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Re: T19/3Z9DX on 20m

Jerry N9AVY
 

Those weren't the ones, but there is another op who lives in your area who did that when I was W1AW/9.  That was a 10 minute QSO and I took me 30 minutes to recover from that one...  had to sedate myself with a couple 807's to keep from telling him off ! :-)


jerry  n9avy


From: "n6mg@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [070] T19/3Z9DX on 20m

 
Jerry,
Are you referring to Keli Marie and Sly, our border collie's or to Scout, our German shepherd or to Dood, a desert tortoise? Maybe to Frankie or Zorro the neighborhood Abyssinian feline creatures? (Owner is unknown but the entire neighborhood feeds and takes turn with their vaccinations via the Vet that lives down the street....weird looking cats!).  Hi Hi
Just too many names for a macro!
That's all I need is more mouth's to feed!
Milt.
N6MG
070-650
LONP #76




Re: PSK31 Macros - was TI9/3Z9DX on 20m‏ thread

Ray Clements
 

There is nothing wrong with long ragchew QSOs, as long as you do not try to do so during a contest or with a station trying to keep up the QSO rate. I have had some QSOs that have lasted 15 minutes or longer, but I do that only when both parties have time to do so.

The following are "ragchew" comments, so skip them if you do not have time.

I do have a station/brag macro, but I rarely send it, even when the other station does so. I will only send it when I think there is information that the other station may want to hear/see. For example, if I run across someone who uses the same radio I do (an ICOM 7600), I might send my station macro.

I only send the WX report when it the weather truly remarkable. Early this morning it was  8 degrees F below zero in the Chicago suburbs (not including the wind chill factor), either exceeding or matching the record low for this date. I might consider sending something like that, but not normally.  Be thinking of all of the 070 club members in the Chicago area and other northern states who are shivering this morning.
 
I use HRD and that program makes it very easy to establish a variety of macro sets and then quickly switch between them as the need arises. For example, I have a normal RTTY macro that I use when responding to RTTY stations, but sometimes a RTTY station will respond with an exchange that contains added information similar to that in my PSK macro, so I will switch to that set of macros before sending my exchange. Likewise, if working PSK and the calling station sends a brief exchange, I will quickly switch to my RTTY macro before sending my exchange. I also can edit my macros on the fly when they contain information that is probably not of interest to the other party. For example, I send my EPC number to US and EU contacts, but normally delete it when communicating with SA and AF stations.

If the station calling CQ wants to chat and you have time to chat, then feel free to do so, but be sensitive to know when to call it quits.

The key is to LISTEN/WATCH  what the calling station is doing before ever responding. Try to respond in a manner that is appropriate. I know that most of the 070 club members are great operators and know what to do, but we also have some who can improve.

Ray N9RWC
070 # 1793
LONP #291





------ Original Message ------
Received: 09:57 AM CST, 02/19/2015
From: "Ld Rockne pops435@... [070]" <070@...>
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Subject: Re: [070] PSK31 Macros - was TI9/3Z9DX on 20m‏ thread


 

Hi Bill,

Saw you call CQ 4-5 times on 15 mtrs, so decided to give you a
call and say 'Hello'.

Tried to keep it short, and did not use macros except for the
calls and BTU, even then it probably to long.
That's what happens when you turn me loose with a keyboard.

73, Larry WA7HDZ



On Thursday, February 19, 2015 7:10 AM, "Bill Garwood n4gbk@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:




Hi folks,
 
This thread has drifted a bit so I changed the name.
 
Some comments here about operating and macros.  Since starting with PSK31 in 2013, my macros and operating procedures have been changing.  I've got 8,000+ PSK31 QSOs in the log.
 
If I call CQ and the other station comes back to me with hello Bill or William, I know they have either worked me before or they are looking at my info on QRZ or other database.  I do not send them my full who I am, where I am macro.  I'll send something like Hello Fred, UR 599 in NC..HW?.... Again, a large majority of stations world-wide are using some kind of callbook database or website.
 
