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Re: K and KN

Jerry N9AVY
 

KKK  means they're clan members ????

--- On Sun, 12/18/11, Ruben Echevarria <ka2hhb_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Ruben Echevarria <ka2hhb_2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [070] K and KN
To: "070@yahoogroups.com" <070@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, December 18, 2011, 1:41 PM

If I see a K or a KN then I know it's being turned over 'back to me" .
But there are some that do KKK which to me is wrong and I even had QSO's where
the other party sends SK, obviously wrong. I use KN during a QSO and then an SK 
at the end of a QSO. Being somewhat of an old timer I believe these are proper.. BTU   

Ruben Echevarria KA2HHB
070 Club#861 LONP#141
30MDG#1148 10-10#33308


________________________________
From: Peter G. Viscarola <PeterGV@osr.com>
To: "070@yahoogroups.com" <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 12:16 PM
Subject: RE: [070] K and KN


 
<quote>
Everyone's different, and far be it for me to tell others how to operate. BUT, WHY do some stations sign K K K? or KN KN KN? or SK SK SK? Ya know what? It's poor operating practice.
</quote>

That's an interesting point, Milt. Repeats can be an odd thing.

When I turn it over to another station during a PSK QSO, I often sign KN KN, especially during the "early" overs before we've gotten signal reports exchange (although signal reports seem to always be the inevitable 599, but I digress). When I complete a QSO I most often sign SK SK.

MY thinking was that this is an attempt to ensure the other station gets the message. There's little worse than two PSK stations who are "out of sync" due to QRM/QSB... both listening or both trying to transmit. Thus my repeat KN when turning it over on PSK.

I think that CW QSOs are different in that operating CW most folks operate QSK, so you can HEAR the other guy... between words if not between characters. In PSK, that's not the case.

I'd love to hear additional feedback on this practice from the experienced operators among us: OK to repeat prosigns such as K, KN, SK during PSK QSOs? Or Not Best Practice to repeat these prosigns?

As an aside, wouldn't it be nice for those of us in the 070 club to put together a collection of "Great PSK Operating Practices"? I see sooo much "unusual" operating on the bands... but perhaps that's a topic for another time.

Peter
K1PGV




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Re: K KN SK Pet Peeve

Dave Wright <hfradiopro@...>
 

While I appreciate & respect Lee's desire to be as "professional" of an op
as possible, shouldn't we all keep in mind (as pointed out previously) that
this is the AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE, and guidelines that apply to CW (the
prosigns are NOT RULES) don't necessarily have to apply to PSK.

No one will die if we don't use K, KN or SK properly, or even at all. Is
it really unclear what is meant if the op sends SK SK instead of SK, or if
the op uses K instead of KN? The only possible confusion between K and KN
may be in a net settting...otherwise, just roll with it.

Ultimately, it is a hobby. Enjoy and don't sweat the petty stuff.

73,

Dave


Dave
K3DCW
www.k3dcw.net

"Real radio bounces off of the sky"


On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Lee A. Ratcliff <lratcliff@isp.com> wrote:

**


That is how I understand it also. I just cant find any documentation that
KN was used in the commercial service.

Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: Hank Brote
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:15 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] K KN SK Pet Peeve

I do believe the morse conversation (ie. W1HCB de W1AW KN) would mean
that W1HCB is the only one who should respond.

73
Hank
W1HCB

On 12/18/2011 3:58 PM, Lee A. Ratcliff wrote:
I generally try to use commercial CW practice if I can. That being said,
I
can't find where KN was used in the commercial service.

