Re: PODXS made ARRL Contest letter !

Leland Sly

FT8 is a weak signal mode not a low power mode.  If your audio settings on the computer are set properly you can run as much power as you want on FT8.  Someone did an experiment a while ago using FT8.  A number of hams all over the country sent the same messages.  The wattage varied from 1 watt to 1000 watts.  One station received all messages and could not tell what station was using any power setting based on the received signals.  So it is not the power that is the received signal.  The sending station may have to use 1000 watts to have the same signal level as another station using 1 watt depending on how the radio waves travel around the earth.



On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 2:06 PM Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:

I always thought that FT8 was a low power mode.  Am I mistaken ???

Jerry  n9avy

On Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 10:30:22 AM CDT, Ray Clements <r.clements@...> wrote:


That is why I stated that we need both old and new stations back on the air. I will try to make some PSK contacts on July 4th.

One thing I like about FT8 is that it provides accurate signal reports in dB for both signals sent and signals received. I have heard other stations with signals as strong as +18 dB S/N ratio. Because I have HOA restrictions on antennas at my QTH, my signals sent are typically 5-10 dB lower than signals received. Most PSK contacts send a generic 599 signal report, even when  the signal is  difficult to copy. That is not very helpful.

I can run higher power on FT8 than on PSK31 due to the nature of the signals. If I try to run too much power on PSK, the signal will distort. I run 80-100 watts on FT8 and 25-50 watts on PSK. Both FT8 and PSK 31 can decode signals below the noise floor.

Propagation should be good enough to make PSK contacts if people would get on the air. If the bands are open for FT8 contacts, they should also be open for PSK contacts, but it takes two to tango.

I hope to see some of you on the PSK frequencies.

Ray N9RWC 73

------ Original Message ------
Received: 08:13 AM CDT, 06/23/2021
From: "Jim K5SP" <jinnis@...>
Subject: Re: [070Club] PODXS made ARRL Contest letter !

Ray, the most recent TDW was very active.  120+ logs submitted.  Contacts on all bands from 80-10 (don't recall if any 160 were made).  A major problem is everybody thinks the bands are dead and don't bother with PSK.  TDW proved that wrong!  As I have long said, lack of propagation is due to lack of operation.  

I have been on every day this week trying to work anybody, yet, only one 40m contact in the log. 

I will be on this afternoon, so look for my PSK in the waterfall.

Jim K5SP

On 6/23/2021 7:39 AM, Ray Clements wrote:
We need to get PSK stations on the air both old and new. 

My station has been off the air for over a year. I had to disconnect my antennas due to a lot of renovation on the house. With the last job completed, I was able to reconnect the antenna. When I turn on the radio, the first thing I do is check all the PSK watering holes from 40 meters up to 10 meters, including WARC bands. Over the past week, I have seen only a couple of PSK signals on the water fall. After checking PSK, I check all the RTTY frequencies. I have seen only a single RTTY signal and it was too weak to copy. 

Since PSK and RTTY were not viable modes, I started up the WSJT-X software and looked for FT8 signals. I was able to make dozens of FT8 contacts on 40m, 20m, 17m, 15m, 12m, and 10m. The contacts included Europe, South and Central America, Caribbean islands, Japan, and many USA and Canada stations. After being off the air for an extended period, being able to make contacts was fun.

If I check, the map for the past hour only shows 11 PSK monitors. Only two of those were in USA with nine in Europe. In contrast, there are 5500 active stations on FT8 representing countries from all over the world, including Africa, Australia and the Middle East and many islands in the Atlantic, Pacific, and Indian oceans. No wonder I have not seen PSK stations on the waterfall.

As a member of PODX 070 and having achieved LONP status, I would prefer to work PSK rather than FT8, but it seems the only way to work PSK these days is to schedule a contact at a specific time and frequency.  Hopefully, things will be different on Field Day. Staring at an empty waterfall is not very exciting.

Ray N9RWC  73

------ Original Message ------
Received: 06:52 AM CDT, 06/23/2021
From: "Jerry N9AVY" <n9avy@...>
To: "" <>
Subject: [070Club] PODXS made ARRL Contest letter !

Some recognition is better than none.  PODXS is mentioned twice in the letter. Hopefully we'll get more stations  (new members) to work !

Jerry  n9avy #454

PODXS 070 Club 40m Firecracker Sprint, Jul 3, 2000z to Jul 4, 2000z; PSK31; Bands: 40m Only; RST + (state/province/country); Logs due July 11

Jim,  K5SP #483
Executive Director/Member Services Director

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