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Antenna Tuners

Mark - N8MNI
 

I am running a TS-2000 in the shack. But mine will not tune my windom on
160M, or 30M. I have been running a Diamond SX-600 meter, and a loaned
Dentron Jr. Monitor Tuner. I am looking to replace this with either the
MFJ-993B, or the LDG KT-100. I would like some user input on these two
tuners. Pro's, Con's, other recommendations.

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73,

N8MNI
Mark Crosbie
London, Ohio
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Re: Annoying things on PSK

Skippyinspace
 

Must admit I'm new to psk but did a lot of reading before sending my first cq call

I will take any advice given

The one thing I have enjoyed so far on psk is calling cq and getting a response which never seams to happen on Ssb with 50w usually for psk I run about 20w

If some one doesn't tell you about what your doing wrong you will never know that your wrong

Ian
2m0bvn

Sent from my iPhone

On 19 Mar 2013, at 21:25, Jerry <n9avy@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I've done some of this "on the air" helping with people who have had wide signals and it's very rewarding when they accept the help. Maybe that's one way to clean up the bands... one station at a time. Reminds me of the thing about "no need to thank me, just pass on what you have learned". If we all help others then it will hopefully spread/

Good point David !

Jerry N9AVY

--- On Tue, 3/19/13, David Rock <david@graniteweb.com> wrote:

As for the "someone is splattering so I just ignore them" tactic, I

personally don't like that at all. I spent 30 minutes just last night

helping someone that was 500Hz wide get his signal under control and he

was very appreciative. Not only did he have no idea he was doing it, he

also got a system that was running a lot cooler. I made a friend AND

made things better for everyone.

If you want people to learn, you have to guide them. You can't just

assume they will figure it out on their own. We were ALL beginners at

some point, and we ALL had help along the way. Sometimes I think we

forget that in our rants. You serve the radio community much better by

taking a little extra time to help fix the problem, rather than ignore

it.

Now if they decide not to listen... that's a whole different ballgame.

I seriously doubt there are many people out there that are deliberately

trying to splatter, though.

--

David, K9DWR

#1604

david@graniteweb.com




Re: Annoying things on PSK

Jerry N9AVY
 

I've done some of this "on the air" helping with people who have had wide signals and it's very rewarding when they accept the help.  Maybe that's one way to clean up the bands... one station at a time.  Reminds me of the thing about "no need to thank me, just pass on what you have learned".   If we all help others then it will hopefully spread/

Good point David !

Jerry  N9AVY

--- On Tue, 3/19/13, David Rock <david@graniteweb.com> wrote:




As for the "someone is splattering so I just ignore them" tactic, I

personally don't like that at all. I spent 30 minutes just last night

helping someone that was 500Hz wide get his signal under control and he

was very appreciative. Not only did he have no idea he was doing it, he

also got a system that was running a lot cooler. I made a friend AND

made things better for everyone.



If you want people to learn, you have to guide them. You can't just

assume they will figure it out on their own. We were ALL beginners at

some point, and we ALL had help along the way. Sometimes I think we

forget that in our rants. You serve the radio community much better by

taking a little extra time to help fix the problem, rather than ignore

it.



Now if they decide not to listen... that's a whole different ballgame.

I seriously doubt there are many people out there that are deliberately

trying to splatter, though.



--

David, K9DWR

#1604

david@graniteweb.com


Re: Annoying things on PSK

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Oh okay, I'll check them out - Thanks

Dan KZ3T


On 3/19/13 5:15 PM, pegduck56 wrote:

both of the companies I mention make multi band end feds

GL, K7TRK


________________________________
From: Dan Morris <dbmorris315@gmail.com <mailto:dbmorris315%40gmail.com>>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [070] Annoying things on PSK




Thanks for info but the endfed I'm talking about on the store on eBay is
actually multiple bands. Since I want to get on all the bands for PSK
(at least 20 - 10M) this antenna might work better than getting an one
for each band.

Dan Morris KZ3T 070-1065
mailto:dbmorris315%40gmail.com

On 3/19/13 4:39 PM, pegduck56 wrote:

Dan, the end fed from Par Electonics works well and you can really
hide the 20m version. RadioWavz also makes end feds, but their balun
is a bit larger than the Par.

GL, K7TRK



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Re: Annoying things on PSK

pegduck56 <pegduck56@...>
 

both of the companies I mention make multi band end feds
 
GL, K7TRK


________________________________
From: Dan Morris <dbmorris315@gmail.com>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [070] Annoying things on PSK


 

Thanks for info but the endfed I'm talking about on the store on eBay is
actually multiple bands. Since I want to get on all the bands for PSK
(at least 20 - 10M) this antenna might work better than getting an one
for each band.

Dan Morris KZ3T 070-1065
mailto:dbmorris315%40gmail.com

On 3/19/13 4:39 PM, pegduck56 wrote:

Dan, the end fed from Par Electonics works well and you can really
hide the 20m version. RadioWavz also makes end feds, but their balun
is a bit larger than the Par.

GL, K7TRK

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Re: Annoying things on PSK

Jerry N9AVY
 

Jonatan ... Er,  Craig ,  you're right on !   Some folks just can't say "good bye" enough times...  they have no idea what SK means.  After I sign with some, they come back to give me their station rundown and send it back to me !

I concur with your assessment of 070 members. They are definitely among the best PSK ops around ! (Everyone pat themselves on the back !)

The other day I was calling CQ on a frequency for quite a while and had a station call me with a Chinese call and then his call.  Went back with another CQ and he answered with my call and his call. Maybe a mistake ? Can't say for sure.  It often seems like people don't read what's on their screen.

Botching someone's name is easy to do when dealing with weak signals and unfamiliar foreign names.  I'd rather leave off the name than insult someone with wrong name; especially in another language when one letter might be a real insult !

There are some DX stations who run outdated databases and I still get them calling me "Jerald" instead of "Jerry" which is what I always send. When in doubt it may be better to just say "Thanks QSO and Bye " rather than screw up.  Some of the city names in other parts of world are difficult to spell (at least for me); so, I just type in country name and move on.

Spreading the word to make better operators is a great idea.  But how ?

jerry  N9AVY

--- On Tue, 3/19/13, my_call_is_ac4m <ac4m@live.com> wrote:

From: my_call_is_ac4m <ac4m@live.com>
Subject: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 12:41 PM
















 









Annoying things to me is giving a 599 report for EVERYONE! What is the use of giving a 599 if it has no meaning, I can understand this practice in contest or working a DXpedition, I think it is a insult in some ways of giving me a 599 then ask to repeat my QTH, name etc..or even get my name wrong, I go by Craig which is my legal middle name and I tell people two times my name is Craig and they say FB 599 Jonathan, that is insulting to me. I could go back to them and ask them are they drunk and they would return to me FB copy Jonathan TU for QSO , It seems like lots and lots of people DO NOT READ their screen at all, is all I can figure, it really makes themselves look stupid to the rest of the world. "I AM ROBOT"



Another annoying thing is people that give me a 73 and I give them my 73 and say QRZ? or something similar, then he/she want to key back up and say bye or something similar again while doing this covering up the next station calling me. I always give them a chance to give their 73 to me it is not like I said 73 to them first type of thing. What is wrong just saying bye the first time and all the pleasant sayings and be done with it.



