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Re: HRD and freezing

John Bower <poppajohnbower@...>
 

Mike I am sorry but that has not been my experience I only can tell it as I have experienced it.
Good luck
John KE4JB

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Mike Flowers mike.flowers@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Yeah - two support tickets and no response. 

Email to Mike, WA9PIE - said he'd 'look into it' - no response. 

Been a 'customer' since they went commercial - no response. 

Yeah, I have 'paid support' - no response. 

-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

On Mar 23, 2016, at 6:10 PM, John Bower poppajohnbower@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

I use HRD 6 have done for ages occasionally get hiccups usually a windows 8.1 problem.
I f you are having s much trouble with HRD paid versions have you put in a trouble ticket? Have you let their great support people see what is going on?
I have and very rapidly my troubles were sorted out.
You pay for the support in the paid versions why not use it!!!
Have a blessed Easter hope to see you on the waterfall.
John KE4JB



On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

I guess RF wouldn't affect anything on RX...



From: "boat.anchor@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [070] HRD and freezing

 
Tom
You are right on. This is when it happens. I will see a freeze 1 in 10 times that I click on Rx text. 
Stray RF is not at play in Rx mode. Rig to computer is 6ft firewire with snapons at both ends. Everything single point grounded. I have had this since the 5.0 days and it continued so far into V6 that I backed out to 5.0 May have to try 4.0 and see what happens.
Barry



---In 070@..., wrote :

I've been a user of HRD 5.0 Rel 2893 for quite a while and very occasionally experience a freeze.  By very occasionally I mean maybe a couple times a month.

The freeze almost always happens when I click on the received text to capture a callsign into the QSO box.  The freeze generally lasts for 5-10 seconds and then resolves, often with the restoration of text received while the waterfall was "frozen".  Only the DM780 screen is affected.  A couple of times over the last several months he freeze did not resolve and I just terminated the module and restarted without a problem, other than losing some received text.

So it would be classified by me as just a minor annoyance. 

I've used FLdigi and DXLabs software and like them okay as well, but prefer HRD for now.  And there are still lots of Digipan folks out there, which I really enjoyed using the first couple of years on PSK.  I have to re-learn it each Field Day since that is what our PSK FD captain uses, HI.

Tom
K8TOM






Re: HRD and freezing

Mike Flowers
 

Yeah - two support tickets and no response. 

Email to Mike, WA9PIE - said he'd 'look into it' - no response. 

Been a 'customer' since they went commercial - no response. 

Yeah, I have 'paid support' - no response. 

-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

On Mar 23, 2016, at 6:10 PM, John Bower poppajohnbower@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

I use HRD 6 have done for ages occasionally get hiccups usually a windows 8.1 problem.
I f you are having s much trouble with HRD paid versions have you put in a trouble ticket? Have you let their great support people see what is going on?
I have and very rapidly my troubles were sorted out.
You pay for the support in the paid versions why not use it!!!
Have a blessed Easter hope to see you on the waterfall.
John KE4JB



On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

I guess RF wouldn't affect anything on RX...



From: "boat.anchor@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [070] HRD and freezing

 
Tom
You are right on. This is when it happens. I will see a freeze 1 in 10 times that I click on Rx text. 
Stray RF is not at play in Rx mode. Rig to computer is 6ft firewire with snapons at both ends. Everything single point grounded. I have had this since the 5.0 days and it continued so far into V6 that I backed out to 5.0 May have to try 4.0 and see what happens.
Barry



---In 070@..., wrote :

I've been a user of HRD 5.0 Rel 2893 for quite a while and very occasionally experience a freeze.  By very occasionally I mean maybe a couple times a month.

The freeze almost always happens when I click on the received text to capture a callsign into the QSO box.  The freeze generally lasts for 5-10 seconds and then resolves, often with the restoration of text received while the waterfall was "frozen".  Only the DM780 screen is affected.  A couple of times over the last several months he freeze did not resolve and I just terminated the module and restarted without a problem, other than losing some received text.

So it would be classified by me as just a minor annoyance. 

I've used FLdigi and DXLabs software and like them okay as well, but prefer HRD for now.  And there are still lots of Digipan folks out there, which I really enjoyed using the first couple of years on PSK.  I have to re-learn it each Field Day since that is what our PSK FD captain uses, HI.

Tom
K8TOM





Re: HRD and freezing

John Bower <poppajohnbower@...>
 

I use HRD 6 have done for ages occasionally get hiccups usually a windows 8.1 problem.
I f you are having s much trouble with HRD paid versions have you put in a trouble ticket? Have you let their great support people see what is going on?
I have and very rapidly my troubles were sorted out.
You pay for the support in the paid versions why not use it!!!
Have a blessed Easter hope to see you on the waterfall.
John KE4JB



On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

I guess RF wouldn't affect anything on RX...