Lee Ratcliff
KC4ART

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Crosbie
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:58 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [070] K KN SK Pet Peeve

I was wondering one thing about K KN SK, plus other prosigns and Q
Signals.
Does anyone know where it is written that it must be done a certain way?
I
thought that operating practices were just general guidelines. I mean
what
is the big deal if someone signs sk sk sk at the end of a QSO, or sends
RYRYRYRYRY before sending PSK. Maybe this op is an older ham that use to
run
teletype (RTTY) all the time and is just getting started in PSK. Yes, it
may not be common practice to send RYRYRYRY or VVVVVVV at the start of an
exchange in most modes today. But that may have been common practice
back
in
the day. If I was picky about every little thing in PSK. I no longer
would
be enjoying this wonderful mode. I was always taught use plain text.
Rather
than use QRL, ask "is this frequency in use" after listening on a
frequency.
Personally I feel that as long as I can copy the other hams callsign,
name
and report. I don't care how he formats his macros, or types in the
information. Just remember that amateur radio is only a hobby. It is
suppose
to be fun. Also, we was all new to this mode at one point. Now think
about
this for a minute. When you kids, grand kids, or great grand kids get
involved in amateur radio 15 - 20 years from now. How will the format of
the
QSO have changed? Look at the way they text today.
BFF, OMG, LOL, FLUID, www.netlingo.com


73,
N8MNI
Mark Crosbie
London, Ohio
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Re: K KN SK Pet Peeve

Milton Garb <w6qe@...>
 

Hank,
For the prosign, "KN" you are correct.
And Mark: my point is that KN KN KN would mean, "W1HCB is the only one who should respond W1HCB is the only one who should respond W1HCB is the only one who should respond".
"K" simply means" "Over". KKK Means "Over Over Over", (or you're a klucker.)
"SK" simply means "Clear". SK SK SK means "Clear Clear Clear"
The use of CW prosigns and abbreviations, and I'll go out on a limb here, started before any of us were even born. Can we use them as they were intended, because we care?, or use them incorrectly just because we can?
I will continue to lead my great movement for the promotion of broad mindedness to anyone that can see my views.
My editorial is SK,
73, dx es Happy Holidays to all,
Milt.
W6QE
070-650
LONP #076

----- Original Message -----
From: Hank Brote
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [070] K KN SK Pet Peeve



I do believe the morse conversation (ie. W1HCB de W1AW KN) would mean
that W1HCB is the only one who should respond.

73
Hank
W1HCB

On 12/18/2011 3:58 PM, Lee A. Ratcliff wrote:
> I generally try to use commercial CW practice if I can. That being said, I
> can't find where KN was used in the commercial service.
>
> Lee Ratcliff
> KC4ART
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Crosbie
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:58 PM
> To: 070@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [070] K KN SK Pet Peeve
>
> I was wondering one thing about K KN SK, plus other prosigns and Q Signals.
> Does anyone know where it is written that it must be done a certain way? I
> thought that operating practices were just general guidelines. I mean what
> is the big deal if someone signs sk sk sk at the end of a QSO, or sends
> RYRYRYRYRY before sending PSK. Maybe this op is an older ham that use to run
> teletype (RTTY) all the time and is just getting started in PSK. Yes, it
> may not be common practice to send RYRYRYRY or VVVVVVV at the start of an
> exchange in most modes today. But that may have been common practice back in
> the day. If I was picky about every little thing in PSK. I no longer would
> be enjoying this wonderful mode. I was always taught use plain text. Rather
> than use QRL, ask "is this frequency in use" after listening on a frequency.
> Personally I feel that as long as I can copy the other hams callsign, name
> and report. I don't care how he formats his macros, or types in the
> information. Just remember that amateur radio is only a hobby. It is suppose
> to be fun. Also, we was all new to this mode at one point. Now think about
> this for a minute. When you kids, grand kids, or great grand kids get
> involved in amateur radio 15 - 20 years from now. How will the format of the
> QSO have changed? Look at the way they text today.
> BFF, OMG, LOL, FLUID, www.netlingo.com
>
>
> 73,
> N8MNI
> Mark Crosbie
> London, Ohio
> PODXS 070# 0525
> PODXS Clubhouse Barkeep
> PODXS Reflector Boss
>
>
>
>
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>
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> information on 070 Club activities.
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
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Re: K KN SK Pet Peeve

Lee A. Ratcliff <lratcliff@...>
 

That is how I understand it also. I just cant find any documentation that KN was used in the commercial service.

Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: Hank Brote
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:15 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] K KN SK Pet Peeve

I do believe the morse conversation (ie. W1HCB de W1AW KN) would mean
that W1HCB is the only one who should respond.