I am glad the 070 group is educated bunch about PSK procedures and such, I just wish we could get the rest of the world up to speed.



Can you all think of ways to help spread the word? It is ok to

complain about things, but it is even better to do something about it.



--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, David Westbrook <dwestbrook@...> wrote:

It's like they got their license and jumped on digital with zero
experience.
Well, that's exactly what I did!! and nothing wrong with that ...
no prerequisite of doing other parts of the hobby (e.g. cw or ssb) before
any other parts (e.g. digital)
Pretty hard not to start with zero experience :)
Scott -- i think you're right about contest "swatting" -- the CQ'er will
definitely attempt to hold the run freq, and just keep CQ'ing over someone
trying to hijack it. But also in contests it's very clear who the cq'er
is ... and in psk style Q's it's impossible to know unless you were
listening before the qso started.
--david
KJ4IZW
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Jerry <n9avy@...> wrote:
**
Double positive beats my "No se nada nunca !" Hi ! Hi !
Well I am more and more convinced that many PSK operators have never had
any experience with phone/cw and are totally ignorant of proper
procedures. It's like they got their license and jumped on digital with
zero experience. Other than they don't really care about the mess they
create, that's about the only explanation I can come up with.
Just had a station QRM the heck out my QSO with a German station and when
he called me, I just ignored him and QSYed. Think I'll be doing more of
that now.
Just got a couple more hard-earned N's for WTW !
73, Jerry N9AVY
--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...> wrote:
From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@...@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 10:39 AM
In this you are completely correct, Jerry (I like that double positive!).
I have often participated in this type of even in that my answering a
station using my XE call prompts several others to try to work me on the
original station's frequency. If they just moved up or down a little I
would see them and qsy! And for sure, contests are not "real life"!
It is curious that I haven't noticed this on cw or ssb, even in contests,
but I do see it a lot in psk and rtty (which I just recently learned to
operate); maybe because higher wattage often is used and offenders are just
"swatted". I don't remember even seeing this mentioned in other than
digital groups.
73, Scott
________________________________
From: Jerry <n9avy@...>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
In a contest some things are forgivable. But in daily operations they
should be.
Case in point, I still need a bunch of N's for WTW... so, I see a
station with an N suffix calling CQ , I answer him only to be beat out by a
station is Iceland. That's okay because I'll call again. They finish and
then a certain VE2 call the TF station while I'm call the N station. The N
station disappeared and the VE2 & TF station monopolized the frequency. I
think it would have been appropriate had the TF station said "it's not my
frequency " and moved off . That would have been the gentlemanly way to
do it.
Still getting a lot of folks jumping on frequency and calling CQ right on
top of a QSO. It would help if these folks would LISTEN FIRST ! The
excuse that they didn't hear anything doesn't wash. Watching the waterfall
for a few minutes will usually tell if a frequency is in use.
Think I'll start keep a list of offending stations.. sort of a "Do Not
Call" list ... or perhaps a version of the notorious "LID List" (Yes,
there really is one !).
Just my 2 cents worth ...
Jerry N9AVY
--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...> wrote:
From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@...@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 8:09 AM
In the resent contest I was "guilty" of this several times due in part to
bad conditions. I would hear the same call repeated several times but not
be sure who was holding the spot. It sometimes was the other station by
mistake. I would then re-call the spotholder, who often answered. Sure, I
could have waited and waited to be certain, but it was a contest! Taking
things too seriously often leads to throwing stones too quickly.
Scott. XE1/AA0AA
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 19, 2013, at 8:56, "Bill AB9QU" <ab9qu@...> wrote:
I have had stations call me after a QSO when it is not my spot. I don't
answer them and move on
so the original person still has the spot.
Bill ab9qu
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Re: Annoying things on PSK

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Thanks for info but the endfed I'm talking about on the store on eBay is
actually multiple bands. Since I want to get on all the bands for PSK
(at least 20 - 10M) this antenna might work better than getting an one
for each band.

Dan Morris KZ3T 070-1065
dbmorris315@gmail.com

On 3/19/13 4:39 PM, pegduck56 wrote:

Dan, the end fed from Par Electonics works well and you can really
hide the 20m version. RadioWavz also makes end feds, but their balun
is a bit larger than the Par.

GL, K7TRK


Re: Annoying things on PSK

pegduck56 <pegduck56@...>
 

Dan, the end fed from Par Electonics works well and you can really hide the 20m version. RadioWavz also makes end feds, but their balun is a bit larger than the Par.
 
GL, K7TRK


________________________________
From: Dan Morris <dbmorris315@gmail.com>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [070] Annoying things on PSK

Well folks - I agree with just about everything that's been put out on this thread.  I do know that sometimes you just cannot hear the other person regardless. That is always going to happen sooner or later, however, everyone is right, listen, listen, listen (or watch, watch watch the waterfall) --

Now, I am probably one of those (or at least have been) annoying people you are talking about. I still consider myself fairly new at this digital game even though I have been doing it since August of 2009, just not as often as I like.  Don't think I really got going on digital until 2010!  I listened a little and probably not as much as I should have in the beginning. I did have some help with some really nice people (070 members and non-070 members).  Learned about macros and just went off with them.  Then I learned a little more about them and did some tweaking.  Had some people actually send me a picture of what my signal looked like and I felt pretty good about it.  It really was a nice looking signal I must say!!  I even started getting into several contests (mostly 070). Would listen and get the hang of what most were doing as far as calling, answering, etc and would try and apply those procedures and then dove into the contest. 

Now, my macros are set up to send out a 599 signal based on what is in my outgoing RST field.  I must say the majority of signals are 599, however, I again have also learned a lot from these threads and from others on the bands and have since adjusted my RST in the data field accordingly so when I give out the sig report it will give the 569 or 549 or 449 or whatever.  Sometimes I do get going and forget to make the change and send out the 599 and then kick myself in the butt!! hihi ---

So, keep these threads a coming as we all do learn from them even though I'm pretty sure most all of us try to do what is right it don't always happen that way.    So, Jerry, please , if you see me doing something wrong let me know and keep me on your good list!! hihi --  Enough rambling and as soon as I get me an antenna up at this apartment I hope to get on the air soon.  I'm thinking of tapping into the rain gutter and trying the gutter antenna method.  It is about 50 - 60 feet high and approx 10 - 15 feet long so it might be worth trying.  Then I'm going to try the endfed antenna from the guy on ebay Bruce, NU0R.  So, we'll see what happens.

