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Re: RX0L/P

boat.anchor <boat.anchor@...>
 

Jerry
Looks like no IOTA but nice contact never the less.
QUOTE
Island Cruiser (Cruiser) in ether, RR NEW ONE October 3, 2012 12:35
Source: RU0LM | RU0LM@...
From 5 to 7 October 2012 is planned to work RX0L / P from the Island Cruiser (RDA: PK-28, RR-NEW ONE). Island Cruiser (Cruiser Bank) located in the southern part of the North-east coast of Primorye in the picturesque location of the guerrilla zone. Working with Island Cruiser is timed to the 10th anniversary of the founding of the federation radio sports in Nakhodka and 10-th anniversary of the founding of the Radio Club RX0L ex. RX0LYP "RUSSIAN EXTREME".
He plans to work on all amateur bands (except 160 m).
Armament: 2 generator power of 2.5 kW and 2, Transceivers Japanese, 1 amp to 500 watts, antenna: INV "V" -3,5; 7, 10. XL-222 for the 14, 18, 21, 24, 28 MHz.
In conducting the anniversary celebration in the Bay Trehozerya and work with the island cruiser involved the following stations: Nakhodka - RU0LM Alexander (RXC # 1), RA0LFN Andrew (RXC # 2), RA0LHI Sergei (RXC # 3), UA0LCW Vladimir (RXC # 87) , UB0LEV Kirill (RXC # 91), RA0LME Sergei (RXC # 75), UA0LTE Yuri, RW0LIV Anatoly, RA0LGG Igor (RXC # 53), UA0LSY Alexander (RXC # 65), RW0LAX Victor (RXC # 54), UB0LCC Dmitry ( RXC # 71), UB0LFA Dmitry (RXC # 105), and XYL's family and hams. City Partizansk - RW0LBM Igor (RXC # 10), UB0LFB Edward (RXC # 92). Vladivostok - RU0LW (ex. RW0LCK) Nicholas (RXC # 84) and others ...
Program: 05.10., Friday - the opening of the camp beach Trehozere, checking of equipment, boats, rescue equipment, the selection of the landing site (intelligence) to the island, sauna, communication. 06.10., Saturday - landing on the island, and the deployment of active work in the air, excursions, photo sessions. 07.10. - Minimize the Shack on the island, landing on the beach Trehozere. Summing up the results of the expedition, and radio host ...
As a result of the radio station RX0L / P will issue separate colorful QSL-cards stamped all callsign celebrating the 10th anniversary of the Radio Club "Russian Extreme" and the Fed Nakhodka.
October 6, 2012 while working in the air from the island cruiser, will rise a group of people led by Arkady UB0LET (Nakhodka = RXC # 103) on one of the highest peaks of the Primorsky Territory - Mount Livadia (RDA, altitude 1332 m). At about 14.00 - 15.00 will establish radio communications on VHF frequencies for 145.450/433.020 with everyone hold QSO c UB0LET / P (from the mountain RDA) and the camp radio in the Bay Trehozere.
See you on the air.
PS radio ham, which will hold a RX0L / P Tenth radio receive prizes from the Radio Club RUSSIAN EXTREME ...
The head of the Radio Club RX0L "Russian extreme"
Alexander Morozov, RU0LM, 73!
UNQUOTE
all the best
Barry
VA7GEM/1470

--- In 070@..., Jerry <n9avy@...> wrote:

Bummer !    I, too, was hoping for an IOTA.


Re: RX0L/P

Jerry N9AVY
 

Bummer !    I, too, was hoping for an IOTA.

Jerry  N9AVY

--- On Sat, 10/6/12, melachri <w3hf@...> wrote:

From: melachri <w3hf@...>
Subject: [070] Re: RX0L/P
To: 070@...
Date: Saturday, October 6, 2012, 10:07 AM
















 









A GoogleSearch on "RX0L/P" yielded the following hit:



http://ea1cs.blogspot.com/2012/10/rx0lp-cruiser-is.html



But I don't speak Spanish. So translate.google.com (with a little help from me) says that the main section of the page says:



"Alex RU0LM / October 3, 2012



From 5 to 7 October the RX0L/P station will be active from the Island Cruiser (NO IOTA), RDA Pk-28 and RR (NEW ONE), with a large group of operators on all HF bands other than 160 meters. Cruiser Island is located in the southern part of the northeast coast of Primorye.



