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Re: 12M open to the Caribbean

kt4nm
 

I work nights so I do  listen  in the am......  have been seeing  great openings in the morning on   15, 17,  and some on 12 from W4 ..... this morning had 6 dx contacts in the log in no time........then the chores called...........

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Flowers" <mike.flowers@gmail.com>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:02:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [070] Re: 12M open to the Caribbean

 




I'm also seeing traces of East Coast stations on 10M ...

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Mike Flowers < mike.flowers@gmail.com >wrote:

Worked Victor, NP4BM and am seeing Jose, PJ2MI now on 24.920 Mhz ...

--

73 de Mike, K6MKF
--

73 de Mike, K6MKF

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Re: 12M open to the Caribbean

Mike Flowers
 

I'm also seeing traces of East Coast stations on 10M ...

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Mike Flowers <mike.flowers@gmail.com>wrote:

Worked Victor, NP4BM and am seeing Jose, PJ2MI now on 24.920 Mhz ...

--

73 de Mike, K6MKF
--

73 de Mike, K6MKF


12M open to the Caribbean

Mike Flowers
 

Worked Victor, NP4BM and am seeing Jose, PJ2MI now on 24.920 Mhz ...

--

73 de Mike, K6MKF


15 meters

kt4nm
 

open good dx 14:41 hours.....seeing traces on 12 and 17 too...


Re: Patrick, No need to apologize

Larry538 <wa7hdz@...>
 

C'mon Karen, I was just trying to be funny. I even put a smiley face at the end of my statement to indicate so.
As far as my call I thought it was auto-append. However, like {atrick, I was mistaken.
WA7HDZ

--- On Sat, 2/13/10, Karen Russo <w4krn@his.com> wrote:

From: Karen Russo <w4krn@his.com>
Subject: Re: [070] Patrick, No need to apologize
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 9:51 PM















 









Larry,



There was absolutely no need for you to respond with this
statement. A 'wise' person would just let it go.
This is what they

call...instigating.



Please respond direct...if you feel the need to say
something further. BTW, add your callsign next time.



73 - Karen W4KRN



Even our new 'Web Boss' was discussing non PSK
stuff in his post: [070] Nice portrait. You were simply
following by example. ;)



--- On Sat, 2/13/10, Patrick Weatherford <patricknw@sbcglobal
.net> wrote:



From: Patrick Weatherford <patricknw@sbcglobal
.net>

Subject: Re: [070] RTTY Thread
To: 070@yahoogroups.
com

Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 12:12 PM
I apologize for starting a non-psk related post
here on the boards, and
for any inconvenience it may have caused. I
didn't

really know we had
such a strict rule on posts being "on-topic"
and

directly related to
PSK31.
After reading the posts started this very morning
about

self-portraits
on 12m, I didn't think a simple question about
RTTY

would be a big
deal. I guess I was mistaken.
Regards,
Patrick
AE5PW
#704
N8MNI wrote:
At the request of other user can you please take
this

RTTY thread to
direct email or an RTTY group. This group is for
memers of the PODXS
070 club to duscuss PSK activities.
73
N8MNI
Mark Crosbie
London, Ohio
PODXS 070# 0525
PODXS Clubhouse Barkeep
PODXS Reflector Boss


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12M showing signs of waking up this AM ...

Mike Flowers
 

I'm starting to be able to copy signals on 12M this morning. I'm seeing
W2JLB calling CQ, but can't raise him yet ...

--

73 de Mike, K6MKF


Welcome new member

J Budzowski <jbudzowski@...>
 

Pse welcome new 070 Club member Dan KD7UFF #1112...73 de Jay N3DQU


Re: Patrick, No need to apologize

Karen Russo
 

Larry,

There was absolutely no need for you to respond with this statement. A 'wise' person would just let it go. This is what they
call...instigating.

Please respond direct...if you feel the need to say something further. BTW, add your callsign next time.

73 - Karen W4KRN





Even our new 'Web Boss' was discussing non PSK stuff in his post: [070] Nice portrait. You were simply following by example. ;)

--- On Sat, 2/13/10, Patrick Weatherford <patricknw@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: Patrick Weatherford <patricknw@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [070] RTTY Thread
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 12:12 PM

























I apologize for starting a non-psk related post
here on the boards, and

for any inconvenience it may have caused. I didn't
really know we had

such a strict rule on posts being "on-topic" and
directly related to

PSK31.