Dan Morris  KZ3T  070-1065
dbmorris315@gmail.com



On Mar 19, 2013, at 1:41 PM, my_call_is_ac4m wrote:

Annoying things to me is giving a 599 report for EVERYONE! What is the use of giving a 599 if it has no meaning, I can understand this practice in contest or working a DXpedition, I think it is a insult in some ways of giving me a 599 then ask to repeat my QTH, name etc..or even get my name wrong, I go by Craig which is my legal middle name and I tell people two times my name is Craig and they say FB 599 Jonathan, that is insulting to me. I could go back to them and ask them are they drunk and they would return to me FB copy Jonathan TU for QSO , It seems like lots and lots of people DO NOT READ their screen at all, is all I can figure, it really makes themselves look stupid to the rest of the world. "I AM ROBOT"

Another annoying thing is people that give me a 73 and I give them my 73 and say QRZ? or something similar, then he/she want to key back up and say bye or something similar again while doing this covering up the next station calling me. I always give them a chance to give their 73 to me it is not like I said 73 to them first type of thing. What is wrong just saying bye the first time and all the pleasant sayings and be done with it.

I am glad the 070 group is educated bunch about PSK procedures and such, I just wish we could get the rest of the world up to speed.

Can you all think of ways to help spread the word? It is ok to
complain about things, but it is even better to do something about it.

--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, David Westbrook <dwestbrook@...> wrote:

It's like they got their license and jumped on digital with zero
experience.

Well, that's exactly what I did!! and nothing wrong with that ...
no prerequisite of doing other parts of the hobby (e.g. cw or ssb) before
any other parts (e.g. digital)
Pretty hard not to start with zero experience :)



Scott -- i think you're right about contest "swatting" -- the CQ'er will
definitely attempt to hold the run freq, and just keep CQ'ing over someone
trying to hijack it. But also in contests it's very clear who the cq'er
is ... and in psk style Q's it's impossible to know unless you were
listening before the qso started.

--david
KJ4IZW


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Jerry <n9avy@...> wrote:

**


Double positive beats my "No se nada nunca !" Hi ! Hi !

Well I am more and more convinced that many PSK operators have never had
any experience with phone/cw and are totally ignorant of proper
procedures. It's like they got their license and jumped on digital with
zero experience. Other than they don't really care about the mess they
create, that's about the only explanation I can come up with.

Just had a station QRM the heck out my QSO with a German station and when
he called me, I just ignored him and QSYed. Think I'll be doing more of
that now.

Just got a couple more hard-earned N's for WTW !

73, Jerry N9AVY


--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...> wrote:

From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@...@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 10:39 AM




In this you are completely correct, Jerry (I like that double positive!).
I have often participated in this type of even in that my answering a
station using my XE call prompts several others to try to work me on the
original station's frequency. If they just moved up or down a little I
would see them and qsy! And for sure, contests are not "real life"!

It is curious that I haven't noticed this on cw or ssb, even in contests,
but I do see it a lot in psk and rtty (which I just recently learned to
operate); maybe because higher wattage often is used and offenders are just
"swatted". I don't remember even seeing this mentioned in other than
digital groups.

73, Scott

________________________________
From: Jerry <n9avy@...>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
In a contest some things are forgivable. But in daily operations they
should be.

Case in point, I still need a bunch of N's for WTW... so, I see a
station with an N suffix calling CQ , I answer him only to be beat out by a
station is Iceland. That's okay because I'll call again. They finish and
then a certain VE2 call the TF station while I'm call the N station. The N
station disappeared and the VE2 & TF station monopolized the frequency. I
think it would have been appropriate had the TF station said "it's not my
frequency " and moved off . That would have been the gentlemanly way to
do it.

Still getting a lot of folks jumping on frequency and calling CQ right on
top of a QSO. It would help if these folks would LISTEN FIRST ! The
excuse that they didn't hear anything doesn't wash. Watching the waterfall
for a few minutes will usually tell if a frequency is in use.

Think I'll start keep a list of offending stations.. sort of a "Do Not
Call" list ... or perhaps a version of the notorious "LID List" (Yes,
there really is one !).

Just my 2 cents worth ...
Jerry N9AVY
--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...> wrote:
From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@...@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 8:09 AM
In the resent contest I was "guilty" of this several times due in part to
bad conditions. I would hear the same call repeated several times but not
be sure who was holding the spot. It sometimes was the other station by
mistake. I would then re-call the spotholder, who often answered. Sure, I
could have waited and waited to be certain, but it was a contest! Taking
things too seriously often leads to throwing stones too quickly.

Scott. XE1/AA0AA
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 19, 2013, at 8:56, "Bill AB9QU" <ab9qu@...> wrote:
I have had stations call me after a QSO when it is not my spot. I don't
answer them and move on
so the original person still has the spot.
Bill ab9qu
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Re: Annoying things on PSK

Dan Morris - KZ3T
 

Well folks - I agree with just about everything that's been put out on this thread. I do know that sometimes you just cannot hear the other person regardless. That is always going to happen sooner or later, however, everyone is right, listen, listen, listen (or watch, watch watch the waterfall) --

Now, I am probably one of those (or at least have been) annoying people you are talking about. I still consider myself fairly new at this digital game even though I have been doing it since August of 2009, just not as often as I like. Don't think I really got going on digital until 2010! I listened a little and probably not as much as I should have in the beginning. I did have some help with some really nice people (070 members and non-070 members). Learned about macros and just went off with them. Then I learned a little more about them and did some tweaking. Had some people actually send me a picture of what my signal looked like and I felt pretty good about it. It really was a nice looking signal I must say!! I even started getting into several contests (mostly 070). Would listen and get the hang of what most were doing as far as calling, answering, etc and would try and apply those procedures and then dove into the contest.

Now, my macros are set up to send out a 599 signal based on what is in my outgoing RST field. I must say the majority of signals are 599, however, I again have also learned a lot from these threads and from others on the bands and have since adjusted my RST in the data field accordingly so when I give out the sig report it will give the 569 or 549 or 449 or whatever. Sometimes I do get going and forget to make the change and send out the 599 and then kick myself in the butt!! hihi ---

So, keep these threads a coming as we all do learn from them even though I'm pretty sure most all of us try to do what is right it don't always happen that way. So, Jerry, please , if you see me doing something wrong let me know and keep me on your good list!! hihi -- Enough rambling and as soon as I get me an antenna up at this apartment I hope to get on the air soon. I'm thinking of tapping into the rain gutter and trying the gutter antenna method. It is about 50 - 60 feet high and approx 10 - 15 feet long so it might be worth trying. Then I'm going to try the endfed antenna from the guy on ebay Bruce, NU0R. So, we'll see what happens.

