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Re: TI9M

Alan M. Eshleman <doctore@...>
 

You're probably right then: lots of Alan's! I worked TI9M with AD6E at
the controls on 3 different CW bands and he always acknowledged me with
the club's version of the "secret handshake,' which the PSK op didn't.

73,

Alan/K6SRZ

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Melachrinos, Stephen J wrote:

Actually, I think it's Alan Homer KI7WO. I had worked him as KI7WO/TI5
before they made it on the island, and that was a PSK QSO. (I did not have
my log when I made the last post.) I'm not sure, but if there are only two
digimode ops on the trip, then it would be someone who was on PSK just
before.

Steve
W3HF

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From: Alan M. Eshleman[SMTP:doctore@well.com]
Reply To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:29 PM
To: '070@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [070] TI9M

Alan is probably Alan Maenchen, AD6E, one of my fellow Northern California
Contest Club members, who is on the TI9M expedition.
73,

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Re: Pile up handling (Was: TI9M)

Richard B Drake
 

Yes I have run into that. Another bad one is when the DX station
is operating split but fails to acknowledge when the station he is
working is finished. This causes everyone who can't hear the
station he is working to call right over top and creates the same
kind of chaos you are talking about. When the DX operator is good
and black lists people who don't follow his instructions, the pile
ups are much more orderly and they work many more stations in a
shorter time.

---
73, Rich - W3ZJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Costas Krallis SV1XV [mailto:sv1xv@eexi.gr]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 1:07 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Pile up handling (Was: [070] TI9M)



On the subject of pile-up handling by DX-stations, it
is true it takes a lot of experience and self discipline
to do it smoothly. I have only handled a few minor
pile-up with SP and DL on 6 m SSB, so I can undertand
how demanding the job of a real DX operator is.

The worst DX operator I have encountered was an EA who
activated a rare IOTA close to my location on 21 MHz SSB.
He was listening on his own frequency and, while propagation
was good for me and signals booming at S9, I was unable
to have a QSO after 2 hours of well timed calls.

What was wrong with him? Instead of calling "QRZ? THIS
IS XYZ, IOTA XX-000" and listen, he would consistently call
one of the kilowatt stations who were breaking over the
last QSO. You can easily guess the chaos caused by this
practice.

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Re: TI9M

Steve W3HF
 

Actually, I think it's Alan Homer KI7WO. I had worked him as KI7WO/TI5
before they made it on the island, and that was a PSK QSO. (I did not have
my log when I made the last post.) I'm not sure, but if there are only two
digimode ops on the trip, then it would be someone who was on PSK just
before.

Steve
W3HF

----------
From: Alan M. Eshleman[SMTP:doctore@well.com]
Reply To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:29 PM
To: '070@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [070] TI9M

Alan is probably Alan Maenchen, AD6E, one of my fellow Northern California
Contest Club members, who is on the TI9M expedition.
73,

Alan/K6SRZ



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TI9M on 28.120

N3DQU@...
 

TI9M on 28.120 PSK


Re: TI9M

DL2AYL@...
 

He is cq-ing right now on 14.081 in RTTY, no pile up yet, got him on the
first try with the beam to Japan.
73's Erika/DL2AYL


Pile up handling (Was: TI9M)

Costas Krallis SV1XV <sv1xv@...>
 

On the subject of pile-up handling by DX-stations, it
is true it takes a lot of experience and self discipline
to do it smoothly. I have only handled a few minor
pile-up with SP and DL on 6 m SSB, so I can undertand
how demanding the job of a real DX operator is.

The worst DX operator I have encountered was an EA who
activated a rare IOTA close to my location on 21 MHz SSB.
He was listening on his own frequency and, while propagation
was good for me and signals booming at S9, I was unable
to have a QSO after 2 hours of well timed calls.

What was wrong with him? Instead of calling "QRZ? THIS
IS XYZ, IOTA XX-000" and listen, he would consistently call
one of the kilowatt stations who were breaking over the
last QSO. You can easily guess the chaos caused by this
practice.

