Re: 17m PSK 18.100.....moved? #2017doubleheader


Jerry N9AVY
 

Actually, you're correct Brian.   Same thing the spark gap guys said when CW came into wide use  and the same thing the AM guys said when SSB came into being.  There are still some "hold outs" for AM even though it use twice as much spectrum as SSB.  Guess folks get comfortable in whatever mode they use and are resistive to change. 

In the end, Amateur Radio  will change because technology "progresses"  and we have to keep up or fall by the wayside.

Back when "Incentive Licensing" was created (ARRL/FCC), there were a bunch of "old timers" who utilized the bottom 25 kHz. of 20/40/80/160m and they were told to upgrade to Extra or move higher.  Well, they resisted the change and many went silent or lost their licenses.  These were guys who served as military radio operators, civilian (Western Union or shipboard ) operators. What they got from FCC was a kick in the teeth from the FCC after their years of service ... but that's progress, right ?
n9avy


From: Brian (N2MLP) <n2mlp@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 17m PSK 18.100.....moved? #2017doubleheader

I guess this is what the CW guy said years ago about digital modes
Smart phone aren’t the problem it’s people with no motivation using them!
 
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry N9AVY
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 1:48 PM
To: 070Club@groups.io
Subject: Re: [070Club] 17m PSK 18.100.....moved? #2017doubleheader
 
Mostly just a lot of peopel with nothing to say.  Are we far from a new mode that will make the operator obsolete ???
Jerry  n9avy

From: Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
To: 070Club@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 17m PSK 18.100.....moved? #2017doubleheader
 
I really think smart phones are to blame for the popularity.  No brainpower required; fire and forget.
 
Honestly, I think smart phones and social media are the bane of our existence.
 
Mike
WM4B
 
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Charles Odom, KI4VMK
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 17m PSK 18.100.....moved? #2017doubleheader
 
It reminds me of kids with smart phones, texting with someone in the same room with them. They don't want the human interaction.
Charles, KI4VMK
# 2542
On Feb 4, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Jerry N9AVY <n9avy@...> wrote:
Agreed Mike.
 
Jerry  n9avy
 
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From: Mike Besemer - WM4B #348 <mwbesemer@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 17m PSK 18.100.....moved? #2017doubleheader
 
It will.
 
IMHO, FT8 is ham radio for people who don't want to make any effort or have any human interaction.  If all you want to do is chase paper, it’s fine, but I’ve tried it and I don’t get it.
 
If FT8 is your cup of tea, so be it, but I can't wait for it to go away.
 
Mike
WM4B
 
From: 070Club@groups.io [mailto:070Club@groups.io] On Behalf Of Charles Odom, KI4VMK
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [070Club] 17m PSK 18.100.....moved? #2017doubleheader
 
I'm hoping FT8 will run its course,  after all JT'ers and FT'ers don't like dupes.
Charles, KI4VMK
# 2542
On Feb 4, 2018, at 11:34 AM, Rick - N7WE <n7we1980@...> wrote:
Just picked this up off the eHam digital forum.
 
.....Unfortunately for the time being PSK-31 is a shadow of its former self and FT-8 needs more room. That will probably change over time, but right now it's reality. That particular informal agreement no longer serves us, but restricts us. A true gentleman will not insist on his or her right to an empty band segment while others face literally wall to wall signals.
 
The suggested frequencies are not, as someone stated, allocated. An allocation is supported by the force of regulation. The regulations permit you to use any digital mode your heart desires in any portion of the CW/Digital allocation.
 
I suggest that if conditions are such that FT8 is full and PSK31 is lightly used, FT8 "grow downward" into what has been PSK land. If there are PSK-31 signals there then don't! If PSK31 ops are willing to be gentlemen and start at the low end and fill in upward that should not inconvenience anyone except the poor FT-8 op who will no longer be "on the waterfall" unless someone tunes lower. Radios that have RF waterfalls will show if there is activity below 74, and others may choose to tune down 500 Hz or so if the 74 waterfall is full to check who is there. OR NOT, we won't know unless somebody tries....
--
Rick - N7WE
070 - #1602
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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