Dan Morris KZ3T 070-1065
dbmorris315@gmail.com

On Mar 19, 2013, at 1:41 PM, my_call_is_ac4m wrote:

Annoying things to me is giving a 599 report for EVERYONE! What is the use of giving a 599 if it has no meaning, I can understand this practice in contest or working a DXpedition, I think it is a insult in some ways of giving me a 599 then ask to repeat my QTH, name etc..or even get my name wrong, I go by Craig which is my legal middle name and I tell people two times my name is Craig and they say FB 599 Jonathan, that is insulting to me. I could go back to them and ask them are they drunk and they would return to me FB copy Jonathan TU for QSO , It seems like lots and lots of people DO NOT READ their screen at all, is all I can figure, it really makes themselves look stupid to the rest of the world. "I AM ROBOT"

Another annoying thing is people that give me a 73 and I give them my 73 and say QRZ? or something similar, then he/she want to key back up and say bye or something similar again while doing this covering up the next station calling me. I always give them a chance to give their 73 to me it is not like I said 73 to them first type of thing. What is wrong just saying bye the first time and all the pleasant sayings and be done with it.

I am glad the 070 group is educated bunch about PSK procedures and such, I just wish we could get the rest of the world up to speed.

Can you all think of ways to help spread the word? It is ok to
complain about things, but it is even better to do something about it.

--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, David Westbrook <dwestbrook@...> wrote:

It's like they got their license and jumped on digital with zero
experience.

Well, that's exactly what I did!! and nothing wrong with that ...
no prerequisite of doing other parts of the hobby (e.g. cw or ssb) before
any other parts (e.g. digital)
Pretty hard not to start with zero experience :)



Scott -- i think you're right about contest "swatting" -- the CQ'er will
definitely attempt to hold the run freq, and just keep CQ'ing over someone
trying to hijack it. But also in contests it's very clear who the cq'er
is ... and in psk style Q's it's impossible to know unless you were
listening before the qso started.

--david
KJ4IZW


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Jerry <n9avy@...> wrote:

**


Double positive beats my "No se nada nunca !" Hi ! Hi !

Well I am more and more convinced that many PSK operators have never had
any experience with phone/cw and are totally ignorant of proper
procedures. It's like they got their license and jumped on digital with
zero experience. Other than they don't really care about the mess they
create, that's about the only explanation I can come up with.

Just had a station QRM the heck out my QSO with a German station and when
he called me, I just ignored him and QSYed. Think I'll be doing more of
that now.

Just got a couple more hard-earned N's for WTW !

73, Jerry N9AVY


--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...> wrote:

From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@...@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 10:39 AM




In this you are completely correct, Jerry (I like that double positive!).
I have often participated in this type of even in that my answering a
station using my XE call prompts several others to try to work me on the
original station's frequency. If they just moved up or down a little I
would see them and qsy! And for sure, contests are not "real life"!

It is curious that I haven't noticed this on cw or ssb, even in contests,
but I do see it a lot in psk and rtty (which I just recently learned to
operate); maybe because higher wattage often is used and offenders are just
"swatted". I don't remember even seeing this mentioned in other than
digital groups.

73, Scott

________________________________
From: Jerry <n9avy@...>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
In a contest some things are forgivable. But in daily operations they
should be.

Case in point, I still need a bunch of N's for WTW... so, I see a
station with an N suffix calling CQ , I answer him only to be beat out by a
station is Iceland. That's okay because I'll call again. They finish and
then a certain VE2 call the TF station while I'm call the N station. The N
station disappeared and the VE2 & TF station monopolized the frequency. I
think it would have been appropriate had the TF station said "it's not my
frequency " and moved off . That would have been the gentlemanly way to
do it.

Still getting a lot of folks jumping on frequency and calling CQ right on
top of a QSO. It would help if these folks would LISTEN FIRST ! The
excuse that they didn't hear anything doesn't wash. Watching the waterfall
for a few minutes will usually tell if a frequency is in use.

Think I'll start keep a list of offending stations.. sort of a "Do Not
Call" list ... or perhaps a version of the notorious "LID List" (Yes,
there really is one !).

Just my 2 cents worth ...
Jerry N9AVY
--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...> wrote:
From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@...@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 8:09 AM
In the resent contest I was "guilty" of this several times due in part to
bad conditions. I would hear the same call repeated several times but not
be sure who was holding the spot. It sometimes was the other station by
mistake. I would then re-call the spotholder, who often answered. Sure, I
could have waited and waited to be certain, but it was a contest! Taking
things too seriously often leads to throwing stones too quickly.

Scott. XE1/AA0AA
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 19, 2013, at 8:56, "Bill AB9QU" <ab9qu@...> wrote:
I have had stations call me after a QSO when it is not my spot. I don't
answer them and move on
so the original person still has the spot.
Bill ab9qu
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Re: Annoying things on PSK

Larry
 

I agree, there a lot of folks who just do not monitor.makes me want to make a macro that says:
 
“HEY!” You blind…or do you just not look at the waterfall before you transmit???
 I counted 4 or 5 times in the St. Pat's Day contest, I answered a 'CQ' only
to find another station calling 'CQ' on top of the
station.
 
If you want to call ‘CQ’,  monitor the frequency. As stated earlier ,
I wait a minimum of 1 minute, maybe longer. Yes, even in
contests.
If you want to call another station…monitor him and make sure
he is not in QSO with another station.
 
Remember, tis’ far, far, better you monitor the waterfall, than to make
Jerry’s ‘Lid’ list!
 
With all the complaining that goes on, I like to think there is a better
class of folks on PSK31 than some I have heard on SSB.
 
Larry WA7HDZ 404


From: Jerry <n9avy@sbcglobal.net>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK

In a contest some things are forgivable.  But in daily operations they should be.

Case in point, I still need a bunch of N's for WTW...   so, I see a station with an N suffix calling CQ , I answer him only to be beat out by a station is Iceland.  That's okay because I'll call again.  They finish and then a certain VE2 call the TF station while I'm call the N station.  The N station disappeared and the VE2 & TF station monopolized the frequency.   I think it would have been appropriate had the TF station said "it's not my frequency " and moved off .   That would have been the gentlemanly way to do it.

Still getting a lot of folks jumping on frequency and calling CQ right on top of a QSO. It would help if these folks would LISTEN FIRST !    The excuse that they didn't hear anything doesn't wash.  Watching the waterfall for a few minutes will usually tell if a frequency is in use.

Think I'll start keep a list of offending stations.. sort of a "Do Not Call" list  ... or perhaps a version of the notorious "LID List"  (Yes, there really is one !).

Just my 2 cents worth ...

Jerry  N9AVY

--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@yahoogroups.com" <070@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 8:09 AM
















 



 


   
     
     
      In the resent contest I was "guilty" of this several times due in part to bad conditions. I would hear the same call repeated several times but not be sure who was holding the spot. It sometimes was the other station by mistake. I would then re-call the spotholder, who often answered. Sure, I could have waited and waited to be certain, but it was a contest!  Taking things too seriously often leads to throwing stones too quickly.