73
Hank
W1HCB

On 12/18/2011 3:58 PM, Lee A. Ratcliff wrote:
I generally try to use commercial CW practice if I can. That being said, I
can't find where KN was used in the commercial service.

Lee Ratcliff
KC4ART

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Crosbie
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:58 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [070] K KN SK Pet Peeve

I was wondering one thing about K KN SK, plus other prosigns and Q Signals.
Does anyone know where it is written that it must be done a certain way? I
thought that operating practices were just general guidelines. I mean what
is the big deal if someone signs sk sk sk at the end of a QSO, or sends
RYRYRYRYRY before sending PSK. Maybe this op is an older ham that use to run
teletype (RTTY) all the time and is just getting started in PSK. Yes, it
may not be common practice to send RYRYRYRY or VVVVVVV at the start of an
exchange in most modes today. But that may have been common practice back in
the day. If I was picky about every little thing in PSK. I no longer would
be enjoying this wonderful mode. I was always taught use plain text. Rather
than use QRL, ask "is this frequency in use" after listening on a frequency.
Personally I feel that as long as I can copy the other hams callsign, name
and report. I don't care how he formats his macros, or types in the
information. Just remember that amateur radio is only a hobby. It is suppose
to be fun. Also, we was all new to this mode at one point. Now think about
this for a minute. When you kids, grand kids, or great grand kids get
involved in amateur radio 15 - 20 years from now. How will the format of the
QSO have changed? Look at the way they text today.
BFF, OMG, LOL, FLUID, www.netlingo.com


73,
N8MNI
Mark Crosbie
London, Ohio
PODXS 070# 0525
PODXS Clubhouse Barkeep
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Re: Christmas & New Year's Drinks

chris g7ogx
 

Mark, wish we lived closer! Happy Christmas.

Chris/Dad/G7OGX
No trees were harmed with the sending of this message, just a lot of electrons terribly inconvenienced.

To: 070@yahoogroups.com
From: N8MNI@columbus.rr.com
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:24:21 -0500
Subject: [070] Christmas & New Year's Drinks




























Crown Royal & Ginger

a.. 1 oz. Crown Royal Deluxe

b.. 3 oz. ginger ale

c.. 1 lime wedge

a.. Add Crown Royal Deluxe and ginger ale in an ice-filled highball glass.

b.. Garnish with lime wedge.

Fruit Cocktail

a.. 1.5 oz. Smirnoff Fluffed Marshmallow Flavored Vodka

b.. 0.5 oz. peach schnapps

c.. 1.5 oz. red grape juice

d.. 0.5 oz. pineapple juice

Combine all ingredients in an ice-filled shaker.

Shake well.

Strain into an ice-filled collins glass.

Garnish with an orange wedge, strawberry slice, and/or raspberry.



Spiced Cider

a.. 1.25 oz. Captain Morgan Original Spiced

b.. 6 oz. apple cider

Add Captain Morgan Original Spiced Rum and apple cider.

Serve cold over ice or hot in mug.



Fluffed Cocoa

a.. 1 oz. Smirnoff Fluffed Marshmallow Flavored Vodka

b.. 10 oz. hot water

c.. 1 Hot Cocoa Mix

a.. Mix ingredients together in a coffee mug.

b.. Garnish with marshmallows and grated nutmeg.



ed Cocoa


















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Re: K KN SK Pet Peeve

Hank Brote
 

I do believe the morse conversation (ie. W1HCB de W1AW KN) would mean
that W1HCB is the only one who should respond.

73
Hank
W1HCB

On 12/18/2011 3:58 PM, Lee A. Ratcliff wrote:
I generally try to use commercial CW practice if I can. That being said, I
can't find where KN was used in the commercial service.