After reading the posts started this very morning about
self-portraits

on 12m, I didn't think a simple question about RTTY
would be a big

deal. I guess I was mistaken.



Regards,



Patrick

AE5PW

#704



N8MNI wrote:

At the request of other user can you please take this
RTTY thread to

direct email or an RTTY group. This group is for
memers of the PODXS

070 club to duscuss PSK activities.
73
N8MNI
Mark Crosbie
London, Ohio
PODXS 070# 0525
PODXS Clubhouse Barkeep
PODXS Reflector Boss
































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Patrick, No need to apologize

Larry538 <wa7hdz@...>
 

Even our new 'Web Boss' was discussing non PSK stuff in his post: [070] Nice portrait. You were simply following by example. ;)

--- On Sat, 2/13/10, Patrick Weatherford <patricknw@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: Patrick Weatherford <patricknw@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [070] RTTY Thread
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 12:12 PM















 









I apologize for starting a non-psk related post
here on the boards, and

for any inconvenience it may have caused. I didn't
really know we had

such a strict rule on posts being "on-topic" and
directly related to

PSK31.



After reading the posts started this very morning about
self-portraits

on 12m, I didn't think a simple question about RTTY
would be a big

deal. I guess I was mistaken.



Regards,



Patrick

AE5PW

#704



N8MNI wrote:

At the request of other user can you please take this
RTTY thread to

direct email or an RTTY group. This group is for
memers of the PODXS

070 club to duscuss PSK activities.
73
N8MNI
Mark Crosbie
London, Ohio
PODXS 070# 0525
PODXS Clubhouse Barkeep
PODXS Reflector Boss


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genlog

Chuck Kovacs
 

Anyone who used genlog for the sprint,watch that genlog counted multi's pre band which is not correct.need help on how to fix score email me direct.

n2eoc chuck


RTTY Desense and Roofing Filters.

kc2qfr <kc2qfr@...>
 

Observations regarding the psk31 sprint problems with RTTY QRM.

1. I was on a few hours on and off on 80m & 40m.
2. In both cases I saw little psk31 and mostly strong RTTY as expected during a rtty contest.
3. If I saw a weak psk signal...selecting my 400hz roofing filter increased the psk31 signal significantly.

This is a classic case of desense and proved to me the value of the narrow band roofing filter use. (K3 with 400hz 8 pole roofing filter.

In my few hours on I managed 31 qso.s mostly 40m and some on 80.

If your rig has a narrow band roofer try it.

Good luck and 73 de Fred KC2QFR


Re: K8TOM?

Chuck Kovacs
 

Dan u had a great signal here. So cool to work ya on 160. for sure, much easier from CT a than CA. tnx for the q's OM.

n2eoc chuck




________________________________
From: Daniel Severance <daniel_severance@yahoo.com>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 4:56:55 PM
Subject: Re: [070] Re: K8TOM?


Oddly - all 3 (Mary, Karen, Chuck) were much easier than I remember hi hi (normally I'm in San Diego during the contests instead of CT).

I made over 50 contacts but not to unique people - I'll try to go back to the station tomorrow if I get a chance and make additional QSOs (I assume the primary station thing applies to clubs as well so I can't operate as W1ORS from my apartment).

Thanks for all that worked ot get me in the log!
Cheers,
Dan
N6ERD/1 AKA W1ORS

____________ _________ _________ __
From: tom_k8tom <tsingle0@yahoo. com>
To: 070@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 10:23:55 AM
Subject: [070] Re: K8TOM?

SRI, Milt. Family got home about 10:30 and I had to tend to things at that point. Tnx for contacts es apologize for stepping on your QSO with Karen. I thought she was calling on that frequency.

The east-west prop from the left coast seemed pretty rough to the VA-KY area and I was eager to make the contact. I saw how hard you had to work to get Mary KC4TIE, btw. Good on both of you for your patience. But I didn't get Karen or Charlie before I had to quit. :-(

Tom
K8TOM

--- In 070@yahoogroups. com, "Milton Garb" <w6qe@...> wrote:

Tom, u still up?
Milt.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: K8TOM?

Daniel Severance
 

Oddly - all 3 (Mary, Karen, Chuck) were much easier than I remember hi hi (normally I'm in San Diego during the contests instead of CT).

I made over 50 contacts but not to unique people - I'll try to go back to the station tomorrow if I get a chance and make additional QSOs (I assume the primary station thing applies to clubs as well so I can't operate as W1ORS from my apartment).