Scott. XE1/AA0AA



Sent from my iPhone



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I have had stations call me after a QSO when it is not my spot. I don't
answer them and move on
so the original person still has the spot.
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Re: Annoying things on PSK

David, K9DWR
 

* Jerry <n9avy@sbcglobal.net> [2013-03-19 08:49]:
Double positive beats my "No se nada nunca !"�� Hi !� Hi !

Well I am more and more convinced that many PSK operators have never
had any experience with phone/cw and are totally ignorant of proper
procedures.� It's like they got their� license and jumped on digital
with zero experience.� Other than they don't really care about the
mess they create, that's about the only explanation I can come up
with.
That's exactly what I did, and I don't think I'm doing too poorly in the
"proper procedures" category. You learn a lot by listening first.
Experience in other modes is not a prerequisite for good behavior, but
common sense is. I started in HF with PSK because it's relatively cheap
and doesn't take much power (doing a lot with a little), and I love it.
I would assume a lot of new folks, especially, are starting in digital.

As for the "someone is splattering so I just ignore them" tactic, I
personally don't like that at all. I spent 30 minutes just last night
helping someone that was 500Hz wide get his signal under control and he
was very appreciative. Not only did he have no idea he was doing it, he
also got a system that was running a lot cooler. I made a friend AND
made things better for everyone.

If you want people to learn, you have to guide them. You can't just
assume they will figure it out on their own. We were ALL beginners at
some point, and we ALL had help along the way. Sometimes I think we
forget that in our rants. You serve the radio community much better by
taking a little extra time to help fix the problem, rather than ignore
it.

Now if they decide not to listen... that's a whole different ballgame.
I seriously doubt there are many people out there that are deliberately
trying to splatter, though.

--
David, K9DWR
#1604
david@graniteweb.com


Re: Annoying things on PSK

N9JCA-Chris <n9jca.us@...>
 

They are probably using HRD, which spits out everything from QRZ. I have
the same Problem I go by Chris, and I can tell when an operator is using
HRD because I am called Christopher in their replies My 2c worth
N9JCA-Chris PODXS#797 LONP#165

"I am always doing that which I CANNOT do in order I may LEARN how to do it"

On 03/19/2013 12:41 PM, my_call_is_ac4m wrote:

Annoying things to me is giving a 599 report for EVERYONE! What is the
use of giving a 599 if it has no meaning, I can understand this
practice in contest or working a DXpedition, I think it is a insult in
some ways of giving me a 599 then ask to repeat my QTH, name etc..or
even get my name wrong, I go by Craig which is my legal middle name
and I tell people two times my name is Craig and they say FB 599
Jonathan, that is insulting to me. I could go back to them and ask
them are they drunk and they would return to me FB copy Jonathan TU
for QSO , It seems like lots and lots of people DO NOT READ their
screen at all, is all I can figure, it really makes themselves look
stupid to the rest of the world. "I AM ROBOT"

Another annoying thing is people that give me a 73 and I give them my
73 and say QRZ? or something similar, then he/she want to key back up
and say bye or something similar again while doing this covering up
the next station calling me. I always give them a chance to give their
73 to me it is not like I said 73 to them first type of thing. What is
wrong just saying bye the first time and all the pleasant sayings and
be done with it.

I am glad the 070 group is educated bunch about PSK procedures and
such, I just wish we could get the rest of the world up to speed.

Can you all think of ways to help spread the word? It is ok to
complain about things, but it is even better to do something about it.

--- In 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070%40yahoogroups.com>, David
Westbrook <dwestbrook@...> wrote:

It's like they got their license and jumped on digital with zero
experience.

Well, that's exactly what I did!! and nothing wrong with that ...
no prerequisite of doing other parts of the hobby (e.g. cw or ssb)
before
any other parts (e.g. digital)
Pretty hard not to start with zero experience :)



Scott -- i think you're right about contest "swatting" -- the CQ'er will
definitely attempt to hold the run freq, and just keep CQ'ing over
someone
trying to hijack it. But also in contests it's very clear who the cq'er
is ... and in psk style Q's it's impossible to know unless you were
listening before the qso started.

--david
KJ4IZW


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Jerry <n9avy@...> wrote:

**


Double positive beats my "No se nada nunca !" Hi ! Hi !

Well I am more and more convinced that many PSK operators have
never had
any experience with phone/cw and are totally ignorant of proper
procedures. It's like they got their license and jumped on digital
with
zero experience. Other than they don't really care about the mess they
create, that's about the only explanation I can come up with.

Just had a station QRM the heck out my QSO with a German station
and when
he called me, I just ignored him and QSYed. Think I'll be doing
more of
that now.

Just got a couple more hard-earned N's for WTW !

73, Jerry N9AVY


--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...> wrote:

From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@...@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 10:39 AM




In this you are completely correct, Jerry (I like that double
positive!).
I have often participated in this type of even in that my answering a
station using my XE call prompts several others to try to work me
on the
original station's frequency. If they just moved up or down a little I
would see them and qsy! And for sure, contests are not "real life"!

It is curious that I haven't noticed this on cw or ssb, even in
contests,
but I do see it a lot in psk and rtty (which I just recently
learned to
operate); maybe because higher wattage often is used and offenders
are just
"swatted". I don't remember even seeing this mentioned in other than
digital groups.

73, Scott

________________________________
From: Jerry <n9avy@...>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
In a contest some things are forgivable. But in daily operations they
should be.

Case in point, I still need a bunch of N's for WTW... so, I see a
station with an N suffix calling CQ , I answer him only to be beat
out by a
station is Iceland. That's okay because I'll call again. They
finish and
then a certain VE2 call the TF station while I'm call the N
station. The N
station disappeared and the VE2 & TF station monopolized the
frequency. I
think it would have been appropriate had the TF station said "it's
not my
frequency " and moved off . That would have been the gentlemanly
way to
do it.

Still getting a lot of folks jumping on frequency and calling CQ
right on
top of a QSO. It would help if these folks would LISTEN FIRST ! The
excuse that they didn't hear anything doesn't wash. Watching the
waterfall
for a few minutes will usually tell if a frequency is in use.

Think I'll start keep a list of offending stations.. sort of a
"Do Not
Call" list ... or perhaps a version of the notorious "LID List" (Yes,
there really is one !).

Just my 2 cents worth ...
Jerry N9AVY
--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...> wrote:
From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@...@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 8:09 AM
In the resent contest I was "guilty" of this several times due in
part to
bad conditions. I would hear the same call repeated several times
but not
be sure who was holding the spot. It sometimes was the other
station by
mistake. I would then re-call the spotholder, who often answered.
Sure, I
could have waited and waited to be certain, but it was a contest!
Taking
things too seriously often leads to throwing stones too quickly.