This operation is organized to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the founding of the Radio Club RX0L. Contacts will be confirmed with a full color QSL. On 6 October, operators will move the the station to the top of Mt. Livadia (height 1331 meters), where it will operate VHF.



73's, Luis EA1CS"



That would seem to imply that this island doesn't qualify under IOTA rules.



Steve

W3HF



























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Re: RX0L/P

Steve W3HF
 

A GoogleSearch on "RX0L/P" yielded the following hit:

http://ea1cs.blogspot.com/2012/10/rx0lp-cruiser-is.html

But I don't speak Spanish. So translate.google.com (with a little help from me) says that the main section of the page says:

"Alex RU0LM / October 3, 2012

From 5 to 7 October the RX0L/P station will be active from the Island Cruiser (NO IOTA), RDA Pk-28 and RR (NEW ONE), with a large group of operators on all HF bands other than 160 meters. Cruiser Island is located in the southern part of the northeast coast of Primorye.

This operation is organized to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the founding of the Radio Club RX0L. Contacts will be confirmed with a full color QSL. On 6 October, operators will move the the station to the top of Mt. Livadia (height 1331 meters), where it will operate VHF.

73's, Luis EA1CS"

That would seem to imply that this island doesn't qualify under IOTA rules.

Steve
W3HF


Re: RX0L/P

Jerry N9AVY
 

Just searched 425 DX News .. "non travato"  or not found.  Maybe have to wait a week or so to find RX0L/p in print with IOTA #.

Happy hunting !

Jerry  N9AVY

--- On Sat, 10/6/12, Jerry <n9avy@...> wrote:

From: Jerry <n9avy@...>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: RX0L/P
To: 070@...
Date: Saturday, October 6, 2012, 9:01 AM
















 









There was some mention of RX0L/p, but the pages were in Russian and I couldn't translate them.  Browser just kept running and timed out.  Anyhow, that was my best educated guess from my 11th Edition of IOTA Directory.  



You might check online for 425 DX Bulletin  (Italy, but English version) as there is usually IOTA info there for current operations.



Good luck !



Jerry  N9AVY



--- On Sat, 10/6/12, boat.anchor <boat.anchor@...> wrote:



From: boat.anchor <boat.anchor@...>

Subject: [070] Re: RX0L/P

To: 070@...

Date: Saturday, October 6, 2012, 8:55 AM



 



Jerry



TVM



AS-091 is in the NE corner of Sea of Okhotsk - Shelikhova Bay group. This is too far north.



If you go to Google and search for "http://mapcarta.com/25190360" you will find the island about 30Kms from Nakhodka which is the home of RX0L.



From the DX cluster I found the comment " RR-16-13, PK-28 ".



No idea what this means.



Still looking



Barry



VA7GEM/1470



--- In 070@..., Jerry <n9avy@...> wrote:





Checked my IOTA book and there is an R0X Listed for Skala Is. which seems close; so, it's probably AS-091 . 




Other Russia Islands are listed with calls/indicators after IOTA number as R0B, R0K, R0Q, R0Z, R0C, R0l, and R0F




Listed as R0X is also SHELIKHOVA BAY group (=Dobrzhanskogo, Konus, Ptichiy, Rovnyy, Skala, Tretiy, Zubchatyy)   These are AS-091 group islands.




The only other R0X is AS-064  Bering Sea Coast group (=Karaginskiy, , Verkhoturova)






That's all I got !   Good luck with Russian names !




Jerry  N9AVY




--- On Fri, 10/5/12, Milton Garb <n6mg@...> wrote:




From: Milton Garb <n6mg@...>


Subject: Re: [070] RX0L/P


To: 070@...


Date: Friday, October 5, 2012, 11:02 PM


































 




















Barry,




I did a little looking and couldnt find it using the official IOTA lists. That doesnt mean anything other than I couldnt find it.




As I'm sure you know, if it's a fresh water surrounded island, there isnt an IOTA number for it, as in a lot of the Pacific N'West islands, ya know?




Maybe our IOTA Award Manager may have some idea's?




73,




Milt.




N6MG




070-650




LONP #76








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From: boat.anchor




To: 070@...




Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:28 PM




Subject: [070] RX0L/P








Wrkd Vladimir working spec event from Ostrov Skala Kreyser Island




How do I figure out the IOTA




Barry VA7GEM 1470








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Re: RX0L/P

Jerry N9AVY
 

There was some mention of RX0L/p, but the pages were in Russian and I couldn't translate them.  Browser just kept running and timed out.  Anyhow, that was my best educated guess from my 11th Edition of IOTA Directory.  

You might check online for 425 DX Bulletin  (Italy, but English version) as there is usually IOTA info there for current operations.

Good luck !

Jerry  N9AVY

--- On Sat, 10/6/12, boat.anchor <boat.anchor@...> wrote:

From: boat.anchor <boat.anchor@...>
Subject: [070] Re: RX0L/P
To: 070@...
Date: Saturday, October 6, 2012, 8:55 AM
















 









Jerry

TVM



AS-091 is in the NE corner of Sea of Okhotsk - Shelikhova Bay group. This is too far north.



If you go to Google and search for "http://mapcarta.com/25190360" you will find the island about 30Kms from Nakhodka which is the home of RX0L.



From the DX cluster I found the comment " RR-16-13, PK-28 ".

No idea what this means.



Still looking

Barry

VA7GEM/1470



--- In 070@..., Jerry <n9avy@...> wrote:

Checked my IOTA book and there is an R0X Listed for Skala Is. which seems close; so, it's probably AS-091 . 
Other Russia Islands are listed with calls/indicators after IOTA number as R0B, R0K, R0Q, R0Z, R0C, R0l, and R0F
Listed as R0X is also SHELIKHOVA BAY group (=Dobrzhanskogo, Konus, Ptichiy, Rovnyy, Skala, Tretiy, Zubchatyy)   These are AS-091 group islands.
The only other R0X is AS-064  Bering Sea Coast group (=Karaginskiy, , Verkhoturova)
That's all I got !   Good luck with Russian names !
Jerry  N9AVY
--- On Fri, 10/5/12, Milton Garb <n6mg@...> wrote:
From: Milton Garb <n6mg@...>
Subject: Re: [070] RX0L/P
To: 070@...
Date: Friday, October 5, 2012, 11:02 PM
 
Barry,
I did a little looking and couldnt find it using the official IOTA lists. That doesnt mean anything other than I couldnt find it.
As I'm sure you know, if it's a fresh water surrounded island, there isnt an IOTA number for it, as in a lot of the Pacific N'West islands, ya know?
Maybe our IOTA Award Manager may have some idea's?
73,
Milt.
N6MG
070-650
LONP #76
----- Original Message -----
From: boat.anchor
To: 070@...
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:28 PM
Subject: [070] RX0L/P
Wrkd Vladimir working spec event from Ostrov Skala Kreyser Island
How do I figure out the IOTA
Barry VA7GEM 1470
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Re: RX0L/P

boat.anchor <boat.anchor@...>
 

Jerry
TVM

AS-091 is in the NE corner of Sea of Okhotsk - Shelikhova Bay group. This is too far north.

If you go to Google and search for "http://mapcarta.com/25190360" you will find the island about 30Kms from Nakhodka which is the home of RX0L.

From the DX cluster I found the comment " RR-16-13, PK-28 ".
No idea what this means.

Still looking
Barry
VA7GEM/1470

--- In 070@..., Jerry <n9avy@...> wrote:

Checked my IOTA book and there is an R0X Listed for Skala Is. which seems close; so, it's probably AS-091 . 

Other Russia Islands are listed with calls/indicators after IOTA number as R0B, R0K, R0Q, R0Z, R0C, R0l, and R0F

Listed as R0X is also SHELIKHOVA BAY group (=Dobrzhanskogo, Konus, Ptichiy, Rovnyy, Skala, Tretiy, Zubchatyy)   These are AS-091 group islands.

The only other R0X is AS-064  Bering Sea Coast group (=Karaginskiy, , Verkhoturova)


That's all I got !   Good luck with Russian names !

Jerry  N9AVY

--- On Fri, 10/5/12, Milton Garb <n6mg@...> wrote:

From: Milton Garb <n6mg@...>
Subject: Re: [070] RX0L/P
To: 070@...
Date: Friday, October 5, 2012, 11:02 PM
















 









Barry,

I did a little looking and couldnt find it using the official IOTA lists. That doesnt mean anything other than I couldnt find it.

As I'm sure you know, if it's a fresh water surrounded island, there isnt an IOTA number for it, as in a lot of the Pacific N'West islands, ya know?