Lee Ratcliff
KC4ART

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Crosbie
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:58 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [070] K KN SK Pet Peeve

I was wondering one thing about K KN SK, plus other prosigns and Q Signals.
Does anyone know where it is written that it must be done a certain way? I
thought that operating practices were just general guidelines. I mean what
is the big deal if someone signs sk sk sk at the end of a QSO, or sends
RYRYRYRYRY before sending PSK. Maybe this op is an older ham that use to run
teletype (RTTY) all the time and is just getting started in PSK. Yes, it
may not be common practice to send RYRYRYRY or VVVVVVV at the start of an
exchange in most modes today. But that may have been common practice back in
the day. If I was picky about every little thing in PSK. I no longer would
be enjoying this wonderful mode. I was always taught use plain text. Rather
than use QRL, ask "is this frequency in use" after listening on a frequency.
Personally I feel that as long as I can copy the other hams callsign, name
and report. I don't care how he formats his macros, or types in the
information. Just remember that amateur radio is only a hobby. It is suppose
to be fun. Also, we was all new to this mode at one point. Now think about
this for a minute. When you kids, grand kids, or great grand kids get
involved in amateur radio 15 - 20 years from now. How will the format of the
QSO have changed? Look at the way they text today.
BFF, OMG, LOL, FLUID, www.netlingo.com


73,
N8MNI
Mark Crosbie
London, Ohio
PODXS 070# 0525
PODXS Clubhouse Barkeep
PODXS Reflector Boss




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Re: K KN SK Pet Peeve

Lee A. Ratcliff <lratcliff@...>
 

I generally try to use commercial CW practice if I can. That being said, I can't find where KN was used in the commercial service.

Lee Ratcliff
KC4ART

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Crosbie
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:58 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [070] K KN SK Pet Peeve

I was wondering one thing about K KN SK, plus other prosigns and Q Signals.
Does anyone know where it is written that it must be done a certain way? I
thought that operating practices were just general guidelines. I mean what
is the big deal if someone signs sk sk sk at the end of a QSO, or sends
RYRYRYRYRY before sending PSK. Maybe this op is an older ham that use to run
teletype (RTTY) all the time and is just getting started in PSK. Yes, it
may not be common practice to send RYRYRYRY or VVVVVVV at the start of an
exchange in most modes today. But that may have been common practice back in
the day. If I was picky about every little thing in PSK. I no longer would
be enjoying this wonderful mode. I was always taught use plain text. Rather
than use QRL, ask "is this frequency in use" after listening on a frequency.
Personally I feel that as long as I can copy the other hams callsign, name
and report. I don't care how he formats his macros, or types in the
information. Just remember that amateur radio is only a hobby. It is suppose
to be fun. Also, we was all new to this mode at one point. Now think about
this for a minute. When you kids, grand kids, or great grand kids get
involved in amateur radio 15 - 20 years from now. How will the format of the
QSO have changed? Look at the way they text today.
BFF, OMG, LOL, FLUID, www.netlingo.com


73,
N8MNI
Mark Crosbie
London, Ohio
PODXS 070# 0525
PODXS Clubhouse Barkeep
PODXS Reflector Boss




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Christmas & New Year's Drinks

Mark - N8MNI
 

Crown Royal & Ginger
a.. 1 oz. Crown Royal Deluxe
b.. 3 oz. ginger ale
c.. 1 lime wedge
a.. Add Crown Royal Deluxe and ginger ale in an ice-filled highball glass.
b.. Garnish with lime wedge.
Fruit Cocktail
a.. 1.5 oz. Smirnoff Fluffed Marshmallow Flavored Vodka
b.. 0.5 oz. peach schnapps
c.. 1.5 oz. red grape juice
d.. 0.5 oz. pineapple juice
Combine all ingredients in an ice-filled shaker.
Shake well.
Strain into an ice-filled collins glass.
Garnish with an orange wedge, strawberry slice, and/or raspberry.

Spiced Cider
a.. 1.25 oz. Captain Morgan Original Spiced
b.. 6 oz. apple cider
Add Captain Morgan Original Spiced Rum and apple cider.
Serve cold over ice or hot in mug.