From: "boat.anchor@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [070] HRD and freezing

 
Tom
You are right on. This is when it happens. I will see a freeze 1 in 10 times that I click on Rx text. 
Stray RF is not at play in Rx mode. Rig to computer is 6ft firewire with snapons at both ends. Everything single point grounded. I have had this since the 5.0 days and it continued so far into V6 that I backed out to 5.0 May have to try 4.0 and see what happens.
Barry



---In 070@..., wrote :

I've been a user of HRD 5.0 Rel 2893 for quite a while and very occasionally experience a freeze.  By very occasionally I mean maybe a couple times a month.

The freeze almost always happens when I click on the received text to capture a callsign into the QSO box.  The freeze generally lasts for 5-10 seconds and then resolves, often with the restoration of text received while the waterfall was "frozen".  Only the DM780 screen is affected.  A couple of times over the last several months he freeze did not resolve and I just terminated the module and restarted without a problem, other than losing some received text.

So it would be classified by me as just a minor annoyance. 

I've used FLdigi and DXLabs software and like them okay as well, but prefer HRD for now.  And there are still lots of Digipan folks out there, which I really enjoyed using the first couple of years on PSK.  I have to re-learn it each Field Day since that is what our PSK FD captain uses, HI.

Tom
K8TOM





Re: HRD and freezing

Len Hecker
 

...putting the RF issue aside for a moment.  Keep an eye on the CPU usage on the DM780 screen. If it gets too high the RX AND TX can get jerky.  I see it sometimes on the waterfall from some stations that are transmitting intermittent signals and I also see it on my own computer if the CPU usage gets too high.  Both on TX and RX.  Particularly if my old Windows XP machine has been on for a couple of days while DM780 was running.  Re-boot takes care of that.  It might pay to do a defrag too.  len k3lrh.


Re: HRD and freezing

keitheuffer@...
 

Having a similar problem with my W7 laptop, signalink, and fldigi, but part of the solution was putting snap-on ferrites over the signalink cable near where it plugs into the laptop.  Also, I rerouted some cables and grounds behind the equipment and upgraded fldigi from 3.22 to 3.23.  Made several psk31 contacts this afternoon and all is well.
gl & 73
KT4EP


Re: HRD and freezing

Jerry N9AVY
 

I guess RF wouldn't affect anything on RX...



From: "boat.anchor@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [070] HRD and freezing

 
Tom
You are right on. This is when it happens. I will see a freeze 1 in 10 times that I click on Rx text. 
Stray RF is not at play in Rx mode. Rig to computer is 6ft firewire with snapons at both ends. Everything single point grounded. I have had this since the 5.0 days and it continued so far into V6 that I backed out to 5.0 May have to try 4.0 and see what happens.
Barry



---In 070@..., wrote :

I've been a user of HRD 5.0 Rel 2893 for quite a while and very occasionally experience a freeze.  By very occasionally I mean maybe a couple times a month.

The freeze almost always happens when I click on the received text to capture a callsign into the QSO box.  The freeze generally lasts for 5-10 seconds and then resolves, often with the restoration of text received while the waterfall was "frozen".  Only the DM780 screen is affected.  A couple of times over the last several months he freeze did not resolve and I just terminated the module and restarted without a problem, other than losing some received text.

So it would be classified by me as just a minor annoyance. 

I've used FLdigi and DXLabs software and like them okay as well, but prefer HRD for now.  And there are still lots of Digipan folks out there, which I really enjoyed using the first couple of years on PSK.  I have to re-learn it each Field Day since that is what our PSK FD captain uses, HI.

Tom
K8TOM




Re: HRD and freezing

boat.anchor@...
 

Tom
You are right on. This is when it happens. I will see a freeze 1 in 10 times that I click on Rx text. 
Stray RF is not at play in Rx mode. Rig to computer is 6ft firewire with snapons at both ends. Everything single point grounded. I have had this since the 5.0 days and it continued so far into V6 that I backed out to 5.0 May have to try 4.0 and see what happens.
Barry



---In 070@..., <tsingle@...> wrote :

I've been a user of HRD 5.0 Rel 2893 for quite a while and very occasionally experience a freeze.  By very occasionally I mean maybe a couple times a month.

The freeze almost always happens when I click on the received text to capture a callsign into the QSO box.  The freeze generally lasts for 5-10 seconds and then resolves, often with the restoration of text received while the waterfall was "frozen".  Only the DM780 screen is affected.  A couple of times over the last several months he freeze did not resolve and I just terminated the module and restarted without a problem, other than losing some received text.

So it would be classified by me as just a minor annoyance. 

