Re: 17m PSK 18.100.....moved? #2017doubleheader

B C <k9wis@...>

Sort of like the CW dxer's?? '599 TU' is a valid contact for DXCC...
Brian K9WIS

---- Joseph Molon <> wrote:

The only reason that FT8 is wall to wall is that apparently no one wants
to do real QSO's anymore.  All they want to do is stuff their logs and
collect their awards.  To me that misses the whole point of being an
Amateur radio operator.  Not every QSO will end up as a ragchew but
something past your call and grid should count as a real QSO.
I've seen the encroachment on 20m (lower end) and 40m (upper end) and
I'm not about to give up spectrum to non-QSO's!
I'm not moving either!.  Nuff said!
KA1PPV  #1482
 On Sun, Feb 04, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 wrote:
 > So the bottom line is ‘use it or lose it’. Not sure about the rest
of you, but I’m not moving down for them. My passband is about 300 –
2500 Hz and I typically see signals all over that area.


From: [] On Behalf Of Rick -
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 17m PSK 18.100.....moved? #2017doubleheader

Just picked this up off the eHam digital forum.

.....Unfortunately for the time being PSK-31 is a shadow of its former
self and FT-8 needs more room. That will probably change over time,
but right now it's reality. That particular informal agreement no
longer serves us, but restricts us. A true gentleman will not insist
on his or her right to an empty band segment while others face
literally wall to wall signals.

The suggested frequencies are not, as someone stated, allocated. An
allocation is supported by the force of regulation. The regulations
permit you to use any digital mode your heart desires in any portion
of the CW/Digital allocation.

I suggest that if conditions are such that FT8 is full and PSK31 is
lightly used, FT8 "grow downward" into what has been PSK land. If
there are PSK-31 signals there then don't! If PSK31 ops are willing to
be gentlemen and start at the low end and fill in upward that should
not inconvenience anyone except the poor FT-8 op who will no longer be
"on the waterfall" unless someone tunes lower. Radios that have RF
waterfalls will show if there is activity below 74, and others may
choose to tune down 500 Hz or so if the 74 waterfall is full to check
who is there. OR NOT, we won't know unless somebody tries....
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602

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