Fluffed Cocoa
a.. 1 oz. Smirnoff Fluffed Marshmallow Flavored Vodka
b.. 10 oz. hot water
c.. 1 Hot Cocoa Mix
a.. Mix ingredients together in a coffee mug.
b.. Garnish with marshmallows and grated nutmeg.

ed Cocoa


K KN SK Pet Peeve

Mark - N8MNI
 

I was wondering one thing about K KN SK, plus other prosigns and Q Signals. Does anyone know where it is written that it must be done a certain way? I thought that operating practices were just general guidelines. I mean what is the big deal if someone signs sk sk sk at the end of a QSO, or sends RYRYRYRYRY before sending PSK. Maybe this op is an older ham that use to run teletype (RTTY) all the time and is just getting started in PSK. Yes, it may not be common practice to send RYRYRYRY or VVVVVVV at the start of an exchange in most modes today. But that may have been common practice back in the day. If I was picky about every little thing in PSK. I no longer would be enjoying this wonderful mode. I was always taught use plain text. Rather than use QRL, ask "is this frequency in use" after listening on a frequency. Personally I feel that as long as I can copy the other hams callsign, name and report. I don't care how he formats his macros, or types in the information. Just remember that amateur radio is only a hobby. It is suppose to be fun. Also, we was all new to this mode at one point. Now think about this for a minute. When you kids, grand kids, or great grand kids get involved in amateur radio 15 - 20 years from now. How will the format of the QSO have changed? Look at the way they text today.
BFF, OMG, LOL, FLUID, www.netlingo.com


73,
N8MNI
Mark Crosbie
London, Ohio
PODXS 070# 0525
PODXS Clubhouse Barkeep
PODXS Reflector Boss


Re: K and KN

Ruben
 

If I see a K or a KN then I know it's being turned over 'back to me" .
But there are some that do KKK which to me is wrong and I even had QSO's where
the other party sends SK, obviously wrong. I use KN during a QSO and then an SK 
at the end of a QSO. Being somewhat of an old timer I believe these are proper.. BTU   

Ruben Echevarria KA2HHB
070 Club#861 LONP#141
30MDG#1148 10-10#33308


________________________________
From: Peter G. Viscarola <PeterGV@osr.com>
To: "070@yahoogroups.com" <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 12:16 PM
Subject: RE: [070] K and KN


 
<quote>
Everyone's different, and far be it for me to tell others how to operate. BUT, WHY do some stations sign K K K? or KN KN KN? or SK SK SK? Ya know what? It's poor operating practice.
</quote>

That's an interesting point, Milt. Repeats can be an odd thing.

When I turn it over to another station during a PSK QSO, I often sign KN KN, especially during the "early" overs before we've gotten signal reports exchange (although signal reports seem to always be the inevitable 599, but I digress). When I complete a QSO I most often sign SK SK.

MY thinking was that this is an attempt to ensure the other station gets the message. There's little worse than two PSK stations who are "out of sync" due to QRM/QSB... both listening or both trying to transmit. Thus my repeat KN when turning it over on PSK.

I think that CW QSOs are different in that operating CW most folks operate QSK, so you can HEAR the other guy... between words if not between characters. In PSK, that's not the case.

I'd love to hear additional feedback on this practice from the experienced operators among us: OK to repeat prosigns such as K, KN, SK during PSK QSOs? Or Not Best Practice to repeat these prosigns?

As an aside, wouldn't it be nice for those of us in the 070 club to put together a collection of "Great PSK Operating Practices"? I see sooo much "unusual" operating on the bands... but perhaps that's a topic for another time.

Peter
K1PGV




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Re: K and KN

Mike Flowers
 

We are, after all, 'Amateur' operators .



- 73 de Mike, K6MKF



From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter G.
Viscarola
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:16 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [070] K and KN





<quote>
Everyone's different, and far be it for me to tell others how to operate.
BUT, WHY do some stations sign K K K? or KN KN KN? or SK SK SK? Ya know
what? It's poor operating practice.
</quote>

That's an interesting point, Milt. Repeats can be an odd thing.

When I turn it over to another station during a PSK QSO, I often sign KN KN,
especially during the "early" overs before we've gotten signal reports
exchange (although signal reports seem to always be the inevitable 599, but
I digress). When I complete a QSO I most often sign SK SK.