Maybe our IOTA Award Manager may have some idea's?

73,

Milt.

N6MG

070-650

LONP #76



----- Original Message -----

From: boat.anchor

To: 070@...

Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:28 PM

Subject: [070] RX0L/P



Wrkd Vladimir working spec event from Ostrov Skala Kreyser Island

How do I figure out the IOTA

Barry VA7GEM 1470

































welcome new member

J Budzowski <jbudzowski@...>
 

Pse welcome new 070 Club member Victor RV3YR #1583...73 de Jay N3DQU


Re: RX0L/P

Ted <trkrempa@...>
 

of course, unless Ral finds it, it ain't gonna count for the IOTA endorsement !!  Ral has a sharp eye for these things...
 
GL, K7TRK

From: Jerry <n9avy@...>
To: 070@...
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [070] RX0L/P


 
Checked my IOTA book and there is an R0X Listed for Skala Is. which seems close; so, it's probably AS-091 . 

Other Russia Islands are listed with calls/indicators after IOTA number as R0B, R0K, R0Q, R0Z, R0C, R0l, and R0F

Listed as R0X is also SHELIKHOVA BAY group (=Dobrzhanskogo, Konus, Ptichiy, Rovnyy, Skala, Tretiy, Zubchatyy)   These are AS-091 group islands.

The only other R0X is AS-064  Bering Sea Coast group (=Karaginskiy, , Verkhoturova)

That's all I got !   Good luck with Russian names !

Jerry  N9AVY

--- On Fri, 10/5/12, Milton Garb <mailto:n6mg%40verizon.net> wrote:

From: Milton Garb <mailto:n6mg%40verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [070] RX0L/P
To: mailto:070%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 5, 2012, 11:02 PM

 

Barry,

I did a little looking and couldnt find it using the official IOTA lists. That doesnt mean anything other than I couldnt find it.

As I'm sure you know, if it's a fresh water surrounded island, there isnt an IOTA number for it, as in a lot of the Pacific N'West islands, ya know?

Maybe our IOTA Award Manager may have some idea's?

73,

Milt.

N6MG

070-650

LONP #76

----- Original Message -----

From: boat.anchor

To: mailto:070%40yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:28 PM

Subject: [070] RX0L/P

Wrkd Vladimir working spec event from Ostrov Skala Kreyser Island

How do I figure out the IOTA

Barry VA7GEM 1470

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Re: RX0L/P

Jerry N9AVY
 

Checked my IOTA book and there is an R0X Listed for Skala Is. which seems close; so, it's probably AS-091 . 

Other Russia Islands are listed with calls/indicators after IOTA number as R0B, R0K, R0Q, R0Z, R0C, R0l, and R0F

Listed as R0X is also SHELIKHOVA BAY group (=Dobrzhanskogo, Konus, Ptichiy, Rovnyy, Skala, Tretiy, Zubchatyy)   These are AS-091 group islands.

The only other R0X is AS-064  Bering Sea Coast group (=Karaginskiy, , Verkhoturova)


That's all I got !   Good luck with Russian names !

Jerry  N9AVY

--- On Fri, 10/5/12, Milton Garb <n6mg@...> wrote:

From: Milton Garb <n6mg@...>
Subject: Re: [070] RX0L/P
To: 070@...
Date: Friday, October 5, 2012, 11:02 PM
















 









Barry,

I did a little looking and couldnt find it using the official IOTA lists. That doesnt mean anything other than I couldnt find it.

As I'm sure you know, if it's a fresh water surrounded island, there isnt an IOTA number for it, as in a lot of the Pacific N'West islands, ya know?

Maybe our IOTA Award Manager may have some idea's?

73,

Milt.

N6MG

070-650

LONP #76



----- Original Message -----

From: boat.anchor

To: 070@...

Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:28 PM

Subject: [070] RX0L/P



Wrkd Vladimir working spec event from Ostrov Skala Kreyser Island

How do I figure out the IOTA

Barry VA7GEM 1470



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Re: RX0L/P

 

Barry,
I did a little looking and couldnt find it using the official IOTA lists. That doesnt mean anything other than I couldnt find it.
As I'm sure you know, if it's a fresh water surrounded island, there isnt an IOTA number for it, as in a lot of the Pacific N'West islands, ya know?
Maybe our IOTA Award Manager may have some idea's?
73,
Milt.
N6MG
070-650
LONP #76

----- Original Message -----
From: boat.anchor
To: 070@...
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:28 PM
Subject: [070] RX0L/P



Wrkd Vladimir working spec event from Ostrov Skala Kreyser Island
How do I figure out the IOTA
Barry VA7GEM 1470


Re: RX0L/P

Justin Mattes--KC2GIK
 

Barry try this site:http://www.qsl.net/g3yrc/IOTA/IOTA-Index.htm
Justin KC2GIK 751

On 10/5/2012 11:28 PM, boat.anchor wrote:

Wrkd Vladimir working spec event from Ostrov Skala Kreyser Island
How do I figure out the IOTA
Barry VA7GEM 1470


RX0L/P

boat.anchor <boat.anchor@...>
 

Wrkd Vladimir working spec event from Ostrov Skala Kreyser Island
How do I figure out the IOTA
Barry VA7GEM 1470


BD4HZ on PSK 21071.1

Scott Monks
 

Trying to work them but a small pileup
scott XE1/AA0AA; AA0AA   #1550


Re: Wow ! Anudder envelope from Charlie !!!

boat.anchor <boat.anchor@...>
 

The envelopes are showing up all over the world.
Thanks Charlie

Barry
VA7GEM
1470


Re: ZL7

Jim K5SP
 

I spent a year on Diego Garcia in 1976-77. Operated as WB6EWH/VQ9. That
was during the time that the Seychelle Islands got their independence
from Britain, and the local BritRep did not know how to manage call
signs (prior, call signs were issued by the Seychelles).

Anyway, operating DX from there was chaotic at times, people just do not
listen. I could call QRZ, and a roar came out of the speakers. Tail
Enders got most of the QSO's, At times I could go get a cup of coffee
and still come back to the rig and the roar continued. But it was a
blast, so many years ago that I cannot remember who my qsl manager was,
but he was kept very busy. Paper logs and snail mail.

Jim K5SP

On 10/4/2012 11:38 PM, Jerry wrote:

I was QSL Manager for a couple DX stations back in the 80's. Both
used paper logs and there were notes in the margins saying "NO QSL
!!!". There were only a very small few who got these notes; so, it
wasn't wide spread. I followed the rules as set forth by my clients.

Best on air remark I ever heard was on the first Ducie Is. DXpedition
where I was listening to a couple friends of mine who were there. One
of them had trouble with a certain 7-land station who kept asking if
he was in the log. The reply came back from Ducie Is. that if the
7-station asked once more if he was in log, he wouldn't be. It was
not a threat.

Guess what we're both saying is that DX station makes the rules and if
you don't like them and can't abide with them, then, you go play radio
somewhere else ! If everyone plays by DX stations rules things will
move faster and everyone (well almost) will be happy !

FB on Diego Garcia ... heard it was a real "garden spot" next best DX
QTH I think was Thule or Reykjavik...

-avy

--- On Thu, 10/4/12, Rick Scott <w7psk@...
<mailto:w7psk%40yahoo.com>> wrote:

From: Rick Scott <w7psk@... <mailto:w7psk%40yahoo.com>>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: ZL7
To: 070@... <mailto:070%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 10:59 PM



Actually Jerry I did just that a few times. I was really tough in pile
ups and if you did follow my rules I could run 10-15 a min on SSB. But
there was always a few that were pills. If you broke the rules I
stopped, acknowledge for everyone on the air that I had to stop for
W1XYZ whom can follow rules then I said W1XYZ Ill talk to you so you
will shut up. Oh and W1XYZ you just made the special board here in the
club house where NO STATION here would QSL you. Good Luck in about 2
years when everyone here leaves and your name is removed. Maybe you
will remember how to operate courteous.

Also I was chasing 5 band WAS and asked for Certain states yet several
calls would call on every state. So again I stopped and told them.

If I ever get the chance to be rare DX again I will run my piles the
same way. You have to otherwise the idiots will run all over you.

Oh and where was I

VQ9RS Aug-Dec 1980. Diego Garcia. I worked 20K+ people in the part
time I had to operate while flying intel missions during the Iran
Hostage Crisis. So I wanted to keep the piles going.

Lyle Adrian N6BLN was the best QSL Manager a man could have.




