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Re: Jordan on the air...

Dick Thompson <wb0dul@...>
 

If the DX station is not in control, then the bad manners will rule.  Sometimes they rule even if the DX is in control.  He should operate split and indicate that he is listening up 5-10 khz. 
 
73,
 

----- Original Message -----
To: 070@...
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:04 AM
Subject: [070] Jordan on the air...

Hi all,

Last night Jordan was on the air on 14, unfortunatly all were calling
simultaniously ending up on a psk madness...
Are we getting the Voice mode bad manners in psk now ??

73
Demetre - SV1ENS

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Re: Jordan on the air...

Zoltan Bordas <borzol@...>
 

Last night Jordan was on the air on 14, unfortunatly all were calling
simultaniously ending up on a psk madness...
Are we getting the Voice mode bad manners in psk now ??

73
Demetre - SV1ENS
Unfortunately I was not on air that time... but today around 14 UTC A71EM /
Juma was on 15m and I managed to make a QSO with him - my 145th DXCC on this
mode. He is a beginner, only yesterday started!

Regarding PSK QRM - is even worst like in SSB, because already 2 or 3
signals on the same frequency are completely unreadable. My oppinion is that
split is the reasonable way to do the QSOs in pile-ups. Split, and spreaded
out. Is very easy to make a contact for the DX seen the traces on the
waterfall; also callers can see where not to call on top of an existing
trace - not as difficult as in SSB. But for lots of operators is unusual to
split-operate in PSK... more to beginners. But hope someday everybody will
learn all things - mee too, hi hi.

Good luck on hunting!

73 de Zoli / YO5CRQ


Jordan on the air...

Demetre Koumanakos <sv1ens@...>
 

Hi all,

Last night Jordan was on the air on 14, unfortunatly all were calling
simultaniously ending up on a psk madness...
Are we getting the Voice mode bad manners in psk now ??

73
Demetre - SV1ENS

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Special Prefix

Ivo, LZ4BU <lz4bu@...>
 

Hello Friends,
From 1 to 31 May, two special stations will be active to commemorate St.St.
Kiril and Methodius-the creatorc of cyrilic alphabet, and the Pope
John-Paul II visit in Bulgaria. Calls are LZ02KM and LZ02JP. There will be
PSK-31 activity as well. QSL cards for both stations via the bureau.

73 de Ivo, LZ4BU


YL2FD in Atlanta

N3DQU@...
 

A reminder that Andris, YL2FD will be in the Atlanta, GA area from May 11
to May 22. Andris is would like to meet 070 Club members for an eyeball while
he is in the states. Any members interested please email Andris direct at <
andris.brunenieks@siemens.fi > and make arrangements...73 de Jay N3DQU.


Re: Quickmix

Steve W3HF
 

--- In 070@y..., N3DQU@a... wrote:
Here's a freeware program I ran across on the digital
newsgroup. It's called Quickmix and let's you save soundcard
settings for different applications! I played with the program
abit and looks promising. Very easy to load and install. For
more info go to http://www.msaxon.com/quickmix/
...73 de Jay N3DQU.
Jay -

Neat idea! Thanks for the link. My kids have already been threatened
if they ever touch the sound settings on the "shack" computer.

I'll have to download this and play with it tonight.

Steve
W3HF


Quickmix

N3DQU@...
 

Here's a freeware program I ran across on the digital newsgroup. It's
called Quickmix and let's you save soundcard settings for different
applications! I played with the program abit and looks promising. Very easy
to load and install. For more info go to < http://www.msaxon.com/quickmix/ >
...73 de Jay N3DQU.


Pactor 3

bernie_kf4fhs <kf4fhs@...>
 

Hi Everyone,

I just got this from another reflector, and if you are wondering
who this Rudolph guy is, he's talking about, click the link and read
the whole page, you'll see his post, I hope there's not many of this
type out there !

73, Bernie / KF4FHS
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Recieved from the digitalradio@yahoogroups reflector:

I just copied this from local Winlink station W7BO, "PACTOR III Now
ON - 3628.7, 7101.2, 10141.2 and 21096.2."
This will surely be a major problem for the PSK31 operation on 40
meters!? Also this is a favorite spot for 30 meter sound card
operation. I also note that Rudolf (HS0AC) is a WinLink MBO station
as well... I am not sure that having an "open mind" about this
situation is going to do any good... :-(


http://www.n2hos.com/digital/peter.html


Re: Delaware

g4tgk
 

Hi Tom,
I worked Jim K3HRO at the beginning of April - seen him on a couple of times since.  He works in a ham radio store and his own callsign is N3JJA.
Best of luck,
John.