When working DX, I do not send my town and state, just send North Carolina as QTH.  They do not come back and ask for my town.  I will send them my town and state if working US or CA stations.
 
I never send my county in any macros.  I have only had one person ever ask me what county I am located in.
 
I do not send my call or the other station's call more than one time once we have established contact.
 
I do not send them what kind of software or logging software I'm using or what kind of computer I'm using.  Again, only one time has someone asked me about what software I'm using.  I've never, ever had someone want to know about my computer.   I will send them my rig and antenna info if and only if the QSO seems to have progressed that far.
 
No macros used when in a ragchew...I'm typing on the keyboard all the way and making fumble fingered mistakes but having fun.
 
I keep a legal pad next to the keyboard and make notes and comments about each QSO that help refresh my memory.
 
As always, your results may vary...just some comments.
 
Happy Radio!
 
Bill N4GBK  #1688
 
 







M0SAS 070-1886 on 15m CQ'n right now.

 

Steve has a nice signal on 15m right now.

Milt.

N6MG

070-650

LONP #76



Re: PSK31 Macr os - was T I9/3Z9DX o n 20m‏ thr ead

 

Bill, your posting was well written and thorough. Thanks for passing along your macro content and the reasoning..

I've changed my qth macro to be more inline with your idea's.

If they're county hunters they'll ask or get it off of qrz.com.




Re: PSK31 Macros - was TI9/3Z9DX on 20m‏ thread

Larry
 

Hi Bill,

Saw you call CQ 4-5 times on 15 mtrs, so decided to give you a
call and say 'Hello'.

Tried to keep it short, and did not use macros except for the
calls and BTU, even then it probably to long.
That's what happens when you turn me loose with a keyboard.

73, Larry WA7HDZ



On Thursday, February 19, 2015 7:10 AM, "Bill Garwood n4gbk@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:




Hi folks,
 
This thread has drifted a bit so I changed the name.
 
Some comments here about operating and macros.  Since starting with PSK31 in 2013, my macros and operating procedures have been changing.  I've got 8,000+ PSK31 QSOs in the log.
 
If I call CQ and the other station comes back to me with hello Bill or William, I know they have either worked me before or they are looking at my info on QRZ or other database.  I do not send them my full who I am, where I am macro.  I'll send something like Hello Fred, UR 599 in NC..HW?.... Again, a large majority of stations world-wide are using some kind of callbook database or website.
 
When working DX, I do not send my town and state, just send North Carolina as QTH.  They do not come back and ask for my town.  I will send them my town and state if working US or CA stations.
 
I never send my county in any macros.  I have only had one person ever ask me what county I am located in.
 
I do not send my call or the other station's call more than one time once we have established contact.
 
I do not send them what kind of software or logging software I'm using or what kind of computer I'm using.  Again, only one time has someone asked me about what software I'm using.  I've never, ever had someone want to know about my computer.   I will send them my rig and antenna info if and only if the QSO seems to have progressed that far.
 
No macros used when in a ragchew...I'm typing on the keyboard all the way and making fumble fingered mistakes but having fun.
 
I keep a legal pad next to the keyboard and make notes and comments about each QSO that help refresh my memory.
 
As always, your results may vary...just some comments.
 
Happy Radio!
 
Bill N4GBK  #1688
 
 





PSK31 Macros - was TI9/3Z9DX on 20m‏ thread

Bill Garwood
 

Hi folks,
 
This thread has drifted a bit so I changed the name.
 
Some comments here about operating and macros.  Since starting with PSK31 in 2013, my macros and operating procedures have been changing.  I've got 8,000+ PSK31 QSOs in the log.
 
If I call CQ and the other station comes back to me with hello Bill or William, I know they have either worked me before or they are looking at my info on QRZ or other database.  I do not send them my full who I am, where I am macro.  I'll send something like Hello Fred, UR 599 in NC..HW?.... Again, a large majority of stations world-wide are using some kind of callbook database or website.
 