Re: ZL7

Craig AC4M
 

Big problem I have seen with some people using BPSK31 on DXpeditions , people do not understand what Split is too well, Or just get right above the DX station. I have also seen some DXpeditions stations attempting to work people split, then they noticed people on their TX frequencies then they would work those stations on the TX frequency to try to get them off of the TX frequency, which all that did was caused more stations to start calling on the TX frequency. It was a very ugly situation and caused their Q rates to go way down.

Another helpful thing is to use the answering station call two times to counter QRM, QSB moments, also giving RRR if the DXpedition did receive them correctly also indicate how far up to listen just not say UP, up to different hams means different things it seems hi hi, you could say UP 1+ or UP 1khz ,just to educate people on what UP means, maybe later you could then drop that part.

I say for the DXpeditition station could pick off the pile pretty well, using DM780 with super browser option in conjunction with another software and manually type the calls in, That way you would not have to guess as much if you can receive the other station or not and then clicking on the signal to find out there are two different stations on top of each other etc. that might speed up the process up a little. I never tried it myself though.

For BPSK31 vs. 63 thing, I think 63 might shine just a tad better in multipaths, selective fading moments than 31 would, but I have nothing to back that up with, but it seems that way to me. In certain situations 63 might be a little more helpful even though the SNR is lower, seems to always be some sort of trade off with all modes, but over time the mode would show its strong points for the current conditions.

--- In 070@..., Jeff Steinkamp <n7yg@...> wrote:

On 10/04/2012 09:38 PM, Jerry wrote:
I was QSL Manager for a couple DX stations back in the 80's. Both used paper logs and there were notes in the margins saying "NO QSL !!!". There were only a very small few who got these notes; so, it wasn't wide spread. I followed the rules as set forth by my clients.

Best on air remark I ever heard was on the first Ducie Is. DXpedition where I was listening to a couple friends of mine who were there. One of them had trouble with a certain 7-land station who kept asking if he was in the log. The reply came back from Ducie Is. that if the 7-station asked once more if he was in log, he wouldn't be. It was not a threat.

Guess what we're both saying is that DX station makes the rules and if you don't like them and can't abide with them, then, you go play radio somewhere else ! If everyone plays by DX stations rules things will move faster and everyone (well almost) will be happy !

FB on Diego Garcia ... heard it was a real "garden spot" next best DX QTH I think was Thule or Reykjavik...

-avy

I was at Keflavik '83-'84 as KD5YG/TF and HL9YG from '86-87 and yes I
had very strict rules and if you violated them, then you either did not
get in the paper log, or you got on the "list" of no QSL that was sent
back to the QSL manager.

That list of NO QSL is still stapled to the first volume of each of
those logs today.

It's quite interesting to note that the same stations I had problems
with in Iceland, were the same exact stations I had problem with in Korea!!!

Follow the rules set forth by the DX station and this requires listening
for a few to figure out how the DX station is running contacts. I was
trying to run the east coast one evening out of Korea and I called for
stations with 1 or 2 in the call sign. The band was just starting to
open to on the east coast as the sun was coming up. Here comes this
jerk with a 6 in the call. Said he was almost in 2 land - mobile in
eastern PA. No way this bozo was mobile with a 20 over 9 signal in
Korea with the band just opening on the east coast. He is on the list,
outlined in red!!

--
Jeff K. Steinkamp (N7YG)
Tucson, AZ
Scud Missile Coordinates
N32.229 W110.875


Re: ZL7

Jeff Steinkamp
 

On 10/04/2012 09:38 PM, Jerry wrote:
I was QSL Manager for a couple DX stations back in the 80's. Both used paper logs and there were notes in the margins saying "NO QSL !!!". There were only a very small few who got these notes; so, it wasn't wide spread. I followed the rules as set forth by my clients.

Best on air remark I ever heard was on the first Ducie Is. DXpedition where I was listening to a couple friends of mine who were there. One of them had trouble with a certain 7-land station who kept asking if he was in the log. The reply came back from Ducie Is. that if the 7-station asked once more if he was in log, he wouldn't be. It was not a threat.

Guess what we're both saying is that DX station makes the rules and if you don't like them and can't abide with them, then, you go play radio somewhere else ! If everyone plays by DX stations rules things will move faster and everyone (well almost) will be happy !

FB on Diego Garcia ... heard it was a real "garden spot" next best DX QTH I think was Thule or Reykjavik...