I've used FLdigi and DXLabs software and like them okay as well, but prefer HRD for now.  And there are still lots of Digipan folks out there, which I really enjoyed using the first couple of years on PSK.  I have to re-learn it each Field Day since that is what our PSK FD captain uses, HI.

Tom
K8TOM


Re: HRD and freezing

Jerry N9AVY
 

Check SWR on 20m  and 40m .    What are you using for coax ? 

Next, it may be the orientation of the OCF with regards to where you station is sitting.

Just a couple suggestions.

Jerry  N9AVY



From: "Mike Watson mikew@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [070] HRD and freezing

 
I can attest to the RF issue.  HRD works great on my vertical. But, when I switch to my OCF dipole, after a few minutes transmitting, the HRD rig control drops the connection with my rig, a Kenwood TS-590SG. I can kill the rig control portion of HRD, relink it with the logger and DM780 and all is well again.

I haven't a clue why one antenna affects HRD and the other doesn't.  The dipole doesn't always affect HRD, on 20M it does, on 40M it doesn't, or at least it isn't frequent enough that I'd remember.

Mike - W0TMW
--

"Lose not thy airspeed, lest the ground rises up and smites thee."
  -- William Kershner
http://crucis-court.com
http://www.crucis.net/1632search
On 03/23/2016 04:05 PM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] wrote:
 
Stray RF can be a real problem.  A balun at the antenna will reduce some problems, but one of the major problems I've found here is the keyboard...a  snap on choke usually solves the problem.   Other computer peripherals may also require snap on chokes, but it is a hit or miss proposition.

Working with alarm, I found over the years that tightly bundling cables is a cause of "cross-talk"  which in laymen's terms means that the data will jump from one cable to another (capacitive coupling).  Use of cable ties should be avoided. 

Ran into this at a large mall  that had 2 separate fire alarm systems which were addressable (data lines); because of local politics 2 separate systems were required.  The problem was discovered a few months after installation when a smoke detector false alarmed and initiated an alarm in the other system.  It took several weeks to find the problem which turned out to be parallel cables for both systems in a long cable run.  The same thing can happen is our ham radio stations only on a much smaller scale.

Stray RF and data signals don't always go together well.  The best we can do is use of chokes and routing of cables to prevent problems. If you have cables running parallel make sure that they are separated as much as possible.  If they need to cross each other try to route them at  right angles. Shielded data cable may also help.

Hope this helps someone.


Jerry  N9AVY





From: "'Hamette' hamette@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 3:39 PM
Subject: [070] HRD and freezing

 
I found out why my DM780 program (HRD) would freeze up occasionally. It was discovered quite by accident. It was caused by stray RF, coming from cables. I think the biggest culprit was the USB cable to the Signalink. I found this out when I moved my equipment around, and to neaten things, I bundled some cables with Velcro wraps, and the issue got worse. I tried experimenting with positioning my equipment in different places. The PC had to go on the floor to get it away from my TXCVR. No cables could be bundled. But now it hardly ever freezes up, and when I does, I can usually just shut down DM780 and restart it without closing Rig Control or the Logbook.. It is interesting that when it freezes, it is only the DM780 that will freeze, or just lose the ability to change frequency, while the Rig Control Application will still be able to control the frequency.
 
In all this, I found a new use for the IMD Meter some if us just got. In it’s startup routine, it will hunt for RF, so I used it to locate the sources of RF – the monitor somewhat, and the PC more so. Anyway, I hardly ever freeze up now. I also put ferrite beads on all my cables, but I don’t really think that made much of a difference. Equipment placement solved it for me.
 
Paula K7PAX #1739
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 11:02
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Logs
 
 
Barry ....I only use HRD and experience the program freezing up from time to time also .... being a computer dummy it the only program that I use ... It was a steep learning curve for me ..... so rather than trying the other programs that are out there I just grin and bear it  when it freezes up ...sometimes it recovers itself other times I have to restart the program ..... no rhyem or reason when it freezes up but seems mostly when I am changing bands when using the HRD program to control the radio thru the computer ..... 
 
JEFF WALSH
W3WMU
#1673
BUBBAWOOD
WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS
STURGIS, MS .





Re: HRD and freezing

Mike - W0TMW #2207
 

I can attest to the RF issue.  HRD works great on my vertical. But, when I switch to my OCF dipole, after a few minutes transmitting, the HRD rig control drops the connection with my rig, a Kenwood TS-590SG. I can kill the rig control portion of HRD, relink it with the logger and DM780 and all is well again.

I haven't a clue why one antenna affects HRD and the other doesn't.  The dipole doesn't always affect HRD, on 20M it does, on 40M it doesn't, or at least it isn't frequent enough that I'd remember.