Costas




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DX Ops etc

Duncan <zl3jt@...>
 

de Jungle Telegraph
From all the correspondance and critique of DX operations, it appears to me, that
an Amateur Radio license Test, should include actual operating on the air. It is
all very well to criticise people from a distant place. We really can't imagine the
stress that is created trying to deal with a huge pile-up, with people still calling
when the operator actually calls a particular station. I really admire those operators!

We should be critical only of our own operation of our own stations. We are the ones
that create the problems! And all the comments of the 'supervisors' and 'cops' who
laud over the DX station's frequency, only cause irritation and consequent interferrence.
The DX-pedition is not the problem, the callers are! Just as a previous guy wrote,
unless there is discipline, there will be a shambles. Self discipline is required....

I live in a very remote country as far as distance from anywhere is, but I manage
OK to work the DX, albeit at the right time for propagation.... But in doing this
I spend 99.9% of the time listening, so that I can time my call to perfection....It
doesn't always work, but the proof is in my Log! 15000 DX qsos, 333 countries worked,
311 in CW, 162 in psk31, over 600 IOTA entities worked. I have worked right across
the Pacific Ocean to N6XQ on 6M....PSK! It was easy, only timing! Thanks Jack, for
listening at the right time!....
But I too, am appalled at the antics of so called 'Amateurs'. You must employ a
sense of humour in order to keep yourself sane... Good luck and good 'DX'!


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Re: TI9M

Alan M. Eshleman <doctore@...>
 

Alan is probably Alan Maenchen, AD6E, one of my fellow Northern California
Contest Club members, who is on the TI9M expedition.
73,

Alan/K6SRZ


TI9M

N3DQU@...
 

TI9M is on 14.085 RTTY...N3DQU


Re: PW0T

kf7qz <kf7qz@...>
 

Lid List and was going to put it oout on here, but if I did, I'd
have to put
the PW0T op at the top of it!

Maybe they should call Bill and ask his advice.

73 de Jay - AA8QQ
Hear that, thats the best way to ruin your pile is to ignore your own
rules. Gads Im missing the two biggest countries on PSK cause I cant
find a stupid connector (New IC706MK2G and ACC is 13 pin vs 8 for my
old 735)

Start Old Crumudgeon mode

Back in my day, when I was in the USN, I had the opportunity to be
DX in several countries, most notable VQ9RS (Sep-Dec 1980). When I
got on I would try to hold a qso with somebody before working the
masses. I would always have someone break in with their call while in
QSO. I would ask why he broke in, and would invariably get the "Well
I need VQ9 your 59 thanks" to which I would reply that he just landed
on the VQ9 Never to QSL list (We had one on the wall). Couple of
those and wouldnt have break ins after that :).


Consiquently as I ran the pileups I would stop and point out MY
rules. I stated that I had 10,000 plus QSLs and didnt need any, so if
you wanted to work me you would follow my rules to the letter or
you would wind up on "the List" and explain what that list was. I
would then say I want your call in full twice. Then if I got a
partial I would answer back with XX or QX or what ever. If I heard
anything else I would ask say KF8AAA you arnt XX you just lost a card.

Couple those and that nonsense stopped in a heart beat and I could
then run 6 a min if I really spun up. About every 10 - 15 mins I
would give a synopsis of my rules. As far as the net cops, well I
would mention those and If they were persistant I would just say the
Net cops are causing me to QRT, BYE. And I would either shut it off or
move bands. Even they disappeared after a while, cause I ran a tight
ship. I thought it went well, and I got quite a rep on the air :). I
had a few guys write my QSL Manager and plead their case but Lyle
(Lyle Meek N6BLN) would write back that rules were rules and No card
ment that no card. Out of 25000+ qso's I think I had 50 no cards in
my log. Most guys followed pretty good.

So yes, Unrulely pilups are a pain and annoying. But for me, I lay
the blame flat square on the DX station. Its their pile up and if they
would lay out simple rules, stick to them and Make it known that a
Card Deny list is avail and used the crap would stop ASAP.


Just my .02

Rick KF7QZ

PS, I wish I could go on one these things to see if I could still do
it :) :)


Re: TI9M

Steve W3HF
 

FWIW, it was Alan (I forget his call) that was operating PSK last night, not
Bill. It "only" took me three hours and forty minutes to break through the
pile, but then again I was QRP. :-) (I did have the big antenna here,
though.)