Scott. XE1/AA0AA
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 19, 2013, at 8:56, "Bill AB9QU" <ab9qu@...> wrote:
I have had stations call me after a QSO when it is not my spot.
I don't

answer them and move on
so the original person still has the spot.
Bill ab9qu








Re: Annoying things on PSK

Craig AC4M
 

Annoying things to me is giving a 599 report for EVERYONE! What is the use of giving a 599 if it has no meaning, I can understand this practice in contest or working a DXpedition, I think it is a insult in some ways of giving me a 599 then ask to repeat my QTH, name etc..or even get my name wrong, I go by Craig which is my legal middle name and I tell people two times my name is Craig and they say FB 599 Jonathan, that is insulting to me. I could go back to them and ask them are they drunk and they would return to me FB copy Jonathan TU for QSO , It seems like lots and lots of people DO NOT READ their screen at all, is all I can figure, it really makes themselves look stupid to the rest of the world. "I AM ROBOT"

Another annoying thing is people that give me a 73 and I give them my 73 and say QRZ? or something similar, then he/she want to key back up and say bye or something similar again while doing this covering up the next station calling me. I always give them a chance to give their 73 to me it is not like I said 73 to them first type of thing. What is wrong just saying bye the first time and all the pleasant sayings and be done with it.

I am glad the 070 group is educated bunch about PSK procedures and such, I just wish we could get the rest of the world up to speed.

Can you all think of ways to help spread the word? It is ok to
complain about things, but it is even better to do something about it.

--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, David Westbrook <dwestbrook@...> wrote:

It's like they got their license and jumped on digital with zero
experience.

Well, that's exactly what I did!! and nothing wrong with that ...
no prerequisite of doing other parts of the hobby (e.g. cw or ssb) before
any other parts (e.g. digital)
Pretty hard not to start with zero experience :)



Scott -- i think you're right about contest "swatting" -- the CQ'er will
definitely attempt to hold the run freq, and just keep CQ'ing over someone
trying to hijack it. But also in contests it's very clear who the cq'er
is ... and in psk style Q's it's impossible to know unless you were
listening before the qso started.

--david
KJ4IZW


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Jerry <n9avy@...> wrote:

**


Double positive beats my "No se nada nunca !" Hi ! Hi !

Well I am more and more convinced that many PSK operators have never had
any experience with phone/cw and are totally ignorant of proper
procedures. It's like they got their license and jumped on digital with
zero experience. Other than they don't really care about the mess they
create, that's about the only explanation I can come up with.

Just had a station QRM the heck out my QSO with a German station and when
he called me, I just ignored him and QSYed. Think I'll be doing more of
that now.

Just got a couple more hard-earned N's for WTW !

73, Jerry N9AVY


--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...> wrote:

From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@...@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 10:39 AM




In this you are completely correct, Jerry (I like that double positive!).
I have often participated in this type of even in that my answering a
station using my XE call prompts several others to try to work me on the
original station's frequency. If they just moved up or down a little I
would see them and qsy! And for sure, contests are not "real life"!

It is curious that I haven't noticed this on cw or ssb, even in contests,
but I do see it a lot in psk and rtty (which I just recently learned to
operate); maybe because higher wattage often is used and offenders are just
"swatted". I don't remember even seeing this mentioned in other than
digital groups.

73, Scott

________________________________
From: Jerry <n9avy@...>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
In a contest some things are forgivable. But in daily operations they
should be.

Case in point, I still need a bunch of N's for WTW... so, I see a
station with an N suffix calling CQ , I answer him only to be beat out by a
station is Iceland. That's okay because I'll call again. They finish and
then a certain VE2 call the TF station while I'm call the N station. The N
station disappeared and the VE2 & TF station monopolized the frequency. I
think it would have been appropriate had the TF station said "it's not my
frequency " and moved off . That would have been the gentlemanly way to
do it.

Still getting a lot of folks jumping on frequency and calling CQ right on
top of a QSO. It would help if these folks would LISTEN FIRST ! The
excuse that they didn't hear anything doesn't wash. Watching the waterfall
for a few minutes will usually tell if a frequency is in use.

Think I'll start keep a list of offending stations.. sort of a "Do Not
Call" list ... or perhaps a version of the notorious "LID List" (Yes,
there really is one !).

Just my 2 cents worth ...
Jerry N9AVY
--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...> wrote:
From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@...>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@...@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 8:09 AM
In the resent contest I was "guilty" of this several times due in part to
bad conditions. I would hear the same call repeated several times but not
be sure who was holding the spot. It sometimes was the other station by
mistake. I would then re-call the spotholder, who often answered. Sure, I
could have waited and waited to be certain, but it was a contest! Taking
things too seriously often leads to throwing stones too quickly.

Scott. XE1/AA0AA
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 19, 2013, at 8:56, "Bill AB9QU" <ab9qu@...> wrote:
I have had stations call me after a QSO when it is not my spot. I don't
answer them and move on
so the original person still has the spot.
Bill ab9qu
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Re: Annoying things on PSK

Jerry N9AVY
 

There is nothing wrong with starting out with zero experience if you learn by doing, but some people pick up bad habits along the way.  Tail-ending is one of them. If one calls a station after the QSO has finished his QSO that's acceptable, BUT make sure both stations have finished QSO - DON'T GUESS !   I find it very annoying when I get a lot of info chopped off because another station started calling ! It's rude.

In some parts of Europe and the world, it's a prerequisite to be an SWL for some time before you can get a ham license.  Confirmation (QSLs) need to be presented before license will be issued.  There is a lot to be said for just listening and learning.

There are those who can learn by their mistakes and that's okay, but there are others who never seem to learn and continue with their bad habits.

I must confess that I've engaged in "swatting" over the years in contests. I would (in SSB) just turn on the voice keyer with no delay and walk off to get a sandwich and something to drink. When I came back several minutes later, the frequency would be clear. This was a bad habit I soon stopped, but it was effective.   Can't let those "big gun" types push you around just because they're running more power and bigger antennas !  

Jerry  N9AVY

--- On Tue, 3/19/13, David Westbrook <dwestbrook@gmail.com> wrote:

From: David Westbrook <dwestbrook@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 11:00 AM

   It's like they got their  license and jumped on digital with zero
experience.

Well, that's exactly what I did!!  and nothing wrong with that ...
no prerequisite of doing other parts of the hobby (e.g. cw or ssb) before
any other parts (e.g. digital)
Pretty hard not to start with zero experience :)



Scott -- i think you're right about contest "swatting" -- the CQ'er will
definitely attempt to hold the run freq, and just keep CQ'ing over someone
trying to hijack it.   But also in contests it's very clear who the cq'er
is ... and in psk style Q's it's impossible to know unless you were
listening before the qso started.

--david
KJ4IZW


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Jerry <n9avy@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

**


Double positive beats my "No se nada nunca !"   Hi !  Hi !

Well I am more and more convinced that many PSK operators have never had
any experience with phone/cw and are totally ignorant of proper
procedures.  It's like they got their  license and jumped on digital with
zero experience.  Other than they don't really care about the mess they
create, that's about the only explanation I can come up with.

