Etling - K3JAE' john@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Matt et al;

 

I have plenty of IA calls in the log… problem is not one of them has confirmed in digital mode (PSK31) primarily. I have been waiting over a year for any one of the IA calls to send in their LotW confirmation, some of those who claim to upload, yet none has been done so as of yet.

 

And before Jerry reminds me… I know not everyone uploads daily or even once a year but still if you sked a contact and actually complete it would you not think they would upload since that is a specific request and primary reason why the Sked pages exists?

 

I’m Just Sayin’

73 de K3JAE

 

John

 

 

 

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 16:02
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] awards

 

 

John - here's the 25 most recent Iowa contacts in our database. As you can see, it's been quite active out that way so far this year, even. I personally have KR0ES and N0GES in my log and see them from time to time. I have 10 Iowa calls since June of 2013, with 4 last year, including N0GES. As David suggested, try hamspots.net and maybe set up a sked on K3UK's site (http://www.obriensweb.com/sked/index.php?board=digitalradio) 

 

Speaking of that site, I just noticed a message on there that says the SKED PAGE will end APRIL 2017. That's unfortunate, but that's what seems to be happening.

 

Good luck!

 

73

 

Matthew King

AK4MK 070 #1708

PODXS 070 Club Executive Director

 

 

 

W0ARC

80M

PSK31

20170129

112647

K

IA

4

EN41DH

NA

KE0LFX

40M

PSK31

20170126

001447

K

IA

5

EN41EX

NA

K0ARM

20M

PSK31

20170124

213456

K

IA

5

EN31AN

NA

AD0AR

40M

PSK31

20170124

0047

K

IA

4

EN41FT

NA

K0FBV

20M

PSK31

20170122

202500

K

IA

4

EN41RN

NA

AD0AR

40M

PSK31

20170122

155756

K

IA

5

EN41FT

NA

K2DSW

40M

PSK31

20170121

234600

K

IA

4

EN31FG

North America

K2DSW

20M

PSK31

20170121

160628

K

IA

4

EN31FG

NA

K2DSW

80M

PSK31

20170121

050154

K

IA

5

EN31FG

NA

K2DSW

40M

PSK31

20170120

223203

K

IA

5

EN31FG

NA

KE0LFX/AG

40M

PSK31

20170120

222404

K

IA

5

EN41EX

NA

KE0LFX/AG

40M

PSK31

20170120

215741

K

IA

5

EN41EX

NA

KR0ES

40M

PSK31

20170119

045600

K

IA

5

EN31OI

North America

KR0ES

20M

PSK31

20170118

180300

K

IA

4

EN31OI

NA

KØFBV

40M

PSK31

20170117

013235

K

IA

5

EN41RN

NA

W0GRY

40M

PSK31

20170114

214952

K

IA

5

EN42PL

NA

KC0MS

40M

PSK31

20170114

004341

K

IA

5

EN31FO

NA

K2DSW

40M

PSK31

20170113

233400

K

IA

EN31FG

NA

K2DSW

80M

PSK31

20170113

035300

K

IA

EN31FG

NA

K0ARM

40M

PSK31

20170111

024531

K

IA

5

EN31AN

NA

AD0AR

40M

PSK31

20170109

012900

K

IA

4

EN41FT

NA

AD0AR

20M

PSK31

20170109

001420

K

IA

5

EN41FT

NA

AD0AR

40M

PSK31

20170107

030600

K

IA

EN41FT

NA

W0BNW

40M

PSK31

20161226

234518

K

IA

5

EN32BB

NA

N0GES

40M

PSK31

20161225

205300

K

IA

EN41KA

NA

 

On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 4:52 PM, David Rock david@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

>
> On Jan 29, 2017, at 15:46, 'John Etling - K3JAE' john@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
>
>
> Needing someone from IOWA who will confirm on eQSL and LoTW please. Anyone out there fit that request?

I like using hamspots to get an idea of active calls for a state

http://hamspots.net/lotw_state/

—
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...

 
Re: awards

John Etling
 

Matt et al;

 

I have plenty of IA calls in the log… problem is not one of them has confirmed in digital mode (PSK31) primarily. I have been waiting over a year for any one of the IA calls to send in their LotW confirmation, some of those who claim to upload, yet none has been done so as of yet.

 

And before Jerry reminds me… I know not everyone uploads daily or even once a year but still if you sked a contact and actually complete it would you not think they would upload since that is a specific request and primary reason why the Sked pages exists?

 

I’m Just Sayin’

73 de K3JAE

 

John

 

 

 

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 16:02
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] awards

 

 

John - here's the 25 most recent Iowa contacts in our database. As you can see, it's been quite active out that way so far this year, even. I personally have KR0ES and N0GES in my log and see them from time to time. I have 10 Iowa calls since June of 2013, with 4 last year, including N0GES. As David suggested, try hamspots.net and maybe set up a sked on K3UK's site (http://www.obriensweb.com/sked/index.php?board=digitalradio) 

 

Speaking of that site, I just noticed a message on there that says the SKED PAGE will end APRIL 2017. That's unfortunate, but that's what seems to be happening.

 

Good luck!