Mike - W0TMW
--

"Lose not thy airspeed, lest the ground rises up and smites thee."
  -- William Kershner
http://crucis-court.com
http://www.crucis.net/1632search
On 03/23/2016 04:05 PM, Jerry n9avy@... [070] wrote:

 
Stray RF can be a real problem.  A balun at the antenna will reduce some problems, but one of the major problems I've found here is the keyboard...a  snap on choke usually solves the problem.   Other computer peripherals may also require snap on chokes, but it is a hit or miss proposition.

Working with alarm, I found over the years that tightly bundling cables is a cause of "cross-talk"  which in laymen's terms means that the data will jump from one cable to another (capacitive coupling).  Use of cable ties should be avoided. 

Ran into this at a large mall  that had 2 separate fire alarm systems which were addressable (data lines); because of local politics 2 separate systems were required.  The problem was discovered a few months after installation when a smoke detector false alarmed and initiated an alarm in the other system.  It took several weeks to find the problem which turned out to be parallel cables for both systems in a long cable run.  The same thing can happen is our ham radio stations only on a much smaller scale.

Stray RF and data signals don't always go together well.  The best we can do is use of chokes and routing of cables to prevent problems. If you have cables running parallel make sure that they are separated as much as possible.  If they need to cross each other try to route them at  right angles. Shielded data cable may also help.

Hope this helps someone.


Jerry  N9AVY





From: "'Hamette' hamette@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 3:39 PM
Subject: [070] HRD and freezing

 
I found out why my DM780 program (HRD) would freeze up occasionally. It was discovered quite by accident. It was caused by stray RF, coming from cables. I think the biggest culprit was the USB cable to the Signalink. I found this out when I moved my equipment around, and to neaten things, I bundled some cables with Velcro wraps, and the issue got worse. I tried experimenting with positioning my equipment in different places. The PC had to go on the floor to get it away from my TXCVR. No cables could be bundled. But now it hardly ever freezes up, and when I does, I can usually just shut down DM780 and restart it without closing Rig Control or the Logbook.. It is interesting that when it freezes, it is only the DM780 that will freeze, or just lose the ability to change frequency, while the Rig Control Application will still be able to control the frequency.
 
In all this, I found a new use for the IMD Meter some if us just got. In it’s startup routine, it will hunt for RF, so I used it to locate the sources of RF – the monitor somewhat, and the PC more so. Anyway, I hardly ever freeze up now. I also put ferrite beads on all my cables, but I don’t really think that made much of a difference. Equipment placement solved it for me.
 
Paula K7PAX #1739
 
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 11:02
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Logs
 
 
Barry ....I only use HRD and experience the program freezing up from time to time also .... being a computer dummy it the only program that I use ... It was a steep learning curve for me ..... so rather than trying the other programs that are out there I just grin and bear it  when it freezes up ...sometimes it recovers itself other times I have to restart the program ..... no rhyem or reason when it freezes up but seems mostly when I am changing bands when using the HRD program to control the radio thru the computer ..... 
 
JEFF WALSH
W3WMU
#1673
BUBBAWOOD
WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS
STURGIS, MS .



Re: HRD and freezing

David Westbrook
 

And there are still lots of Digipan folks out there, which I really enjoyed using the first couple of years on PSK.  I have to re-learn it each Field Day since that is what our PSK FD captain uses, HI.

Digipan ( http://www.digipan.net/was end-of-life over a decade ago!! (v2.0 from 11/1/2004 was the final release)   That makes us developer-types cringe :)
For FD, as a "public" setting that (presumably) is introducing/teaching digital modes, maybe FD captain would be open to using something more modern, common, and supported.

[curious that the handful of digipan logs uploaded to the endorsement checker are all v1.6, which is from 2001]

73!
--david
KJ4IZW


On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Tom Singleton tsingle@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

I've been a user of HRD 5.0 Rel 2893 for quite a while and very occasionally experience a freeze.  By very occasionally I mean maybe a couple times a month.

The freeze almost always happens when I click on the received text to capture a callsign into the QSO box.  The freeze generally lasts for 5-10 seconds and then resolves, often with the restoration of text received while the waterfall was "frozen".  Only the DM780 screen is affected.  A couple of times over the last several months he freeze did not resolve and I just terminated the module and restarted without a problem, other than losing some received text.

So it would be classified by me as just a minor annoyance. 

I've used FLdigi and DXLabs software and like them okay as well, but prefer HRD for now.  And there are still lots of Digipan folks out there, which I really enjoyed using the first couple of years on PSK.  I have to re-learn it each Field Day since that is what our PSK FD captain uses, HI.

Tom
K8TOM

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:59 PM, 'Ray Clements' r.clements@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Use some quality ferrite chokes on your cables to dampen stray RF.

