Re: Hmmm ?

Ray Clements

There is a CW Ops group that promotes CW. They sponsor a 1 hour CW contest every Wednesday morning. There are participants who are experienced and others who are relativelaly new. I have a friend who participates each week. He normally runs about 35 wpm and has gotten as high as 200 contacts an hour, but 150 contacts is closer to normal. There are some who can easily get over 200 contacts per hour. I am not proficient at CW, so I am not part of that group.

PSK puts all participants potentially on a level playing field. However, to achieve good rates, it is necessary to hold a specific frequency and call CQ. Typically, I work search and pounce as I like to spot stations rather than working everyone who comes along. That reduces my run rates. Also, many PSK operators use the same set of macros in a contest that they use normally. I have even seen some who send a lengthy station macro during a contest exchange. That absolutely kills run rates. In a contest, participants should send the bare minimum exchange of information required to log the contact. The exception to that would be if both parties chose to leave contesting mode temporarily to have a casual conversation using PSK. Thus, a new set of macros needs to be generated for each contest specifying the information needed for that more, no less.


------ Original Message ------
Received: 09:55 PM CDT, 09/26/2021
From: "Leland Sly" <lee.n5sly@...>
To: " Group Moderators" <>
Subject: Re: [070Club] Hmmm ?

Thanks Jerry,  

Yes indeed there are those operators who can do 40 WPM, but they are few and far between.  And yes, at that speed CW is a fast mode.



On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 9:46 PM Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

A few years ago I was involved with the W9CA contest group. They mostly did Field Day and lots of CW (2 pts per contact as opposed to only one for SSB).   We had some great CW ops who could buzz along at 35-40 wpm - that pretty fast.  The group had a received station feeding QSOs heard on all bands (160-10m) and every CQ that was sent by other was fed to the FD site.  One op was very comfortable at 40 wpm and was taking spots almost faster than they came in.   

If you check past scores for 3A  (W9CA)you'll find that W9CA was #1 for about 3 years running.   I wouldn't say that CW is slow...

Just my 2 cents worth ...

Jerry  n9avy

On Sunday, September 26, 2021, 08:18:23 PM CDT, Leland Sly <lee.n5sly@...> wrote:

There are many things to do on HF radio.  Contesting and other groups like Parks On The Air, POTA, are very popular.  The goal is to make as many contacts as possible in the time allotted.  In the case of POTA there is no time limit.  As far as I know 3rd party logging groups....LOTW, eQSLcc, QRZ, etc. only require 6 things to be documented in your log...your call sign, the call sign of the station you contacted, date, time, band, mode.  The only time the signal report may be important is during a contest.  

Society today is mostly interested in getting things done people gravitate to things that work fast.  In HF radio SSB contacts can be the fastest...closely followed by the digital modes of FT8 and FT4.  Both of those modes are fast and amazingly accurate.  CW on the other hand is rather slow and requires a lot of skill that many people don't have and don't want to invest the time and effort to learn.  Other digital modes are not as fast and not nearly as accurate as FT8 and FT4 therefore folks use them rarely.  

I personally like digital modes and work as many as I can.  I really enjoy the POTA program and participate every day either as a Hunter or sometimes an Activator.  As a Hunter I'll look for other stations operating in a park and use whatever mode they are using....except CW...this old man never got good enough to use CW.  As an Activator I'll use SSB because I can start calling CQ and be insured of a pileup that lasts 45 minutes to over an hour.  In that time I can make 50 or more contacts.  I'll then switch to FT8 and make another 40 or so contacts in the next hour.

Last month I did use PSK while Activating a park and it took 90 minutes to make 20 contacts.  I had a lot of fun doing that...but it was slow compared to SSB and FT8.  

I really enjoy the PODXS 070 contests because most of them only last for a short time...many 6 hours.  That's perfect for me.  I'll do PSK for 6 hours and really enjoy it.

But if my goal is to make as many contacts as I possibly can as fast as possible I'll use SSB or FT8 or FT4.

Enjoy what you like to do in this hobby.  Having fun is the most important part.



On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 7:42 PM Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
Back to FT modes ???

On Sunday, September 26, 2021, 05:28:56 PM CDT, John - KC3FL via <> wrote:

Good observation about ops filling the waterfall during a contest.  The waterfall fills up during our sprints, but it's mostly our group that fills it.  Where do they go after the sprint?


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