When working DX, I do not send my town and state, just send North Carolina as QTH.  They do not come back and ask for my town.  I will send them my town and state if working US or CA stations.
 
I never send my county in any macros.  I have only had one person ever ask me what county I am located in.
 
I do not send my call or the other station's call more than one time once we have established contact.
 
I do not send them what kind of software or logging software I'm using or what kind of computer I'm using.  Again, only one time has someone asked me about what software I'm using.  I've never, ever had someone want to know about my computer.   I will send them my rig and antenna info if and only if the QSO seems to have progressed that far.
 
No macros used when in a ragchew...I'm typing on the keyboard all the way and making fumble fingered mistakes but having fun.
 
I keep a legal pad next to the keyboard and make notes and comments about each QSO that help refresh my memory.
 
As always, your results may vary...just some comments.
 
Happy Radio!
 
Bill N4GBK  #1688
 
 


Re: T19/3Z9DX on 20m

 

Jerry,

Are you referring to Keli Marie and Sly, our border collie's or to Scout, our German shepherd or to Dood, a desert tortoise? Maybe to Frankie or Zorro the neighborhood Abyssinian feline creatures? (Owner is unknown but the entire neighborhood feeds and takes turn with their vaccinations via the Vet that lives down the street....weird looking cats!).  Hi Hi

Just too many names for a macro!

That's all I need is more mouth's to feed!

Milt.

N6MG

070-650

LONP #76



Re: T19/3Z9DX on 20m

Jerry N9AVY
 

You'll also have to add all the names of your pets !   Got that one from a station in the land of fruits & nuts !

Jerry  n9avy


From: "Robert Johnstone shopr3@... [070]" <070@...>
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: [070] T19/3Z9DX on 20m

 
great! now I have to add shoe size and hat size to my lid tx macro. Robert kd0fip




From: "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...>
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [070] T19/3Z9DX on 20m

 
After the fiasco of operating W1AW/9 here in Illinois last December, I concluded that 50% of PSK OPS are dumber than dirt when it comes to working special events and DX station !

They are so used to run the usual macro format that they know nothing else.  Many are just interested in getting that QSO and have no consideration for others nor the Q rate of the special event/DX station. Mostly this is a matter of education and that may be a difficult problem reaching all those stations.

Tom is absolutely right about DX stations unwilling to take the chance with ruining their Q rate (number of QSOs per hour). With all those long macros a typical QSO rate might be 12 per hour; typically in a 48 hour weekend that would be 576 QSOs. Allowing for QRM, pileups and band conditions that 576 would be a much lower figure.  For a full blown 2-week DXpedition the best they could hope for would be a little over 7700 QSOs. To a DXpedition like the recent Navassa Is. group which made well over 100,000 QSOs in 2 weeks this 7700 is a very dismal number.   This is why DXpeditions aren't willing to try PSK31 operation ! It's all about the numbers.  The will do SSB, CW and RTTY where QSOs run faster and OPs know how to get in and out quickly.

PSK31 is great for ragchewing, but I doubt that it will ever be a serious DX mode because of ops who insist on sending long macros. 

The time I spent as W1AW/9 was a learning experience and I would never try again. Far too many gave me Too Much Information (TMI) , everything but their hat size !  Never reqlized afer 3 - 4 hours of long macros how annoying they are.  Many times I almost fell asleep during one of those QSOs and other times I wanted to scream at them.

Don't think this will ever be fixed.''


Jerry  N9AVY





From: "tsingle@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [070] T19/3Z9DX on 20m

 
<

That is one of my enduring mysteries with regards to amateur radio-using macros including their shoe size in DX.   I truly don't understand the negligence and/or ignorance of some OPs in handling DX contacts.  It is just about a universal phenomenon with DX PSK operations, so we see few DXpeditions that will "risk" operating PSK and greatly lowering their run rate.