Just had a station QRM the heck out my QSO with a German station and when
he called me, I just ignored him and QSYed.  Think I'll be doing more of
that now.

Just got a couple more hard-earned N's for WTW !

73,  Jerry  N9AVY


--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@yahoogroups.com070@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 10:39 AM




In this you are completely correct, Jerry (I like that double positive!).
I have often participated in this type of even in that my answering a
station using my XE call prompts several others to try to work me on the
original station's frequency.  If they just moved up or down a little I
would see them and qsy!  And for sure, contests are not "real life"!

It is curious that I haven't noticed this on cw or ssb, even in contests,
but I do see it a lot in psk and rtty (which I just recently learned to
operate); maybe because higher wattage often is used and offenders are just
"swatted".  I don't remember even seeing this mentioned in other than
digital groups.

73, Scott

________________________________
From: Jerry <n9avy@sbcglobal.net>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
In a contest some things are forgivable.  But in daily operations they
should be.

Case in point, I still need a bunch of N's for WTW...   so, I see a
station with an N suffix calling CQ , I answer him only to be beat out by a
station is Iceland.  That's okay because I'll call again.  They finish and
then a certain VE2 call the TF station while I'm call the N station.  The N
station disappeared and the VE2 & TF station monopolized the frequency.   I
think it would have been appropriate had the TF station said "it's not my
frequency " and moved off .   That would have been the gentlemanly way to
do it.

Still getting a lot of folks jumping on frequency and calling CQ right on
top of a QSO. It would help if these folks would LISTEN FIRST !    The
excuse that they didn't hear anything doesn't wash.  Watching the waterfall
for a few minutes will usually tell if a frequency is in use.

Think I'll start keep a list of offending stations.. sort of a "Do Not
Call" list  ... or perhaps a version of the notorious "LID List"  (Yes,
there really is one !).

Just my 2 cents worth ...
Jerry  N9AVY
--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@yahoogroups.com070@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 8:09 AM
In the resent contest I was "guilty" of this several times due in part to
bad conditions. I would hear the same call repeated several times but not
be sure who was holding the spot. It sometimes was the other station by
mistake. I would then re-call the spotholder, who often answered. Sure, I
could have waited and waited to be certain, but it was a contest! Taking
things too seriously often leads to throwing stones too quickly.

Scott. XE1/AA0AA
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 19, 2013, at 8:56, "Bill AB9QU" <ab9qu@comcast.net> wrote:
I have had stations call me after a QSO when it is not my spot. I don't
answer them and move on
so the original person still has the spot.
Bill ab9qu
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Re: Annoying things on PSK

David Westbrook
 

It's like they got their license and jumped on digital with zero
experience.

Well, that's exactly what I did!! and nothing wrong with that ...
no prerequisite of doing other parts of the hobby (e.g. cw or ssb) before
any other parts (e.g. digital)
Pretty hard not to start with zero experience :)



Scott -- i think you're right about contest "swatting" -- the CQ'er will
definitely attempt to hold the run freq, and just keep CQ'ing over someone
trying to hijack it. But also in contests it's very clear who the cq'er
is ... and in psk style Q's it's impossible to know unless you were
listening before the qso started.

--david
KJ4IZW


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Jerry <n9avy@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

**


Double positive beats my "No se nada nunca !" Hi ! Hi !

Well I am more and more convinced that many PSK operators have never had
any experience with phone/cw and are totally ignorant of proper
procedures. It's like they got their license and jumped on digital with
zero experience. Other than they don't really care about the mess they
create, that's about the only explanation I can come up with.

Just had a station QRM the heck out my QSO with a German station and when
he called me, I just ignored him and QSYed. Think I'll be doing more of
that now.

Just got a couple more hard-earned N's for WTW !

73, Jerry N9AVY


--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@yahoogroups.com070@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 10:39 AM




In this you are completely correct, Jerry (I like that double positive!).
I have often participated in this type of even in that my answering a
station using my XE call prompts several others to try to work me on the
original station's frequency. If they just moved up or down a little I
would see them and qsy! And for sure, contests are not "real life"!

It is curious that I haven't noticed this on cw or ssb, even in contests,
but I do see it a lot in psk and rtty (which I just recently learned to
operate); maybe because higher wattage often is used and offenders are just
"swatted". I don't remember even seeing this mentioned in other than
digital groups.

73, Scott

________________________________
From: Jerry <n9avy@sbcglobal.net>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
In a contest some things are forgivable. But in daily operations they
should be.

Case in point, I still need a bunch of N's for WTW... so, I see a
station with an N suffix calling CQ , I answer him only to be beat out by a
station is Iceland. That's okay because I'll call again. They finish and
then a certain VE2 call the TF station while I'm call the N station. The N
station disappeared and the VE2 & TF station monopolized the frequency. I
think it would have been appropriate had the TF station said "it's not my
frequency " and moved off . That would have been the gentlemanly way to
do it.

Still getting a lot of folks jumping on frequency and calling CQ right on
top of a QSO. It would help if these folks would LISTEN FIRST ! The
excuse that they didn't hear anything doesn't wash. Watching the waterfall
for a few minutes will usually tell if a frequency is in use.

Think I'll start keep a list of offending stations.. sort of a "Do Not
Call" list ... or perhaps a version of the notorious "LID List" (Yes,
there really is one !).

Just my 2 cents worth ...
Jerry N9AVY
--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@yahoogroups.com070@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 8:09 AM
In the resent contest I was "guilty" of this several times due in part to
bad conditions. I would hear the same call repeated several times but not
be sure who was holding the spot. It sometimes was the other station by
mistake. I would then re-call the spotholder, who often answered. Sure, I
could have waited and waited to be certain, but it was a contest! Taking
things too seriously often leads to throwing stones too quickly.

Scott. XE1/AA0AA
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 19, 2013, at 8:56, "Bill AB9QU" <ab9qu@comcast.net> wrote:
I have had stations call me after a QSO when it is not my spot. I don't
answer them and move on
so the original person still has the spot.
Bill ab9qu
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Re: Annoying things on PSK

Jerry N9AVY
 

Double positive beats my "No se nada nunca !"   Hi !  Hi !

Well I am more and more convinced that many PSK operators have never had any experience with phone/cw and are totally ignorant of proper procedures.  It's like they got their  license and jumped on digital with zero experience.  Other than they don't really care about the mess they create, that's about the only explanation I can come up with.

Just had a station QRM the heck out my QSO with a German station and when he called me, I just ignored him and QSYed.  Think I'll be doing more of that now.

Just got a couple more hard-earned N's for WTW !

73,  Jerry  N9AVY

--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@yahoogroups.com" <070@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 10:39 AM
















 









In this you are completely correct, Jerry (I like that double positive!).  I have often participated in this type of even in that my answering a station using my XE call prompts several others to try to work me on the original station's frequency.  If they just moved up or down a little I would see them and qsy!  And for sure, contests are not "real life"!