MY thinking was that this is an attempt to ensure the other station gets the
message. There's little worse than two PSK stations who are "out of sync"
due to QRM/QSB... both listening or both trying to transmit. Thus my repeat
KN when turning it over on PSK.

I think that CW QSOs are different in that operating CW most folks operate
QSK, so you can HEAR the other guy... between words if not between
characters. In PSK, that's not the case.

I'd love to hear additional feedback on this practice from the experienced
operators among us: OK to repeat prosigns such as K, KN, SK during PSK QSOs?
Or Not Best Practice to repeat these prosigns?

As an aside, wouldn't it be nice for those of us in the 070 club to put
together a collection of "Great PSK Operating Practices"? I see sooo much
"unusual" operating on the bands... but perhaps that's a topic for another
time.

Peter
K1PGV


Re: K and KN

Peter G. Viscarola
 

<quote>
Everyone's different, and far be it for me to tell others how to operate. BUT, WHY do some stations sign K K K? or KN KN KN? or SK SK SK? Ya know what? It's poor operating practice.
</quote>

That's an interesting point, Milt. Repeats can be an odd thing.

When I turn it over to another station during a PSK QSO, I often sign KN KN, especially during the "early" overs before we've gotten signal reports exchange (although signal reports seem to always be the inevitable 599, but I digress). When I complete a QSO I most often sign SK SK.

MY thinking was that this is an attempt to ensure the other station gets the message. There's little worse than two PSK stations who are "out of sync" due to QRM/QSB... both listening or both trying to transmit. Thus my repeat KN when turning it over on PSK.

I think that CW QSOs are different in that operating CW most folks operate QSK, so you can HEAR the other guy... between words if not between characters. In PSK, that's not the case.

I'd love to hear additional feedback on this practice from the experienced operators among us: OK to repeat prosigns such as K, KN, SK during PSK QSOs? Or Not Best Practice to repeat these prosigns?

As an aside, wouldn't it be nice for those of us in the 070 club to put together a collection of "Great PSK Operating Practices"? I see sooo much "unusual" operating on the bands... but perhaps that's a topic for another time.

Peter
K1PGV


Fw: psk31

Enzo <ik8jku@...>
 

To all members

I amlooking on 21.070 psk31
Hope to see you then
Merry Christmas and a Peaceful Happy New Year
Enzo ik8jku


psk31

Enzo <ik8jku@...>
 

To all members

I amlooking on 21.070 psk31
Hope to see you then
Merry Christmas and a Peaceful Happy New Year


Merry Christmas

Mark - N8MNI
 

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Re: K and KN

Jerry N9AVY
 

I think that may be a holdover from the old Novices who seem to send everything 2-3 times because they're not sure their signal is getting through.  Repeats are not always necessary. If the other op needs "fill" he ask for it... or I would hope so.

For folks like me who are lousy, rotten typists, use of CW prosigns helps eliminate extra keystrokes.  In the International scene, use of Q signals and prosigns helps break the language barriers to some extent.

Just like texting on cell phones, standard abbreviations keep things moving along a bit faster. Might help if everyone learned basic Q signals and such.

Jerry  N9AVY

--- On Sat, 12/17/11, w6qe.milt <w6qe@verizon.net> wrote:

From: w6qe.milt <w6qe@verizon.net>
Subject: [070] K and KN
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 17, 2011, 5:27 PM

Peter you bring up an interesting example. I a CW op.
Everyone's different, and far be it for me to tell others how to operate. BUT, WHY do some stations sign K K K? or KN KN KN? or SK SK SK? Ya know what? It's poor operating practice. When W6QE turns it over to another station, "K" is all that's necessary. If you're the only station I want to come back, I'll say "KN". Not K K K or KN KN KN. When I sign with a station, it's SK, not SK SK SK.
It just doesn't make sense or is it good or acceptable operating practice. "K", "KN" & "SK" are cw prosigns. Take a suggestion from a cw op, and clean up your macro's?
Milt.
W6QE
070-650


--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, "Peter G. Viscarola" <PeterGV@...> wrote:

How many PSK ops understand QRL  ???   Bet not too many.
You're right.  What was I thinking? :-)  Kind of a sad commentary, if you ask me.