On the other hand, I have never, personally, seen/heard a verbose CW DX exchange or even such a RTTY exchange.  (Almost) Always crisp and in rhythm.  I don't know what we can infer about the OPs population from that observation.

Tom
K8TOM











Re: T19/3Z9DX on 20m

 

Everybody's different.


Milt.

N6MG

070-650

LONP #650




Re: T19/3Z9DX on 20m

Robert Johnstone
 

great! now I have to add shoe size and hat size to my lid tx macro. Robert kd0fip



From: "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...>
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [070] T19/3Z9DX on 20m

 
After the fiasco of operating W1AW/9 here in Illinois last December, I concluded that 50% of PSK OPS are dumber than dirt when it comes to working special events and DX station !

They are so used to run the usual macro format that they know nothing else.  Many are just interested in getting that QSO and have no consideration for others nor the Q rate of the special event/DX station. Mostly this is a matter of education and that may be a difficult problem reaching all those stations.

Tom is absolutely right about DX stations unwilling to take the chance with ruining their Q rate (number of QSOs per hour). With all those long macros a typical QSO rate might be 12 per hour; typically in a 48 hour weekend that would be 576 QSOs. Allowing for QRM, pileups and band conditions that 576 would be a much lower figure.  For a full blown 2-week DXpedition the best they could hope for would be a little over 7700 QSOs. To a DXpedition like the recent Navassa Is. group which made well over 100,000 QSOs in 2 weeks this 7700 is a very dismal number.   This is why DXpeditions aren't willing to try PSK31 operation ! It's all about the numbers.  The will do SSB, CW and RTTY where QSOs run faster and OPs know how to get in and out quickly.

PSK31 is great for ragchewing, but I doubt that it will ever be a serious DX mode because of ops who insist on sending long macros. 

The time I spent as W1AW/9 was a learning experience and I would never try again. Far too many gave me Too Much Information (TMI) , everything but their hat size !  Never reqlized afer 3 - 4 hours of long macros how annoying they are.  Many times I almost fell asleep during one of those QSOs and other times I wanted to scream at them.

Don't think this will ever be fixed.''


Jerry  N9AVY





From: "tsingle@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [070] T19/3Z9DX on 20m

 
<>

That is one of my enduring mysteries with regards to amateur radio-using macros including their shoe size in DX.   I truly don't understand the negligence and/or ignorance of some OPs in handling DX contacts.  It is just about a universal phenomenon with DX PSK operations, so we see few DXpeditions that will "risk" operating PSK and greatly lowering their run rate.

On the other hand, I have never, personally, seen/heard a verbose CW DX exchange or even such a RTTY exchange.  (Almost) Always crisp and in rhythm.  I don't know what we can infer about the OPs population from that observation.

Tom
K8TOM









Re: N4DAB

Martin Tuip
 

Nice to hear from the person on the other side. I was struggling at one point to copy you as there was a California station that was basically blanking out the band unfortunately, but when it didn’t transmit you had an amazing signal here in the PNW.  Thanks for the QSO 
 
 
Martin
 
 

Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:42 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] N4DAB
 
 

Martin
That was me operating. Nice corner to corner QSO.
N4DAB will be on 20m tomorrow 1800-2000utc. I am hoping for an opening on 10 & 12 tomorrow or Friday. If so N4DAB will have logged Qs on 10-80 this week. No 160 here...but one of the other guys might put out a CQ on 160.
BTW...N4DAB is 070 member 1755.
I hope you guys are having as much fun as I am.
73
Paul NU4C

"'Martin Tuip' ajax@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:

 

 
The Daytona 500 special event station is on 15M right now.
 
 
Martin
KG7HAX


Re: N4DAB

Paul Milward <nu4c@...>
 

Martin
That was me operating. Nice corner to corner QSO.
N4DAB will be on 20m tomorrow 1800-2000utc. I am hoping for an opening on 10 & 12 tomorrow or Friday. If so N4DAB will have logged Qs on 10-80 this week. No 160 here...but one of the other guys might put out a CQ on 160.
BTW...N4DAB is 070 member 1755.
I hope you guys are having as much fun as I am.
73
Paul NU4C

"'Martin Tuip' ajax@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:

 

 
The Daytona 500 special event station is on 15M right now.
 