It is curious that I haven't noticed this on cw or ssb, even in contests, but I do see it a lot in psk and rtty (which I just recently learned to operate); maybe because higher wattage often is used and offenders are just "swatted".  I don't remember even seeing this mentioned in other than digital groups.



73, Scott



________________________________
From: Jerry <n9avy@sbcglobal.net>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
 
In a contest some things are forgivable.  But in daily operations they should be.
Case in point, I still need a bunch of N's for WTW...   so, I see a station with an N suffix calling CQ , I answer him only to be beat out by a station is Iceland.  That's okay because I'll call again.  They finish and then a certain VE2 call the TF station while I'm call the N station.  The N station disappeared and the VE2 & TF station monopolized the frequency.   I think it would have been appropriate had the TF station said "it's not my frequency " and moved off .   That would have been the gentlemanly way to do it.
Still getting a lot of folks jumping on frequency and calling CQ right on top of a QSO. It would help if these folks would LISTEN FIRST !    The excuse that they didn't hear anything doesn't wash.  Watching the waterfall for a few minutes will usually tell if a frequency is in use.
Think I'll start keep a list of offending stations.. sort of a "Do Not Call" list  ... or perhaps a version of the notorious "LID List"  (Yes, there really is one !).
Just my 2 cents worth ...
Jerry  N9AVY
--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@yahoogroups.com070@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 8:09 AM
 
In the resent contest I was "guilty" of this several times due in part to bad conditions. I would hear the same call repeated several times but not be sure who was holding the spot. It sometimes was the other station by mistake. I would then re-call the spotholder, who often answered. Sure, I could have waited and waited to be certain, but it was a contest! Taking things too seriously often leads to throwing stones too quickly.
Scott. XE1/AA0AA
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 19, 2013, at 8:56, "Bill AB9QU" <ab9qu@comcast.net> wrote:
I have had stations call me after a QSO when it is not my spot. I don't
answer them and move on
so the original person still has the spot.
Bill ab9qu
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Re: Annoying things on PSK

Scott Monks
 

In this you are completely correct, Jerry (I like that double positive!).  I have often participated in this type of even in that my answering a station using my XE call prompts several others to try to work me on the original station's frequency.  If they just moved up or down a little I would see them and qsy!  And for sure, contests are not "real life"!

It is curious that I haven't noticed this on cw or ssb, even in contests, but I do see it a lot in psk and rtty (which I just recently learned to operate); maybe because higher wattage often is used and offenders are just "swatted".  I don't remember even seeing this mentioned in other than digital groups.

73, Scott





________________________________
From: Jerry <n9avy@sbcglobal.net>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK


 
In a contest some things are forgivable.  But in daily operations they should be.

Case in point, I still need a bunch of N's for WTW...   so, I see a station with an N suffix calling CQ , I answer him only to be beat out by a station is Iceland.  That's okay because I'll call again.  They finish and then a certain VE2 call the TF station while I'm call the N station.  The N station disappeared and the VE2 & TF station monopolized the frequency.   I think it would have been appropriate had the TF station said "it's not my frequency " and moved off .   That would have been the gentlemanly way to do it.

Still getting a lot of folks jumping on frequency and calling CQ right on top of a QSO. It would help if these folks would LISTEN FIRST !    The excuse that they didn't hear anything doesn't wash.  Watching the waterfall for a few minutes will usually tell if a frequency is in use.

Think I'll start keep a list of offending stations.. sort of a "Do Not Call" list  ... or perhaps a version of the notorious "LID List"  (Yes, there really is one !).

Just my 2 cents worth ...

Jerry  N9AVY

--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@yahoogroups.com070@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 8:09 AM

 

In the resent contest I was "guilty" of this several times due in part to bad conditions. I would hear the same call repeated several times but not be sure who was holding the spot. It sometimes was the other station by mistake. I would then re-call the spotholder, who often answered. Sure, I could have waited and waited to be certain, but it was a contest! Taking things too seriously often leads to throwing stones too quickly.

Scott. XE1/AA0AA

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2013, at 8:56, "Bill AB9QU" <ab9qu@comcast.net> wrote:

I have had stations call me after a QSO when it is not my spot. I don't
answer them and move on
so the original person still has the spot.
Bill ab9qu
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Re: Annoying things on PSK

Jerry N9AVY
 

In a contest some things are forgivable.  But in daily operations they should be.

Case in point, I still need a bunch of N's for WTW...   so, I see a station with an N suffix calling CQ , I answer him only to be beat out by a station is Iceland.  That's okay because I'll call again.  They finish and then a certain VE2 call the TF station while I'm call the N station.  The N station disappeared and the VE2 & TF station monopolized the frequency.   I think it would have been appropriate had the TF station said "it's not my frequency " and moved off .   That would have been the gentlemanly way to do it.

Still getting a lot of folks jumping on frequency and calling CQ right on top of a QSO. It would help if these folks would LISTEN FIRST !    The excuse that they didn't hear anything doesn't wash.  Watching the waterfall for a few minutes will usually tell if a frequency is in use.

Think I'll start keep a list of offending stations.. sort of a "Do Not Call" list  ... or perhaps a version of the notorious "LID List"  (Yes, there really is one !).

Just my 2 cents worth ...

Jerry  N9AVY

--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Scott Monks <cq_dx_de_aa0aa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: Annoying things on PSK
To: "070@yahoogroups.com" <070@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 8:09 AM
















 









In the resent contest I was "guilty" of this several times due in part to bad conditions. I would hear the same call repeated several times but not be sure who was holding the spot. It sometimes was the other station by mistake. I would then re-call the spotholder, who often answered. Sure, I could have waited and waited to be certain, but it was a contest! Taking things too seriously often leads to throwing stones too quickly.

Scott. XE1/AA0AA



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On Mar 19, 2013, at 8:56, "Bill AB9QU" <ab9qu@comcast.net> wrote:



I have had stations call me after a QSO when it is not my spot. I don't
answer them and move on
so the original person still has the spot.
Bill ab9qu
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Re: Annoying things on PSK

 

I have had stations call me after a QSO when it is not my spot. I don't
answer them and move on

so the original person still has the spot.

Bill ab9qu


Re: Annoying things on PSK

Scott Monks
 

In the resent contest I was "guilty" of this several times due in part to bad conditions. I would hear the same call repeated several times but not be sure who was holding the spot. It sometimes was the other station by mistake. I would then re-call the spotholder, who often answered. Sure, I could have waited and waited to be certain, but it was a contest! Taking things too seriously often leads to throwing stones too quickly.
Scott. XE1/AA0AA

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2013, at 8:56, "Bill AB9QU" <ab9qu@comcast.net> wrote:

I have had stations call me after a QSO when it is not my spot. I don't
answer them and move on

so the original person still has the spot.

Bill ab9qu

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