Thanks for all that worked ot get me in the log!
Cheers,
Dan
N6ERD/1 AKA W1ORS





________________________________
From: tom_k8tom <tsingle0@yahoo.com>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 10:23:55 AM
Subject: [070] Re: K8TOM?




SRI, Milt. Family got home about 10:30 and I had to tend to things at that point. Tnx for contacts es apologize for stepping on your QSO with Karen. I thought she was calling on that frequency.

The east-west prop from the left coast seemed pretty rough to the VA-KY area and I was eager to make the contact. I saw how hard you had to work to get Mary KC4TIE, btw. Good on both of you for your patience. But I didn't get Karen or Charlie before I had to quit. :-(

Tom
K8TOM

--- In 070@yahoogroups. com, "Milton Garb" <w6qe@...> wrote:

Tom, u still up?
Milt.


Re: RTTY Thread

kleks05 <jowoc1@...>
 

--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Weatherford <patricknw@...> wrote:

I apologize for starting a non-psk related post here on the boards, and
for any inconvenience it may have caused. I didn't really know we had
such a strict rule on posts being "on-topic" and directly related to
PSK31.

After reading the posts started this very morning about self-portraits
on 12m, I didn't think a simple question about RTTY would be a big
deal. I guess I was mistaken.
and a short note to a new Boss...

it would be nicer instead of calling someone in public to follow your own advice and do it via direct e-mail. I know, I am doing this same - just to further demonstrate the point.



Regards,

Patrick
AE5PW
#704

BTW, Pat & Rich - I learned or reminded myslef of some old times, pre-PSK (Ob-reference).

Back to the holding pattern.

de ku1t,
_zjt


Re: RTTY Thread

Patrick Weatherford <patricknw@...>
 

I apologize for starting a non-psk related post here on the boards, and
for any inconvenience it may have caused. I didn't really know we had
such a strict rule on posts being "on-topic" and directly related to
PSK31.

After reading the posts started this very morning about self-portraits
on 12m, I didn't think a simple question about RTTY would be a big
deal. I guess I was mistaken.


Regards,

Patrick
AE5PW
#704








N8MNI wrote:



At the request of other user can you please take this RTTY thread to
direct email or an RTTY group. This group is for memers of the PODXS
070 club to duscuss PSK activities.

73
N8MNI
Mark Crosbie
London, Ohio

PODXS 070# 0525
PODXS Clubhouse Barkeep
PODXS Reflector Boss


Re: RTTY Thread

ve3iay <ve3iay@...>
 

Goodbye.

73,
Rich VE3KI

--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, "N8MNI" <N8MNI@...> wrote:

At the request of other user can you please take this RTTY thread to direct email or an RTTY group. This group is for memers of the PODXS 070 club to duscuss PSK activities.


73
N8MNI
Mark Crosbie
London, Ohio

PODXS 070# 0525
PODXS Clubhouse Barkeep
PODXS Reflector Boss


RTTY Thread

Mark - N8MNI
 

At the request of other user can you please take this RTTY thread to direct email or an RTTY group. This group is for memers of the PODXS 070 club to duscuss PSK activities.


73
N8MNI
Mark Crosbie
London, Ohio

PODXS 070# 0525
PODXS Clubhouse Barkeep
PODXS Reflector Boss


Re: stupid question

Justin Mattes--KC2GIK
 

I was thinking the same thing
Justin,KC2GIK

Charlie Trice, K8IJ wrote:


What are the chances of this RTTY thread going somewhere else?

Charlie, K8IJ

----- Original Message -----
From: "ve3iay" <ve3iay@rac.ca <mailto:ve3iay%40rac.ca>>
To: <070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070%40yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: [070] Re: stupid question

RTTY uses a fixed-length 5-bit code that was originally developed for
electromechanical teleprinters that were used to send Associated Press news
items cross-country. Amateurs started RTTY by using surplus teleprinters,
and when computer RTTY first came in, it was made compatible with the older
equipment. The result is that RTTY continues to use the original character
codes and baud rates, even though there are very few of the original
teleprinters still in use.