 
Martin
KG7HAX


Re: N9AVY & N6MG Keyboard QSO

boat.anchor@...
 


Milt forgot the eye drops and was working Jerry off the back of the beam.
Barry


---In 070@..., <pegduck56@...> wrote :

strange, but I could not see Milt's side from here. Copied Jerry about 98%, then 15 went belly up

oh, p.s for Jerry, it was 67 degrees outside the shack window...gotta get my shorts out tomorrow !

73, Ted
K7TRK


On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 4:51 PM, "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:


 
You can't take a joke ?  That's what you get when you ask "QRL ?"....  Yup, the only macro I used was fer the call sign exchanges.  That was different. Sloppy typing on my end because I'm a lousy typist...

73

Jerry  N9AVY


From: "n6mg@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:36 PM
Subject: [070] N9AVY & N6MG Keyboard QSO

 
Jerry and I just had a nice rag chew on 15m that was about 95% via keyboard! Only used macro's for call's etc.
Looking back, Jerry, you gave me an rsq of 119? I guess that happens when doing all keyboard...hi hi...
We'll do it again soon.
73,
Milt.
N6MG
070-650
LONP #76





Re: T19/3Z9DX on 20m

David, K9DWR
 

* Dan Morris dbmorris315@... [070] <070@...> [2015-02-18 20:43]:
That is a great idea but maybe instead of general macros for a specific program just list a set of macros that anyone could make up or copy/edit into their own program macros.
That would be a lot better for folks that aren't using HRD :-)

--
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...


Re: N9AVY & N6MG Keyboard QSO

Jerry N9AVY
 

That's 60 degrees warmer than here !


From: "Ted pegduck56@... [070]" <070@...>
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [070] N9AVY & N6MG Keyboard QSO

 
strange, but I could not see Milt's side from here. Copied Jerry about 98%, then 15 went belly up

oh, p.s for Jerry, it was 67 degrees outside the shack window...gotta get my shorts out tomorrow !

73, Ted
K7TRK


On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 4:51 PM, "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:


 
You can't take a joke ?  That's what you get when you ask "QRL ?"....  Yup, the only macro I used was fer the call sign exchanges.  That was different. Sloppy typing on my end because I'm a lousy typist...

73

Jerry  N9AVY


From: "n6mg@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:36 PM
Subject: [070] N9AVY & N6MG Keyboard QSO

 
Jerry and I just had a nice rag chew on 15m that was about 95% via keyboard! Only used macro's for call's etc.
Looking back, Jerry, you gave me an rsq of 119? I guess that happens when doing all keyboard...hi hi...
We'll do it again soon.
73,
Milt.
N6MG
070-650
LONP #76







Re: N9AVY & N6MG Keyboard QSO

Ted <pegduck56@...>
 

strange, but I could not see Milt's side from here. Copied Jerry about 98%, then 15 went belly up

oh, p.s for Jerry, it was 67 degrees outside the shack window...gotta get my shorts out tomorrow !

73, Ted
K7TRK


On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 4:51 PM, "Jerry n9avy@... [070]" <070@...> wrote:


 
You can't take a joke ?  That's what you get when you ask "QRL ?"....  Yup, the only macro I used was fer the call sign exchanges.  That was different. Sloppy typing on my end because I'm a lousy typist...

73

Jerry  N9AVY


From: "n6mg@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:36 PM
Subject: [070] N9AVY & N6MG Keyboard QSO

 
Jerry and I just had a nice rag chew on 15m that was about 95% via keyboard! Only used macro's for call's etc.
Looking back, Jerry, you gave me an rsq of 119? I guess that happens when doing all keyboard...hi hi...
We'll do it again soon.
73,
Milt.
N6MG
070-650
LONP #76





Re: T19/3Z9DX on 20m

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

That is a great idea but maybe instead of general macros for a specific program just list a set of macros that anyone could make up or copy/edit into their own program macros.