-avy

I was at Keflavik '83-'84 as KD5YG/TF and HL9YG from '86-87 and yes I had very strict rules and if you violated them, then you either did not get in the paper log, or you got on the "list" of no QSL that was sent back to the QSL manager.

That list of NO QSL is still stapled to the first volume of each of those logs today.

It's quite interesting to note that the same stations I had problems with in Iceland, were the same exact stations I had problem with in Korea!!!

Follow the rules set forth by the DX station and this requires listening for a few to figure out how the DX station is running contacts. I was trying to run the east coast one evening out of Korea and I called for stations with 1 or 2 in the call sign. The band was just starting to open to on the east coast as the sun was coming up. Here comes this jerk with a 6 in the call. Said he was almost in 2 land - mobile in eastern PA. No way this bozo was mobile with a 20 over 9 signal in Korea with the band just opening on the east coast. He is on the list, outlined in red!!

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Jeff K. Steinkamp (N7YG)
Tucson, AZ
Scud Missile Coordinates
N32.229 W110.875


Re: ZL7

Jerry N9AVY
 

I was QSL Manager for a couple DX stations back in the 80's.  Both used paper logs and there were notes in the margins saying "NO QSL !!!".    There were only a very small few who got these notes; so, it wasn't wide spread.   I followed the rules as set forth by my clients.

Best on air remark I ever heard was on the first Ducie Is. DXpedition where I was listening to a couple friends of mine who were there.  One of them had trouble with a certain 7-land station who kept asking if he was in the log. The reply came back from Ducie Is. that if the 7-station asked once more if he was in log,  he wouldn't be.  It was not a threat.

Guess what we're both saying is that DX station makes the rules and if you don't like them and can't abide with them, then, you go play radio somewhere else !  If everyone plays by DX stations rules things will move faster and everyone (well almost) will be happy !

FB on Diego Garcia ... heard it was a real "garden spot"  next best DX QTH  I think was Thule or Reykjavik... 

-avy

--- On Thu, 10/4/12, Rick Scott <w7psk@...> wrote:

From: Rick Scott <w7psk@...>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: ZL7
To: 070@...
Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 10:59 PM
















 









Actually Jerry I did just that a few times. I was really tough in pile ups and if you did follow my rules I could run 10-15 a min on SSB. But there was always a few that were pills. If you broke the rules I stopped, acknowledge for everyone on the air that I had to stop for W1XYZ whom can follow rules then I said W1XYZ Ill talk to you so you will shut up. Oh and W1XYZ you just made the special board here in the club house where NO STATION here would QSL you. Good Luck in about 2 years when everyone here leaves and your name is removed. Maybe you will remember how to operate courteous.



Also I was chasing 5 band WAS and asked for Certain states yet several calls would call on every state. So again I stopped and told them.



If I ever get the chance to be rare DX again I will run my piles the same way. You have to otherwise the idiots will run all over you.



Oh and where was I



VQ9RS Aug-Dec 1980. Diego Garcia. I worked 20K+ people in the part time I had to operate while flying intel missions during the Iran Hostage Crisis. So I wanted to keep the piles going.



Lyle Adrian N6BLN was the best QSL Manager a man could have.

















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Re: ZL7

Scotty W7PSK
 

Actually Jerry I did just that a few times. I was really tough in pile ups and if you did follow my rules I could run 10-15 a min on SSB. But there was always a few that were pills. If you broke the rules I stopped, acknowledge for everyone on the air that I had to stop for W1XYZ whom can follow rules then I said W1XYZ Ill talk to you so you will shut up. Oh and W1XYZ you just made the special board here in the club house where NO STATION here would QSL you. Good Luck in about 2 years when everyone here leaves and your name is removed. Maybe you will remember how to operate courteous.

Also I was chasing 5 band WAS and asked for Certain states yet several calls would call on every state. So again I stopped and told them.

If I ever get the chance to be rare DX again I will run my piles the same way. You have to otherwise the idiots will run all over you.

Oh and where was I

VQ9RS Aug-Dec 1980. Diego Garcia. I worked 20K+ people in the part time I had to operate while flying intel missions during the Iran Hostage Crisis. So I wanted to keep the piles going.

Lyle Adrian N6BLN was the best QSL Manager a man could have.

--- On Thu, 10/4/12, Jerry <n9avy@...> wrote:

From: Jerry <n9avy@...>
Subject: Re: [070] Re: ZL7
To: 070@...
Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 8:01 PM
Those guys who send all the
unnecessary crap will push other stations down the log and
they may or may not get the QSO  :-( .     This will
make many unhappy operators; so, it's important not to break
the rhythm of the DX station. 