 

73

 

Matthew King

AK4MK 070 #1708

PODXS 070 Club Executive Director

 

 

 

W0ARC

80M

PSK31

20170129

112647

K

IA

4

EN41DH

NA

KE0LFX

40M

PSK31

20170126

001447

K

IA

5

EN41EX

NA

K0ARM

20M

PSK31

20170124

213456

K

IA

5

EN31AN

NA

AD0AR

40M

PSK31

20170124

0047

K

IA

4

EN41FT

NA

K0FBV

20M

PSK31

20170122

202500

K

IA

4

EN41RN

NA

AD0AR

40M

PSK31

20170122

155756

K

IA

5

EN41FT

NA

K2DSW

40M

PSK31

20170121

234600

K

IA

4

EN31FG

North America

K2DSW

20M

PSK31

20170121

160628

K

IA

4

EN31FG

NA

K2DSW

80M

PSK31

20170121

050154

K

IA

5

EN31FG

NA

K2DSW

40M

PSK31

20170120

223203

K

IA

5

EN31FG

NA

KE0LFX/AG

40M

PSK31

20170120

222404

K

IA

5

EN41EX

NA

KE0LFX/AG

40M

PSK31

20170120

215741

K

IA

5

EN41EX

NA

KR0ES

40M

PSK31

20170119

045600

K

IA

5

EN31OI

North America

KR0ES

20M

PSK31

20170118

180300

K

IA

4

EN31OI

NA

KØFBV

40M

PSK31

20170117

013235

K

IA

5

EN41RN

NA

W0GRY

40M

PSK31

20170114

214952

K

IA

5

EN42PL

NA

KC0MS

40M

PSK31

20170114

004341

K

IA

5

EN31FO

NA

K2DSW

40M

PSK31

20170113

233400

K

IA

EN31FG

NA

K2DSW

80M

PSK31

20170113

035300

K

IA

EN31FG

NA

K0ARM

40M

PSK31

20170111

024531

K

IA

5

EN31AN

NA

AD0AR

40M

PSK31

20170109

012900

K

IA

4

EN41FT

NA

AD0AR

20M

PSK31

20170109

001420

K

IA

5

EN41FT

NA

AD0AR

40M

PSK31

20170107

030600

K

IA

EN41FT

NA

W0BNW

40M

PSK31

20161226

234518

K

IA

5

EN32BB

NA

N0GES

40M

PSK31

20161225

205300

K

IA

EN41KA

NA

 

On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 4:52 PM, David Rock david@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

>
> On Jan 29, 2017, at 15:46, 'John Etling - K3JAE' john@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
>
>
> Needing someone from IOWA who will confirm on eQSL and LoTW please. Anyone out there fit that request?

I like using hamspots to get an idea of active calls for a state

http://hamspots.net/lotw_state/

—
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...

 
Re: awards

Matthew King - KK4CPS <mrk.twg@...>
 

John - here's the 25 most recent Iowa contacts in our database. As you can see, it's been quite active out that way so far this year, even. I personally have KR0ES and N0GES in my log and see them from time to time. I have 10 Iowa calls since June of 2013, with 4 last year, including N0GES. As David suggested, try hamspots.net and maybe set up a sked on K3UK's site (http://www.obriensweb.com/sked/index.php?board=digitalradio) 

Speaking of that site, I just noticed a message on there that says the SKED PAGE will end APRIL 2017. That's unfortunate, but that's what seems to be happening.

Good luck!

73


Matthew King

AK4MK 070 #1708

PODXS 070 Club Executive Director




W0ARC80MPSK3120170129112647KIA4EN41DHNA
KE0LFX40MPSK3120170126001447KIA5EN41EXNA
K0ARM20MPSK3120170124213456KIA5EN31ANNA
AD0AR40MPSK31201701240047KIA4EN41FTNA
K0FBV20MPSK3120170122202500KIA4EN41RNNA
AD0AR40MPSK3120170122155756KIA5EN41FTNA
K2DSW40MPSK3120170121234600KIA4EN31FGNorth America
K2DSW20MPSK3120170121160628KIA4EN31FGNA
K2DSW80MPSK3120170121050154KIA5EN31FGNA
K2DSW40MPSK3120170120223203KIA5EN31FGNA
KE0LFX/AG40MPSK3120170120222404KIA5EN41EXNA
KE0LFX/AG40MPSK3120170120215741KIA5EN41EXNA
KR0ES40MPSK3120170119045600KIA5EN31OINorth America
KR0ES20MPSK3120170118180300KIA4EN31OINA
KØFBV40MPSK3120170117013235KIA5EN41RNNA
W0GRY40MPSK3120170114214952KIA5EN42PLNA
KC0MS40MPSK3120170114004341KIA5EN31FONA
K2DSW40MPSK3120170113233400KIAEN31FGNA
K2DSW80MPSK3120170113035300KIAEN31FGNA
K0ARM40MPSK3120170111024531KIA5EN31ANNA
AD0AR40MPSK3120170109012900KIA4EN41FTNA
AD0AR20MPSK3120170109001420KIA5EN41FTNA
AD0AR40MPSK3120170107030600KIAEN41FTNA
W0BNW40MPSK3120161226234518KIA5EN32BBNA
N0GES40MPSK3120161225205300KIAEN41KANA

On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 4:52 PM, David Rock david@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

>
> On Jan 29, 2017, at 15:46, 'John Etling - K3JAE' john@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
>
>
> Needing someone from IOWA who will confirm on eQSL and LoTW please. Anyone out there fit that request?

I like using hamspots to get an idea of active calls for a state

http://hamspots.net/lotw_state/

—
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...
Re: awards

David, K9DWR
 


On Jan 29, 2017, at 15:46, 'John Etling - K3JAE' john@... [070] <070@...> wrote:


Needing someone from IOWA who will confirm on eQSL and LoTW please. Anyone out there fit that request?
I like using hamspots to get an idea of active calls for a state

http://hamspots.net/lotw_state/

—
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...
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