Re: Thanks to All for Vermont - WAS PSK31 !!!

N3DQU@...
 

Hey, congrats on getting ur last state for WAS! 73 de Jay N3DQU


Re: Thanks to All for Vermont - WAS PSK31 !!!

Tom <tomias@...>
 

Glad you made the qso....

I am looking for Delaware for my last one.

Tom, k3psk

----- Original Message -----
From: "brmccain" <brmccain@teleport.com>
To: <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 3:50 PM
Subject: [070] Thanks to All for Vermont - WAS PSK31 !!!


Thanks to all of you who promptly helped me with Vermont call signs,
I finally finished state #50 for ARRL WAS PSK31. Several of you
offered VT stations you have worked on psk31, so I e-mailed every one
of them for a possible sked. Sunday morning I received an e-mail from
Burt Eldridge, W1ZS, (suggested by Erika DL2AYL). I telephoned Burt
and with him on the phone, we tried a qso on 10-15-20, but we didn't
quite make it through some rough band condx.

We agreed to try again three hours later. About 30 minutes before our
sked, I was roving the bands checking the propogation when I ran
across a bright yellow streak on 21.070 . . . "CQ TEST de W1ZS" . . .
There was Burt! I replied and we had a fb qso that lasted several
rounds before 15 meters gave out. Burt said he would drop the card in
the mail Monday, no SASE required . . .

P.S. As it turns out, Burt Eldridge, W1ZS, is the manager of the ARRL
Incoming Bureau for W1 zone. Also, he had never heard of the 070 Club
or this group/reflector. He checked out the 070 Club web page and
really liked it. I sure hope he joins the club, because Burt
Eldridge, and all of you who helped me, are what makes this hobby so
enjoyable.

tnx agn es 73 de N7XB
Bruce McCain in Portland Oregon



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Thanks to All for Vermont - WAS PSK31 !!!

brmccain <brmccain@...>
 

Thanks to all of you who promptly helped me with Vermont call signs,
I finally finished state #50 for ARRL WAS PSK31. Several of you
offered VT stations you have worked on psk31, so I e-mailed every one
of them for a possible sked. Sunday morning I received an e-mail from
Burt Eldridge, W1ZS, (suggested by Erika DL2AYL). I telephoned Burt
and with him on the phone, we tried a qso on 10-15-20, but we didn't
quite make it through some rough band condx.

We agreed to try again three hours later. About 30 minutes before our
sked, I was roving the bands checking the propogation when I ran
across a bright yellow streak on 21.070 . . . "CQ TEST de W1ZS" . . .
There was Burt! I replied and we had a fb qso that lasted several
rounds before 15 meters gave out. Burt said he would drop the card in
the mail Monday, no SASE required . . .

P.S. As it turns out, Burt Eldridge, W1ZS, is the manager of the ARRL
Incoming Bureau for W1 zone. Also, he had never heard of the 070 Club
or this group/reflector. He checked out the 070 Club web page and
really liked it. I sure hope he joins the club, because Burt
Eldridge, and all of you who helped me, are what makes this hobby so
enjoyable.

tnx agn es 73 de N7XB
Bruce McCain in Portland Oregon


Re: Vermont Needed for WAS

Ken Carpenter <w5kec@...>
 

Bruce,
You can add another one to your list of Vermont PSKers,
Worked Henry - KT1J  in Aug. 2000 and received a prompt QSL after sending a SASE.
Good luck and 73's,
Ken - W5KEC
WAS on PSK31


Re: Vermont Needed for WAS

ve3iay <ve3iay@...>
 

Bruce,

Here's another one for your list of Vermont PSKers: W1RL (worked
during the January 2002 PSKfest, eQSL received).

73,
Rich VE3IAY

--- In 070@y..., "brmccain" <brmccain@t...> wrote:
Hi there 070 CLub:

I need only Vermont confirmed for WAS PSK31. I worked KG4NBL/M1
from
the Vermont/Mass state line in March, but got no reply from my qsl
card and SASE.