If it were me (thankfully it's not) operating from a DX
location,  I would automatically delete those long-winded
types from logs as well as any others who don't follow my
rules.  It's a hard lesson for some, but they'll never
forget !   This also goes for those who ask "am I in the
log ???".  

A good DX op needs to stay in control ... otherwise the
operation can quickly turn to chaos.  (34 years of DXing
and I've seen most of it happen.)

Jerry  n9avy

--- On Thu, 10/4/12, melachri <w3hf@...>
wrote:

From: melachri <w3hf@...>
Subject: [070] Re: ZL7
To: 070@...
Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 9:12 PM
















 



 


   
     
     
     

One of the problems I've notice is that many QSOs on
PSK31 take a lot of time.  My average Q is about 3
minutes, but that is too long for contest style operation.

Every PSK op needs to learn to keep it short  
"ZL7LC de  n9avy "  ... this would keep pileups to a
minimum. Acknowledge him with "599 TU n9avy"  and get off
the frequency.  This would allow Jim the biggest bang for
the buck.

There is no need for anyone to send their name, QTH,
WX, brag list and whole life story. By the time all this is
sent 12 stations or more could have worked Chatham !

Brevity is the watchword in working rare places.
However, if Jim wants more chatter then he should initiate
it. 



Jerry -



Good comments.



When I was really rolling on Guam, I could do a little
better than one QSO a minute, but that was when the other
guys cooperated. It really helped when they DIDN'T run their
usual macros and brag files.



An advantage of working split was that once a station
acknowledged the QSO, I could call QRZ? and move on, even
when the previous station ran a long macro with
"thanks...hope to see you again soon....my QSL
policy...greetings to you and your family...QSO logged at
<date> <time> ..."



One of the key points (for the non-DX station) is to
understand the rhythm of the DX and follow it. If he wants
to chat, then by all means go ahead. But if he only wants
signal report and name, then follow his instructions. And be
prepared with either "quickie" macros or type out your QSO
in advance and cut-and-paste into your buffer.



Steve





   
     

   
   






 










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Re: ZL7

Jerry N9AVY
 

Those guys who send all the unnecessary crap will push other stations down the log and they may or may not get the QSO  :-( .     This will make many unhappy operators; so, it's important not to break the rhythm of the DX station. 

If it were me (thankfully it's not) operating from a DX location,  I would automatically delete those long-winded types from logs as well as any others who don't follow my rules.  It's a hard lesson for some, but they'll never forget !   This also goes for those who ask "am I in the log ???".  

A good DX op needs to stay in control ... otherwise the operation can quickly turn to chaos.  (34 years of DXing and I've seen most of it happen.)

Jerry  n9avy

--- On Thu, 10/4/12, melachri <w3hf@...> wrote:

From: melachri <w3hf@...>
Subject: [070] Re: ZL7
To: 070@...
Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 9:12 PM
















 











One of the problems I've notice is that many QSOs on PSK31 take a lot of time.  My average Q is about 3 minutes, but that is too long for contest style operation.
Every PSK op needs to learn to keep it short   "ZL7LC de  n9avy "  ... this would keep pileups to a minimum. Acknowledge him with "599 TU n9avy"  and get off the frequency.  This would allow Jim the biggest bang for the buck.
There is no need for anyone to send their name, QTH, WX, brag list and whole life story. By the time all this is sent 12 stations or more could have worked Chatham !
Brevity is the watchword in working rare places. However, if Jim wants more chatter then he should initiate it. 


Jerry -



Good comments.



When I was really rolling on Guam, I could do a little better than one QSO a minute, but that was when the other guys cooperated. It really helped when they DIDN'T run their usual macros and brag files.



An advantage of working split was that once a station acknowledged the QSO, I could call QRZ? and move on, even when the previous station ran a long macro with "thanks...hope to see you again soon....my QSL policy...greetings to you and your family...QSO logged at <date> <time> ..."



One of the key points (for the non-DX station) is to understand the rhythm of the DX and follow it. If he wants to chat, then by all means go ahead. But if he only wants signal report and name, then follow his instructions. And be prepared with either "quickie" macros or type out your QSO in advance and cut-and-paste into your buffer.



Steve



























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