When I said "tnx Bill" he replied that it was "Alan, the other digimode op",
but he'd pass along my gratitude to Bill.

He also did a pretty good job of occasionally reminding everyone that he was
listening up, what that meant, and not replying to anyone who called on his
transmit freq.

73
Steve
W3HF

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan [mailto:zl3jt@zfree.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:53 PM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [070] TI9M


de Jungle Telegraph
I haved logged TI9M on PSK31....I NEED to SHOUT that one!
What a struggle...5 hours on the keyboard, and watching all the
'attempts'... through
QRM/QSB/QRN, pactor Amtor, CW even SSB...people calling me? People calling
on TI9M's
frequency...at 0500Z I was prepared to delete the mode out of my
computer....went
away for an hour...came back, TI9M still there fighting away...Bingo 3
calls, 3 repeats
of reports 3 times....Gosh Thanks Bill! You need a medal!
I vote Bill AK0A PSKer of the decade!
I now know why PW0T gave up.....don't blame them at all!
73s to all.... HE IS WORKING SPLIT, so watch what is happening before you
PTT, good
luck! You'll need it or a BIG amplifier and a 20 element yagi!


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MFSK16 on 40m

N3DQU@...
 

Hey, anyone out there wanna try some MFSK16 on 40m tonite? Listen for my
tweedles around 7086 hi! 73 de Jay N3DQU.


Re: TI9M (Was: PW0T PSK)

Dick Thompson <wb0dul@...>
 

Bill, 
 
Don't let the waterfall filled with calls throw you off.  I had the same thing last night and still got through.  Once I "bookmarked" his frequency and then "bookmarked one for myself, it was simply a matter of watching what he was doing and following the sequence.  As soon as he said "listening UP UP..." I switched to my bookmarled area and sent "TI9M de WB0DUL WB0DUL."   No "K" was sent as soon as his trace ended.  I stayed on the same spot and snagged him in 30 minutes and the competition was fierce. 
 
Just pick a spot a few cycles off his frequency and don't worry about anyone else.  He'll eventuall come back to you.  BTW, they will only be there thru Saturday, so if you want this one, you have to be persistent.  PSK is your salvation as opposed to SSB and CW where the pileups are gigantic.
 
Good luck.
 
73,
 
Dick - 070 # 180
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
To: 070@...
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: TI9M (Was: [070] PW0T PSK)

Costas,

I saw TI9M this evening too, but could not work him on 14
Mhz. Way too much competition!

At my location, the 14 Mhz passband looked quiet when I
first opened my waterfall.  I was making some notations,
and when I looked up, the waterfall was filled, wall to
wall with traces. The next time I looked, there were only
a couple. 

For a minute I thought there was a loose connection
somewhere in my antenna or audio feed! Then, after
copying some of the traces, I realized that nearly
everyone on 14.070 was trying to work TI9M, and was
responding to TI9M's advisory that he was working split,
and "listening UP UP pse K". The waterfall would fill
with traces in unison as soon as he stopped transmitting
and began selecting his next station.  Duncan's comments
about the importance of listening (or watching) and
figuring out what's going on became apparent....... It
was a thing of beauty!

Will try again later.

de Bill
KG6EXF
>
> Today TI9M (NA-012) tried 14070.5 with split operation. Very
> good operator. When facing problems with simples operation, he
> clearly stated that he listens 1 kHz up. Quite easy to raise
> them and have a QSO.
>
> Thanks guys (AD6E, AK0A, F5CWU, IK3RIY, IZ7ATN, KA0KKO,
> KI7WO, N4CD, N6KT, N7DF, PA3EWP, PA5ET, RK3AD, WS4Y and
> TI2HMG!)
>
> 73 Costas SV1XV

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Re: TI9M

Dick Thompson <wb0dul@...>
 

Hi Chris...
 
I finally captured TI9M at 0548 UTC on 2/28/02.  He was on 20 meters and a very smooth operator.  I was beginning to think I'd never get him, but when I checked the band last night before hitting the sack, I saw he was on and decided to stay up until I snagged him.  It took me a half hour, but it finally happened. 
 