I checked the 070 Club roster and could not find a Vermont qth for
any members. If any of you have worked Vermont on psk31, could you
give me their call sign(s) so I can write or e-mail for a sked?

tnx es 73 de N7XB
Bruce McCain in Portland OR


Re: Vermont Needed for WAS

Tom <tomias@...>
 

Worked KB1GUP on 20 meters in January 02.

Tom, k3psk

----- Original Message -----
From: "brmccain" <brmccain@teleport.com>
To: <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 2:46 PM
Subject: [070] Vermont Needed for WAS


Hi there 070 CLub:

I need only Vermont confirmed for WAS PSK31. I worked KG4NBL/M1 from
the Vermont/Mass state line in March, but got no reply from my qsl
card and SASE.

I checked the 070 Club roster and could not find a Vermont qth for
any members. If any of you have worked Vermont on psk31, could you
give me their call sign(s) so I can write or e-mail for a sked?

tnx es 73 de N7XB
Bruce McCain in Portland OR



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Jim's GAZETTE #121

N3DQU@...
 

Jim's GAZETTE
Newsletter #121
5 May 2002

Please feel free to forward this newsletter to any and all interested
parties, or to reproduce it in
any publication. All we ask is that you give credit where it is due.

SHORT NOTES: We are sneaking up on the 1St Annual PSK31 KONTEST. This runs
the six hours from 1900Z 11 May to 0100Z 12 May. Have fun but go
first to www.cqc.org/contests/psk3102.htm for details.

JD1 will operate RTTY and PSK beginning May 6. Go to
www.qsl.net/jl4cvb/ogasawara.htm for more. And, so will KH1. The calls will
be announced at the
beginning of the operation. K1B will continue. (I missed them on 15M PSK, but
they were very weak!). This is a big week in the Pacific. Don't miss out.

Aside from those brief notes, this is a single-issue issue of the newsletter.
Bear with me as we reluctantly open Pandora's Box and take yet another
grudging look at Pactor III and its ramifications. (If I had a choice I'd
rather review a book about 'How To Lose Ten Pounds Working 160 meter DX' or
'How
to Win Friends and Influence People With HF Packet'-if someone would only
write them!). Be that as it may, the newest iteration of Pactor is now
released. This software can be run on most if not all of the SCS modems and
the signal will soon be visible to more and more CW and RTTY operators
around the world. This is indeed time to take a look, and I want to do so
from a purely personal standpoint-what it means to me as a plain vanilla
digital
ham. I'll ignore the opinions of the multiple Emails, the movers and shakers,
the FCC, the ARRL, the IRU and focus on me and my small corner of the
spectrum. There is no more appropriate way to view the problem!

There are some things I know for sure. The signal does move a lot of traffic
in very short order. Even if the test claims on the SCS website are somewhat
overstated, which may or may not be the case, the product outshines most
other options available to the MBO operator. But, as is always the case,
there
are tradeoffs when it comes to signal content. All high-volume HF modes share
the same shortcoming. It's called BANDWIDTH, which increases in direct
proportion to the increased data transmitted. And, to me, this is the gut
issue regarding this latest development.

Pactor III uses a big chunk our precious bands, for its signal stretches to
over 2kHz. Please conjure up your own image of what such a signal means to
your operation on the digital or CW bands; try to estimate how far up and
down the band the MBOs will need to spread out in order to avoid serious QRM
if MBOs try to operate within restricted frequencies; and then try to guess
the final impact of this mode and its voracious demand for space.

I've reflected on my own recent experience, and I admit to being a bit
depressed at the thought. There has been for some time a reasonably effective
gentlemen's agreement between the MBO's and the PSK crowd. The narrow space
used by PSK on 15 meters, where I spend most of my radio time, has
been mostly free of MBO traffic. Oh, don't misunderstand me. You can see the
Pactor traces both above and below the PSK space so their scan
frequencies are very close indeed. But they are over there and I operate
here, for the most part, without being swamped by their much stronger, wider
signal. It happens on occasion, I merely swear a bit, move elsewhere and
quickly outgrow the irritation.

In a few weeks or months from now, though, I'll fire up the computer and rig
and view what happens when the trace turns out to be Pactor III instead of
one
of the narrower, earlier, friendlier versions. Simple! My PSK space gets
blown away by a single signal, is dead and buried if there are two adjacent
stations . . . and I will have one helluva time finding an empty slot to
renew any kind of on-air activity or to find a fellow survivor because there
is no
'elsewhere' left. And that's when I begin to get emotional about the subject.
At that point, and it will apparently arrive sooner than later, I begin to
think
about how to slay the dragon infesting my turf. And I will joined by many,
many others.