Ray N9RWC

------ Original Message ------
Received: 03:39 PM CDT, 03/23/2016
From: "'Hamette' hamette@... [070]" <070@...>
To: <070@...>
Subject: [070] HRD and freezing


 

I found out why my DM780 program (HRD) would freeze up occasionally. It was discovered quite by accident. It was caused by stray RF, coming from cables. I think the biggest culprit was the USB cable to the Signalink. I found this out when I moved my equipment around, and to neaten things, I bundled some cables with Velcro wraps, and the issue got worse. I tried experimenting with positioning my equipment in different places. The PC had to go on the floor to get it away from my TXCVR. No cables could be bundled. But now it hardly ever freezes up, and when I does, I can usually just shut down DM780 and restart it without closing Rig Control or the Logbook.. It is interesting that when it freezes, it is only the DM780 that will freeze, or just lose the ability to change frequency, while the Rig Control Application will still be able to control the frequency.

 

In all this, I found a new use for the IMD Meter some if us just got. In it’s startup routine, it will hunt for RF, so I used it to locate the sources of RF – the monitor somewhat, and the PC more so. Anyway, I hardly ever freeze up now. I also put ferrite beads on all my cables, but I don’t really think that made much of a difference. Equipment placement solved it for me.

 

Paula K7PAX #1739

 

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 11:02
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Logs

 

 

Barry ....I only use HRD and experience the program freezing up from time to time also .... being a computer dummy it the only program that I use ... It was a steep learning curve for me ..... so rather than trying the other programs that are out there I just grin and bear it  when it freezes up ...sometimes it recovers itself other times I have to restart the program ..... no rhyem or reason when it freezes up but seems mostly when I am changing bands when using the HRD program to control the radio thru the computer ..... 

 

JEFF WALSH

W3WMU

#1673

BUBBAWOOD

WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS

STURGIS, MS .






Re: HRD and freezing

K8TOM
 

I've been a user of HRD 5.0 Rel 2893 for quite a while and very occasionally experience a freeze.  By very occasionally I mean maybe a couple times a month.

The freeze almost always happens when I click on the received text to capture a callsign into the QSO box.  The freeze generally lasts for 5-10 seconds and then resolves, often with the restoration of text received while the waterfall was "frozen".  Only the DM780 screen is affected.  A couple of times over the last several months he freeze did not resolve and I just terminated the module and restarted without a problem, other than losing some received text.

So it would be classified by me as just a minor annoyance. 

I've used FLdigi and DXLabs software and like them okay as well, but prefer HRD for now.  And there are still lots of Digipan folks out there, which I really enjoyed using the first couple of years on PSK.  I have to re-learn it each Field Day since that is what our PSK FD captain uses, HI.

Tom
K8TOM

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:59 PM, 'Ray Clements' r.clements@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

Use some quality ferrite chokes on your cables to dampen stray RF.

Ray N9RWC

------ Original Message ------
Received: 03:39 PM CDT, 03/23/2016
From: "'Hamette' hamette@... [070]" <070@...>
To: <070@...>
Subject: [070] HRD and freezing


 

I found out why my DM780 program (HRD) would freeze up occasionally. It was discovered quite by accident. It was caused by stray RF, coming from cables. I think the biggest culprit was the USB cable to the Signalink. I found this out when I moved my equipment around, and to neaten things, I bundled some cables with Velcro wraps, and the issue got worse. I tried experimenting with positioning my equipment in different places. The PC had to go on the floor to get it away from my TXCVR. No cables could be bundled. But now it hardly ever freezes up, and when I does, I can usually just shut down DM780 and restart it without closing Rig Control or the Logbook.. It is interesting that when it freezes, it is only the DM780 that will freeze, or just lose the ability to change frequency, while the Rig Control Application will still be able to control the frequency.

 

In all this, I found a new use for the IMD Meter some if us just got. In it’s startup routine, it will hunt for RF, so I used it to locate the sources of RF – the monitor somewhat, and the PC more so. Anyway, I hardly ever freeze up now. I also put ferrite beads on all my cables, but I don’t really think that made much of a difference. Equipment placement solved it for me.

 

Paula K7PAX #1739

 

From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 11:02
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Logs

 

 

Barry ....I only use HRD and experience the program freezing up from time to time also .... being a computer dummy it the only program that I use ... It was a steep learning curve for me ..... so rather than trying the other programs that are out there I just grin and bear it  when it freezes up ...sometimes it recovers itself other times I have to restart the program ..... no rhyem or reason when it freezes up but seems mostly when I am changing bands when using the HRD program to control the radio thru the computer ..... 

 

JEFF WALSH

W3WMU

#1673

BUBBAWOOD

WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS

STURGIS, MS .





Re: HRD and freezing

Jerry N9AVY
 

Stray RF can be a real problem.  A balun at the antenna will reduce some problems, but one of the major problems I've found here is the keyboard...a  snap on choke usually solves the problem.   Other computer peripherals may also require snap on chokes, but it is a hit or miss proposition.