What I found strange is the fact that after he would acknowledge a contact & give a report, he would say "QRZ de TI9M listening UP UP Pse K" and there were still stations trying to call him on his transmitting frequency.  Makes you wonder. 
 
Anyway, glad you snagged the Island. 
 
73,
Dick
 
 

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Subject: [070] TI9M

Just worked TI9M on 20M. He is listening up about 1 Khz. Lots of JA and US stations now.
 
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Re: PW0T

N3DQU@...
 

In a message dated 2/28/2002 1:28:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, AA8QQJMauch@... writes:


The PW0T op kept saying UP UP
or DOWN DOWN, then, ignoring the ops following his directions, continuously
answered stations who called on his TX freq. 


   Yeah, I was surprised to hear him doing that too...best way to screw up control over any pileup! Jay N3DQU.


PW0T

AA8QQJMauch@...
 

Hi All,
Maybe someone can answer this question. I was listening to PW0T on 10
meters. (Ok, I was trying to work him too). The PW0T op kept saying UP UP
or DOWN DOWN, then, ignoring the ops following his directions, continuously
answered stations who called on his TX freq. How in the name of the Prop
gods can you control a pile up doing this? I was sitting there making up a
Lid List and was going to put it oout on here, but if I did, I'd have to put
the PW0T op at the top of it!

Maybe they should call Bill and ask his advice.

73 de Jay - AA8QQ


TI9M

John Durbin <durbinsjz@...>
 

Just worked TI9M on 20M. He is listening up about 1 Khz. Lots of JA and US stations now.
 
Chris KC8LJN


TI9M

Duncan <zl3jt@...>
 

de Jungle Telegraph
I haved logged TI9M on PSK31....I NEED to SHOUT that one!
What a struggle...5 hours on the keyboard, and watching all the 'attempts'... through
QRM/QSB/QRN, pactor Amtor, CW even SSB...people calling me? People calling on TI9M's
frequency...at 0500Z I was prepared to delete the mode out of my computer....went
away for an hour...came back, TI9M still there fighting away...Bingo 3 calls, 3 repeats
of reports 3 times....Gosh Thanks Bill! You need a medal!
I vote Bill AK0A PSKer of the decade!
I now know why PW0T gave up.....don't blame them at all!
73s to all.... HE IS WORKING SPLIT, so watch what is happening before you PTT, good
luck! You'll need it or a BIG amplifier and a 20 element yagi!


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Re: TI9M (Was: PW0T PSK)

Bills4570@...
 

Costas,

I saw TI9M this evening too, but could not work him on 14
Mhz. Way too much competition!

At my location, the 14 Mhz passband looked quiet when I
first opened my waterfall. I was making some notations,
and when I looked up, the waterfall was filled, wall to
wall with traces. The next time I looked, there were only
a couple.

For a minute I thought there was a loose connection
somewhere in my antenna or audio feed! Then, after
copying some of the traces, I realized that nearly
everyone on 14.070 was trying to work TI9M, and was
responding to TI9M's advisory that he was working split,
and "listening UP UP pse K". The waterfall would fill
with traces in unison as soon as he stopped transmitting
and began selecting his next station. Duncan's comments
about the importance of listening (or watching) and
figuring out what's going on became apparent....... It
was a thing of beauty!

Will try again later.

de Bill
KG6EXF


Today TI9M (NA-012) tried 14070.5 with split operation. Very
good operator. When facing problems with simples operation, he
clearly stated that he listens 1 kHz up. Quite easy to raise
them and have a QSO.

Thanks guys (AD6E, AK0A, F5CWU, IK3RIY, IZ7ATN, KA0KKO,
KI7WO, N4CD, N6KT, N7DF, PA3EWP, PA5ET, RK3AD, WS4Y and
TI2HMG!)

73 Costas SV1XV



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Re: TI9M (Was: PW0T PSK)

Alan M. Eshleman <doctore@...>
 

Thanks for the pointer! It took me only about 10 minutes to break through
the EU pile with my 50 watts. The dual channel mode with Digipan makes
split very easy. It'll be a while before we get a chance to work this
entity on PSK.

73,

Alan/K6SRZ