Dan Morris. KZ3T

On Feb 18, 2015, at 6:24 PM, 'Martin Tuip' ajax@... [070] <070@...> wrote:

 

I probably was one of those stations once .. I see new people very often and I as well stumbled and still stumble sometimes with clicks.  I do have created a contest set of scripts but I don’t think mine are good enough.  What I think would really help is if the club or anyone could make updated macros available for HRD which seems to be the most that I see people use.  Make the XML file available as a link on the website and see how it could improve peoples behavior.
 
We all got started somewhere and sometimes people just don’t know any better and only by helping will it improve
 
My 2 cents
 
Martin
 
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 3:14 PM
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] T19/3Z9DX on 20m
 
 


One thing that I see from time to time is that a inexperienced station calling CQ will turn control of the QSO over to me by responding to my answer macro with an answer macro of his own rather than sending his exchange macro. That is just a waste of time and bandwidth. 
 
Upon receiving his answer macro, I will give my exchange macro and then wait for his exchange macro. At that point I will conclude the QSO, for fear that he will send a long station/weather macro. Some send the long macro even after I have signed off "gl 73 sk sk".

Ray N9RWC 
 
------ Original Message ------
Received: 04:24 PM CST, 02/18/2015
drom: "Radio radio@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Subject: Re: [070] T19/3Z9DX on 20m


 

The macro sets really make it easy.  I have DX, contest and RTTY sets to go with my general QSO set.  How hard is it to set that up?  Very east to switch between then when fishing around in the waterfall.

 
A lot of newbies aren’t familiar with the concept that the calling station sets the pace and tone of the QSO.  Perhaps it seems easy to me because I just watched the waterfall for a year before ever hitting the TX button.
 
The other thing is OPs that are unaware of the language skills of the calling station.  I’ve seen people use all kinds of vernacular with stations that obviously have limited skills in English.
 
73 de Eric, KG6MZS
 
 
 
 
On Feb 18, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Les Alverson kd4sfd2@... [070] <070@...> wrote:
 

That is why I have several sets.  One for PODXS contests, one for FH contests, and another for general QSO's.

Les k4lea 1746 lonp 272

 

 


Re: N9AVY & N6MG Keyboard QSO

Jerry N9AVY
 

You can't take a joke ?  That's what you get when you ask "QRL ?"....  Yup, the only macro I used was fer the call sign exchanges.  That was different. Sloppy typing on my end because I'm a lousy typist...

73

Jerry  N9AVY


From: "n6mg@... [070]" <070@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:36 PM
Subject: [070] N9AVY & N6MG Keyboard QSO

 
Jerry and I just had a nice rag chew on 15m that was about 95% via keyboard! Only used macro's for call's etc.
Looking back, Jerry, you gave me an rsq of 119? I guess that happens when doing all keyboard...hi hi...
We'll do it again soon.
73,
Milt.
N6MG
070-650
LONP #76



N9AVY & N6MG Keyboard QSO

 

Jerry and I just had a nice rag chew on 15m that was about 95% via keyboard! Only used macro's for call's etc.

Looking back, Jerry, you gave me an rsq of 119? I guess that happens when doing all keyboard...hi hi...

We'll do it again soon.

73,

Milt.

N6MG

070-650

LONP #76


Re: T19/3Z9DX on 20m

David, K9DWR
 

* 'Martin Tuip' ajax@... [070] <070@...> [2015-02-18 15:24]:

We all got started somewhere and sometimes people just don’t know any
better and only by helping will it improve
Martin,

Very true. Sometimes the help is appreciated, sometimes not, but it's
usually the "right thing" to try.


--
David, K9DWR
#1604 LONP #255
david@...