Working with alarm, I found over the years that tightly bundling cables is a cause of "cross-talk"  which in laymen's terms means that the data will jump from one cable to another (capacitive coupling).  Use of cable ties should be avoided. 

Ran into this at a large mall  that had 2 separate fire alarm systems which were addressable (data lines); because of local politics 2 separate systems were required.  The problem was discovered a few months after installation when a smoke detector false alarmed and initiated an alarm in the other system.  It took several weeks to find the problem which turned out to be parallel cables for both systems in a long cable run.  The same thing can happen is our ham radio stations only on a much smaller scale.

Stray RF and data signals don't always go together well.  The best we can do is use of chokes and routing of cables to prevent problems. If you have cables running parallel make sure that they are separated as much as possible.  If they need to cross each other try to route them at  right angles. Shielded data cable may also help.

Hope this helps someone.


Jerry  N9AVY





From: "'Hamette' hamette@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 3:39 PM
Subject: [070] HRD and freezing

 
I found out why my DM780 program (HRD) would freeze up occasionally. It was discovered quite by accident. It was caused by stray RF, coming from cables. I think the biggest culprit was the USB cable to the Signalink. I found this out when I moved my equipment around, and to neaten things, I bundled some cables with Velcro wraps, and the issue got worse. I tried experimenting with positioning my equipment in different places. The PC had to go on the floor to get it away from my TXCVR. No cables could be bundled. But now it hardly ever freezes up, and when I does, I can usually just shut down DM780 and restart it without closing Rig Control or the Logbook.. It is interesting that when it freezes, it is only the DM780 that will freeze, or just lose the ability to change frequency, while the Rig Control Application will still be able to control the frequency.
 
In all this, I found a new use for the IMD Meter some if us just got. In it’s startup routine, it will hunt for RF, so I used it to locate the sources of RF – the monitor somewhat, and the PC more so. Anyway, I hardly ever freeze up now. I also put ferrite beads on all my cables, but I don’t really think that made much of a difference. Equipment placement solved it for me.
 
Paula K7PAX #1739
 
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Barry ....I only use HRD and experience the program freezing up from time to time also .... being a computer dummy it the only program that I use ... It was a steep learning curve for me ..... so rather than trying the other programs that are out there I just grin and bear it  when it freezes up ...sometimes it recovers itself other times I have to restart the program ..... no rhyem or reason when it freezes up but seems mostly when I am changing bands when using the HRD program to control the radio thru the computer ..... 
 
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Re: HRD and freezing

Ray Clements
 

Use some quality ferrite chokes on your cables to dampen stray RF.

Ray N9RWC


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Re: Logs

keitheuffer@...
 

Tell ya, I joined this club mid to late 2014 and have really learned a lot even though I've been working psk-31 since 2010.   No questions go without multiple answers and everyone is helpful.    The scorer is amazing IMO being able to take data and get it right back out to us - in my experience - near instantaneous.    I've used HRD/DM versions 4 and 5 to some extent but favor fldigi for it's flexibility and I was also using it on Linux.  I talked to Dave Freese on 40 meters psk-31.   I just favor fldigi.   Manipulating my log data is no biggie - I actually do most everything manually including eQSL and LoTW.    I had a bad year 2015 with three deaths including my mother and the dog (!) and had just obtained WAS with psk-31 this past June and decided to go with JT-65 for a while for a break and then I achieved WAS with JT-65 in 8 months so now I want to "come home" to psk-31.  I actually make a lot more DX contacts with psk-31 and it's nice to run into hams again that I have had great QSOs with.   Thanks for the input on the last couple of messages in this thread.  Good information there to be had.
KT4EP in west Tennessee
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FLDigi

Jim K5SP
 

So many people are using Fldigi that I thought I would give it a try. However, I cannot get it to work with my interface.

I have a RigExpert SD interface, but when I try to setup FLDigi it only shows speakers as an audio source. I have searched the net trying to
find help with this to no avail.

Does anyone know how to setup FLDigi to use the RigExpert SD interface?

Jim, K5SP


HRD and freezing

Paula K7PAX #1739
 

I found out why my DM780 program (HRD) would freeze up occasionally. It was discovered quite by accident. It was caused by stray RF, coming from cables. I think the biggest culprit was the USB cable to the Signalink. I found this out when I moved my equipment around, and to neaten things, I bundled some cables with Velcro wraps, and the issue got worse. I tried experimenting with positioning my equipment in different places. The PC had to go on the floor to get it away from my TXCVR. No cables could be bundled. But now it hardly ever freezes up, and when I does, I can usually just shut down DM780 and restart it without closing Rig Control or the Logbook.. It is interesting that when it freezes, it is only the DM780 that will freeze, or just lose the ability to change frequency, while the Rig Control Application will still be able to control the frequency.