I remember another thread (on a similar list) where several digimode ops didn't know the prosigns K and KN meant different things.

And I'm not even a CW op,

Peter
K1PGV



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K and KN

w6qe.milt <w6qe@...>
 

Peter you bring up an interesting example. I a CW op.
Everyone's different, and far be it for me to tell others how to operate. BUT, WHY do some stations sign K K K? or KN KN KN? or SK SK SK? Ya know what? It's poor operating practice. When W6QE turns it over to another station, "K" is all that's necessary. If you're the only station I want to come back, I'll say "KN". Not K K K or KN KN KN. When I sign with a station, it's SK, not SK SK SK.
It just doesn't make sense or is it good or acceptable operating practice. "K", "KN" & "SK" are cw prosigns. Take a suggestion from a cw op, and clean up your macro's?
Milt.
W6QE
070-650

--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, "Peter G. Viscarola" <PeterGV@...> wrote:

How many PSK ops understand QRL  ???   Bet not too many.
You're right. What was I thinking? :-) Kind of a sad commentary, if you ask me.

I remember another thread (on a similar list) where several digimode ops didn't know the prosigns K and KN meant different things.

And I'm not even a CW op,

Peter
K1PGV


Re: Pirate ?

Jerry N9AVY
 

Now if they only knew the difference between QRP & QRO ...

--- On Sat, 12/17/11, Peter G. Viscarola <PeterGV@osr.com> wrote:

From: Peter G. Viscarola <PeterGV@osr.com>
Subject: RE: [070] Pirate ?
To: "070@yahoogroups.com" <070@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, December 17, 2011, 4:09 PM

How many PSK ops understand QRL  ???   Bet not too many.
You're right.  What was I thinking? :-)  Kind of a sad commentary, if you ask me.

I remember another thread (on a similar list) where several digimode ops didn't know the prosigns K and KN meant different things.

And I'm not even a CW op,

Peter
K1PGV


Re: Pirate ?

Peter G. Viscarola
 

How many PSK ops understand QRL  ???   Bet not too many.
You're right. What was I thinking? :-) Kind of a sad commentary, if you ask me.

I remember another thread (on a similar list) where several digimode ops didn't know the prosigns K and KN meant different things.

And I'm not even a CW op,

Peter
K1PGV


Re: Pirate ?

Cyrel Moore
 

Thanks Steve that is what  I had done wrong


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From: melachri <w3hf@arrl.net>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 1:03 PM
Subject: [070] Re: Pirate ?



 

Cy -

He's listed on QRZ, but it's best to search on him without the /NWS suffix.

http://www.qrz.com/db/wx0ict

Your contact was probably during the annual Skywarn event, and stations at National Weather Service sites get on the air and use the /NWS suffix to identify themselves. Many of them have WX ("weather") prefixes.

Lots of information at

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mtr/hamradio/

73,
Steve
W3HF

--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, Cyrel Moore <kc7nht@...> wrote:

Wow great thanks where did you find the information. I poked around a bit but never found anything. i guess next time i should dig a bit deeper before i open my big fat mouth :) 
 
Thanks again  


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From: Mike (WM4B) <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: [070] Pirate ?



 

WX0ICT USA
WICHITA KANSAS SKYWARN, WX0ICT
2142 SOUTH TYLER RD
WICHITA, KS 67209

From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cyrel Moore
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:16 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] Pirate ?

I have seen a few my last one was WX0ICT/NWS on 10 meters why cant they just get their license

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From: Jerry <n9avy@...>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:01 AM
Subject: [070] Pirate ?

I was in QSO this morning on 15m running a bunch of DX stations and had just finished a QSO with an Italian station when a W0DHB grabs the frequency from me. We should all know that's "uncool" and not courteous. I would have let him in had he asked.

But, I looked him up on QRZ... not such call. Guess we have to be careful who we work these days, huh ?

Jerry N9AVY

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