A 5-bit code allows at most 32 characters. Take away the 26 uppercase
letters and there's not enough left for numbers and punctuation. A six-bit
code could have been used to get around this (64 characters), but that would
make every character longer, which would take more time to transmit. Since
numbers and punctuation are used much less frequently than letters, most of
the character codes in a six-bit code would be used only rarely and the
extra time for the sixth bit would be mostly wasted. Time is money in the
press business, and in the days when RTTY was originally developed, a more
efficient solution was looked for and found.

The solution was to make almost all of the characters do double duty,
similarly to the way the Shift key on a keyboard lets you change between
upper and lower case instead of requiring two separate keyboards. The two
"cases" in RTTY are called LTRS and FIGS, and you change case by sending a
"shift" character (LTRS or FIGS). In LTRS case, 26 of the codes are used for
the 26 letters (uppercase only). In FIGS case, the same 26 codes are used
for numbers and punctuation.

In LTRS case, the PTI key codes mean PTI. In FIGS case, the identical key
codes mean 058. If the FIGS control character is missed out for some reason
(e.g. noise or interference), the receive decoder will be in the wrong case
and it will print PTI instead of 058. This happens quite often, especially
under high QRM conditions.

To compound this, there are two different conventions about when to send the
shift characters when there are spaces between repeated strings of numbers,
and amateurs haven't been able to agree on which convention to use, or
whether and when to use dashes instead of spaces between numerical strings.

The bottom line is that RTTYers often find themselves having to decode the
letters on the top row of the keyboard as the corresponding numbers: TOO =
599, UE = 74, PPQ = 001 and so on. Most RTTY software has features to make
this a bit easier.

73,
Rich VE3KI

--- In 070@yahoogroups.com <mailto:070%40yahoogroups.com>, David Westbrook <dwestbrook@...> wrote:

PTI = 058 ..
qwertyuiop => 1234567890 ... that's the first letter row of the keyboard
and the number row ...

There's something about a shift in the way rtty works (and the way the
decoder's set up) -- i'm sure someone here will explain far better ..
it's
related to the debate of whether you should sent 599-001-001 or 599 001
001
or 599 001-001, etc .. the rtty@... listserv is a good resource
too -- that discussion comes up there occasionally (including
recently) ..

I wish i'd asked that "stupid" question months ago .. just recently
(from
the rtty list) realized that qwertyuiop=>1234567890 mapping, which now
makes
the "599PTIPTI" junk actually make sense!! Actually helped a couple
times
last night working the wpx-rtty test.

--david
KJ4IZW

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Patrick Weatherford <
patricknw@...> wrote:



I was working the WPX RTTY contest this morning, and an Italy station
kept sending me "PTI" as his serial number. S9+10, clear as day, I
asked for several repeats and he kept sending PTI PTI PTI

Maybe I am ignorant, but what exactly is PTI?

Double checked Contesting.com, there is no other contest going on.

Patrick
AE5PW




Re: stupid question

ve3iay <ve3iay@...>
 

Patrick,

The way you send 058 in RTTY is by sending <FIGS>PTI . The two different conventions I mentioned in my earlier message send
599 058 058 in two different ways. One is:
<FIGS>TOO PTI PTI , and the other is:
<FIGS>TOO <FIGS>PTI <FIGS>PTI . The second one is slower but more reliable.

The other guy was sending using the first convention, but your software was receiving assuming the second convention. So he sent 599 058 058 his way, and your software decoded it as 599 PTI PTI because it didn't see the expected extra <FIGS> characters after each space.

RTTY contesters argue interminably about which convention to use (which is more important, speed or reliability?). At the transmit end, the first convention is faster, so speed merchants prefer it. At the receive end, the first one runs the risk of occasionally receiving intended alphabetic text as numbers and punctuation. For example, PATRICK becomes 0-548:( if the receiver is in the FIGS case. The second convention is much less likely to suffer from mutilated text, but it runs the risk of sometimes receiving numeric text as letters (058 becomes PTI). Personally, I find learning how to translate a few letters from the top row of the keyboard into numbers a lot easier than learning how to interpret 0-548:( as PATRICK.

73,
Rich VE3KI, 070 #175

UEN
48:# =3E(8N PUP HQUT

--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Weatherford <patricknw@...> wrote:

So the other op was sending PTI PTI PTI on purpose, or was he really
sending 058 058 058 and something was getting scrambled?

Patrick
AE5PW



David Westbrook wrote:
PTI = 058 ..
qwertyuiop => 1234567890 ... that's the first letter row of the keyboard
and the number row ...