 

In all this, I found a new use for the IMD Meter some if us just got. In it’s startup routine, it will hunt for RF, so I used it to locate the sources of RF – the monitor somewhat, and the PC more so. Anyway, I hardly ever freeze up now. I also put ferrite beads on all my cables, but I don’t really think that made much of a difference. Equipment placement solved it for me.

 

Paula K7PAX #1739

 

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Barry ....I only use HRD and experience the program freezing up from time to time also .... being a computer dummy it the only program that I use ... It was a steep learning curve for me ..... so rather than trying the other programs that are out there I just grin and bear it  when it freezes up ...sometimes it recovers itself other times I have to restart the program ..... no rhyem or reason when it freezes up but seems mostly when I am changing bands when using the HRD program to control the radio thru the computer ..... 

 

JEFF WALSH

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Re: Logs

Mike Flowers
 

Yes, commercial software is tough enough to develop and support, and consumer end-user software is very challenging.

 

It’s been interesting over the years to watch Amateur Radio and digital technology converge so that now we have CAAR – Computer-Aided Amateur Radio.

 

Still, for my money, the best game in town!

 

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, President - NCDXC

 

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Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 12:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [070] Re: Logs

 

 

While I do hear about stability issues here and there, I've been running HRD 6 since it came out and haven't had any issues since 6.3.x with my Windows 10 machine. It's just an i3 processor at that, and I generally run 15-20 programs simultaneously with 3-4 instances of Chrome and 20-50 tabs in each instance. (I'm addicted to tabs...)  Granted, I do run 16GB of fast, quality RAM.

 

I'm thinking a lot of the issues are in specific setups and configurations, not necessarily HRD/WIN10 themselves. As a former software developer, I don't envy them trying to figure it all out, that's for sure!

 

 

73

 

Matthew King

KK4CPS 070 #1708

PODXS 070 Club Executive Director

 

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On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Mike Flowers mike.flowers@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

The HRD team is dealing with some serious stability issues, especially with Windows 10.  MS has made some changes to serial data handling that are giving HRD's Local Host IP server fits. 

 

I'm running v6.3.0.501 and it's somewhat better. 

 

Start Rig Control, wait about 60 seconds, the start Logbook and DM-780.  These seems to me to help the stability issue. 

-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"


On Mar 23, 2016, at 11:01 AM, JEFF WALSH jeffwalsh1644@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

Barry ....I only use HRD and experience the program freezing up from time to time also .... being a computer dummy it the only program that I use ... It was a steep learning curve for me ..... so rather than trying the other programs that are out there I just grin and bear it  when it freezes up ...sometimes it recovers itself other times I have to restart the program ..... no rhyem or reason when it freezes up but seems mostly when I am changing bands when using the HRD program to control the radio thru the computer ..... 

 

JEFF WALSH

W3WMU

#1673

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Re: Logs

Matthew King - KK4CPS <mrk.twg@...>
 

While I do hear about stability issues here and there, I've been running HRD 6 since it came out and haven't had any issues since 6.3.x with my Windows 10 machine. It's just an i3 processor at that, and I generally run 15-20 programs simultaneously with 3-4 instances of Chrome and 20-50 tabs in each instance. (I'm addicted to tabs...)  Granted, I do run 16GB of fast, quality RAM.

I'm thinking a lot of the issues are in specific setups and configurations, not necessarily HRD/WIN10 themselves. As a former software developer, I don't envy them trying to figure it all out, that's for sure!


73


Matthew King

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On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Mike Flowers mike.flowers@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

The HRD team is dealing with some serious stability issues, especially with Windows 10.  MS has made some changes to serial data handling that are giving HRD's Local Host IP server fits. 

I'm running v6.3.0.501 and it's somewhat better. 

Start Rig Control, wait about 60 seconds, the start Logbook and DM-780.  These seems to me to help the stability issue. 

-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

On Mar 23, 2016, at 11:01 AM, JEFF WALSH jeffwalsh1644@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

Barry ....I only use HRD and experience the program freezing up from time to time also .... being a computer dummy it the only program that I use ... It was a steep learning curve for me ..... so rather than trying the other programs that are out there I just grin and bear it  when it freezes up ...sometimes it recovers itself other times I have to restart the program ..... no rhyem or reason when it freezes up but seems mostly when I am changing bands when using the HRD program to control the radio thru the computer ..... 