I am not a lawyer and don't wish to delve into the intricacies of whether or
not Pactor III is a legal mode for amateur service, whether or not the mode
has
been documented for the communication authorities, whether or not it is legal
to page a scanning MBO without identifying the station calling, whether or
not the automatic response of the MBO which interferes with an ongoing
digital QSO is legal, whether or not it is legal to run two or even three
Pactor
robot MBOs under the same callsign, whether or not a significant percentage
of the growing volume of Internet/MBO traffic is legitimate amateur radio
traffic and so on ad infinitum. Those questions are for the professionals and
not for those, like me, who deal in small signals and low power within our
amateur spectrum.

Be that as it may, I then turn to Paragraph 'C' of FCC 97.221. Lawyer or not,
there seems to be a clear message here. If I am in error, please let me know.
The paragraph, after outlining frequencies for an 'automatically controlled
digital station,' (including 14.095-14.0995 and 14.1005-14.112 mHz), goes on
to
say that 'A station may be automatically controlled while transmitting a RTTY
or data emission types provided that: (1) the station is responding to
interrogation by a station under local or remote control; and (2) No
transmission from the automatically controlled station occupies a bandwidth
of more
than 500 Hz.'

I helped lobby for that paragraph way back in 1994 because I felt that the
Winlink stations performed yeoman service during Desert Storm (the invasion
of
Kuwait by Iraq). TG9VT and many others devoted almost full-time effort to
move the traffic from the Middle East to the folks back home. They deserved
my
support and I do not in any way wish to alter my stance. But there is a major
difference now.

We were talking then about supporting and believing in an operation that
provided an incredibly valuable public service and still fit within the
bandwidth
limitations and operating characteristics of amateur service. Surely there
was some interference to ongoing QSO's for, as a station interrogating TG9VT,
even though I checked to make certain the frequency was clear in my neck of
the woods, there was no predicting where my signal might go and whether
or not a QSO on the other side of the world would be degraded. But, even if
it was, the narrow bandwidths deployed made it relatively simple to move
over a few Hz to continue the QSO.

Imagine my problem now if my PSK conversation is blown away by a signal that
is 70 times wider than the 31Hz PSK signal my 30 watts is transmitting.
There is no recovery. There is no way for these modes to live together. There
is no room for Pactor III except in the 14.105-14.112 space. They are
welcome to it. Be my guest!

73 de Jim N2HOS: GAZETTE at www.n2hos.com/digital


Re: Vermont Needed for WAS

Costas Krallis SV1XV <sv1xv@...>
 

At 19:46 4/5/2002 +0000, you wrote:
Hi there 070 CLub:

I need only Vermont confirmed for WAS PSK31. I worked KG4NBL/M1 from
the Vermont/Mass state line in March, but got no reply from my qsl
card and SASE.

I checked the 070 Club roster and could not find a Vermont qth for
any members. If any of you have worked Vermont on psk31, could you
give me their call sign(s) so I can write or e-mail for a sked?
I have only K1ON in MFSK-16 mode from Vermont, I guess
he is active in PSK-31 as well...

Good Luck

Costas SV1XV


Re: Vermont Needed for WAS

DL2AYL@...
 

I have worked W1ZS from Vermont and got the qsl via the bureau and also
N1ETS with confirmation via the bureau.
73 and good hunting
Erika/DL2AYL


Vermont Needed for WAS

brmccain <brmccain@...>
 

Hi there 070 CLub:

I need only Vermont confirmed for WAS PSK31. I worked KG4NBL/M1 from
the Vermont/Mass state line in March, but got no reply from my qsl
card and SASE.

I checked the 070 Club roster and could not find a Vermont qth for
any members. If any of you have worked Vermont on psk31, could you
give me their call sign(s) so I can write or e-mail for a sked?

tnx es 73 de N7XB
Bruce McCain in Portland OR


Re: Vermont Needed for WAS

g4tgk
 

Hi Bruce,
On PSK, I have worked N1PEA (4 times), N1XWV and W5VWD but no cards received yet!
Best of luck,
John, G4TGK.