There's something about a shift in the way rtty works (and the way the
decoder's set up) -- i'm sure someone here will explain far better .. it's
related to the debate of whether you should sent 599-001-001 or 599 001 001
or 599 001-001, etc .. the rtty@... listserv is a good resource
too -- that discussion comes up there occasionally (including recently) ..

I wish i'd asked that "stupid" question months ago .. just recently (from
the rtty list) realized that qwertyuiop=>1234567890 mapping, which now makes
the "599PTIPTI" junk actually make sense!! Actually helped a couple times
last night working the wpx-rtty test.

--david
KJ4IZW

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Patrick Weatherford <
patricknw@...> wrote:


I was working the WPX RTTY contest this morning, and an Italy station
kept sending me "PTI" as his serial number. S9+10, clear as day, I
asked for several repeats and he kept sending PTI PTI PTI

Maybe I am ignorant, but what exactly is PTI?

Double checked Contesting.com, there is no other contest going on.

Patrick
AE5PW








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Re: stupid question

Charlie Trice, K8IJ <ctrice@...>
 

What are the chances of this RTTY thread going somewhere else?

Charlie, K8IJ

----- Original Message -----
From: "ve3iay" <ve3iay@rac.ca>
To: <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: [070] Re: stupid question


RTTY uses a fixed-length 5-bit code that was originally developed for electromechanical teleprinters that were used to send Associated Press news items cross-country. Amateurs started RTTY by using surplus teleprinters, and when computer RTTY first came in, it was made compatible with the older equipment. The result is that RTTY continues to use the original character codes and baud rates, even though there are very few of the original teleprinters still in use.

A 5-bit code allows at most 32 characters. Take away the 26 uppercase letters and there's not enough left for numbers and punctuation. A six-bit code could have been used to get around this (64 characters), but that would make every character longer, which would take more time to transmit. Since numbers and punctuation are used much less frequently than letters, most of the character codes in a six-bit code would be used only rarely and the extra time for the sixth bit would be mostly wasted. Time is money in the press business, and in the days when RTTY was originally developed, a more efficient solution was looked for and found.

The solution was to make almost all of the characters do double duty, similarly to the way the Shift key on a keyboard lets you change between upper and lower case instead of requiring two separate keyboards. The two "cases" in RTTY are called LTRS and FIGS, and you change case by sending a "shift" character (LTRS or FIGS). In LTRS case, 26 of the codes are used for the 26 letters (uppercase only). In FIGS case, the same 26 codes are used for numbers and punctuation.

In LTRS case, the PTI key codes mean PTI. In FIGS case, the identical key codes mean 058. If the FIGS control character is missed out for some reason (e.g. noise or interference), the receive decoder will be in the wrong case and it will print PTI instead of 058. This happens quite often, especially under high QRM conditions.

To compound this, there are two different conventions about when to send the shift characters when there are spaces between repeated strings of numbers, and amateurs haven't been able to agree on which convention to use, or whether and when to use dashes instead of spaces between numerical strings.

The bottom line is that RTTYers often find themselves having to decode the letters on the top row of the keyboard as the corresponding numbers: TOO = 599, UE = 74, PPQ = 001 and so on. Most RTTY software has features to make this a bit easier.

73,
Rich VE3KI


--- In 070@yahoogroups.com, David Westbrook <dwestbrook@...> wrote:

PTI = 058 ..
qwertyuiop => 1234567890 ... that's the first letter row of the keyboard
and the number row ...

There's something about a shift in the way rtty works (and the way the
decoder's set up) -- i'm sure someone here will explain far better .. it's
related to the debate of whether you should sent 599-001-001 or 599 001 001
or 599 001-001, etc .. the rtty@... listserv is a good resource
too -- that discussion comes up there occasionally (including recently) ..

I wish i'd asked that "stupid" question months ago .. just recently (from
the rtty list) realized that qwertyuiop=>1234567890 mapping, which now makes
the "599PTIPTI" junk actually make sense!! Actually helped a couple times
last night working the wpx-rtty test.

--david
KJ4IZW

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Patrick Weatherford <
patricknw@...> wrote:



I was working the WPX RTTY contest this morning, and an Italy station
kept sending me "PTI" as his serial number. S9+10, clear as day, I
asked for several repeats and he kept sending PTI PTI PTI

Maybe I am ignorant, but what exactly is PTI?

Double checked Contesting.com, there is no other contest going on.

Patrick
AE5PW