JEFF WALSH
W3WMU
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WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS
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Re: Logs

David Westbrook
 

Due to ongoing issues with HRD freezing for past couple years I have been trying to force myself to learn FLDIGI. You have just provided the 1st good reason not to.
The search continues

Barry --  I highly recommend DXLab as a full feature solution (and free!)..  For logging, DXKeeper  is excellent with award tracking and lotw/eqsl/clublog uploading, and QSL card support.
And WinWarbler  works great for both casual and contest (specific contest-mode support) work for PSK/RTTY (and phone/cw). 
Plus lots more in the DXLab suite.
learning curve, but worth it!


2.  Rather than saying that fldigi is loose in the ADIF it generates, I would say that it is *flexible*, in that you can include or exclude specific fields, can export based on a data range, and can exclude specific contacts from the export by unchecking them.  But all the fields are captured at logging time, it’s a matter of which fields you choose to export, not which ones you choose to have logged.  

But that's too much flexibity that lets the users get in trouble :)  ..  Being specifically for ham use, there should be a requirement of basic fields like BAND (or FREQ), CALL, DATE, etc,  even though no specific fields are required by the ADIF spec.
And it definitely should not let you create illegal adif fields (which i think i've seen from  nearly all loggers except DXKeeper).

fldigi also isn't intended for log-related functionality like award-tracking and QSL uploads (lotw/eqsl/clublog/etc) and paper QSL'ing; whereas full loggers like HRD and DXKeeper have all that  additional functionality.
OTOH fldigi has a bunch of modes that it supports, and is cross-platform.   And can be used as a modem by other programs (e.g. for WinLink)

For DXLab/DXKeeper users -- there's a fldigi gateway to provide integration, to use Commander, SpotCollector, and DXKeeper with fldigi.   I would use fldigi and the dxlab gateway if i worked other digital modes besides PSK/RTTY (i use Winwarbler) and JT65/JT9  (i use WSJT-X + JT-Alert->DXLAb integration).

--david
KJ4IZW


On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Paul Butzi kg7stv@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

I use fldigi.  Some points that others might (or might not) find useful to know:


1.  The contact log is kept as an ADIF file.  To do the ordinary endorsement checker thing, I just upload my entire log.  So far I’ve had no issues.  Well, actually, that’s not quite true: the logging does not automatically fill in DXCC, so I must go back and fill that in periodically.

2.  Rather than saying that fldigi is loose in the ADIF it generates, I would say that it is *flexible*, in that you can include or exclude specific fields, can export based on a data range, and can exclude specific contacts from the export by unchecking them.  But all the fields are captured at logging time, it’s a matter of which fields you choose to export, not which ones you choose to have logged.  

In other words, if you’ve used fldigi and the log file you exported to upload for the contest checking didn’t include BAND, it’s child’s play to go back and export another ADIF file which includes it - you just go thru the process again and this time, check BAND as one of the fields to export.

-p KG7STV
73, don’t forget to smile and have fun



On Mar 23, 2016, at 9:21 AM, boat.anchor@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

David

Due to ongoing issues with HRD freezing for past couple years I have been trying to force myself to learn FLDIGI. You have just provided the 1st good reason not to.
I would try a new computer but have a requirement for IEEE1394 port and dont really want another noisy desktop therefore partial to laptops. I have been looking at used Lenovo units but they want the same as a new laptop.
The search continues
Barry
VA7GEM



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The concept of the scorer (and endorsement checker) is you just hit "export to ADIF" and use that ...  unfortunately, most loggers do not completely obey the standard ADIF format, so it makes it a lot more complicated.

And fldigi is really loose in the ADIF it generates ...    based on the ADIF i've seen, you have to very explicitly set the fields you want logged;  otherwise it's happy  to log with missing info, like BAND! 

The KT4EP adif file looks picture-perfect though-- FB!!

For those using a primary logger (HRD, DXKeeper, etc), i recommend exporting from fldigi to there first, then export the contest records to ADIF.

--david
kj4izw






Re: Logs

Mike Flowers
 

The HRD team is dealing with some serious stability issues, especially with Windows 10.  MS has made some changes to serial data handling that are giving HRD's Local Host IP server fits. 

I'm running v6.3.0.501 and it's somewhat better. 

Start Rig Control, wait about 60 seconds, the start Logbook and DM-780.  These seems to me to help the stability issue. 

-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

On Mar 23, 2016, at 11:01 AM, JEFF WALSH jeffwalsh1644@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

Barry ....I only use HRD and experience the program freezing up from time to time also .... being a computer dummy it the only program that I use ... It was a steep learning curve for me ..... so rather than trying the other programs that are out there I just grin and bear it  when it freezes up ...sometimes it recovers itself other times I have to restart the program ..... no rhyem or reason when it freezes up but seems mostly when I am changing bands when using the HRD program to control the radio thru the computer ..... 

JEFF WALSH
W3WMU
#1673
BUBBAWOOD
WORLDWIDE HEADQUARTERS
STURGIS, MS.