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de N2MLP Brian
Monroe County PA
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 4:04 PM
Subject: Re:  From an old PODXS member ...
I generally try to work a bit outside the macros, especially if it is a fellow 070 club member. But yes the general rule is that you are courteous of the other ham's time and respond according.
Heck, I may even sometimes slip in a short comment in an 070 contest exchange with a fellow member!
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I had a contact yesterday where I went outside my macros with just simple comment on the other op's rig working well. Lo and behold, he replied in kind. Long story short - we chatted for over an hour! One of the nicest QSOs I've ever had.
Definitely can't do that with FT8! :-) That mode has a place, sure, but I still prefer PSK-31 as you CAN go conversational if you like. I do that about 50% of the time. Rarely does it turn into a lengthy chat, but I frequently learn interesting tidbits about the other op. It's also how we've gotten many new members to the 070 club!
AK4MK - 070 #1708
PODXS 070 Club Executive Director
Rare DX is just that and pity the poor DX station who has to contend with a million or so hams who NEED that contacts and are not very mannerly in getting that contact. The DX station doesn't have to deal with the "Kilocycle Kops" on his transmitting frequency yelling "up, up , up" while the tuner-uppers are doing their thing... lots of malicious interference to deal with. Whether it be SSB or CW, the crap is still there and has only become worse. In my early ham radio career I've heard many a DX station pull the plug on pileups. Used to be that American hams were the obnoxious ones, but now every other country has learned to be obnoxious as well.
As a manager for a DX station, I was instructed by him to watch logs (paper ones !) for notes in margins saying that stations would not get QSL in any case because they were LIDs and did NOT follow instructions/procedures. ! Wish I still had those logs, but they went back to operator in the 80's.
This is just another reason that people chasing QSLs don't get them. Plus the stations send the poor DX operator 6 different ways to QSL ... bureau, LoTW, Eqsl, direct, Qrz.com , Hrd log, and so on. TMI !!! Just say "QSL" and be done with it, the DX will send card whatever way works for him.
BTW, I use macros a lot , but I can and do edit them on the fly. Hate to send same boring stuff every time. A macro is used to get basic info across in case propagation changes, but after that...
Is it any different than using a computer to log thousands of CW contacts in a contest or the quick 5NN 73 with a rare DX Inna pile up?
It was an interesting comment I found on FB and just thought I'd pass it along FWIW. Just had a QSO on 2m this morning with a good friend and the subject of FT-8 came up. He's made a bunch of contacts and says it's okay if you just want to log a lot of contacts. He also mentioned it might be the beginning of the end of Amateur Radio once they eliminate the Operator ... just computers talking to computers. Interesting view point ...
Interesting. I ran a lot of FT8 over the Thanksgiving holiday (because I could do it 'Armchair Portable' via Teamviewer and still be actively engaged with the rest of the family) and did not encounter that. Honestly, I don't know how you COULD be crude/rude on FT8 since there is zero human interaction.
I suppose you could still plop down on an ongoing exchange and muck things up a bit, but anyone going to that much effort is probably a lid regardless of mode.
I'm certainly not going to convert to FT8 full time, but it was a good way to occupy some time this weekend - and I DID work South Africa on 17 meters using only 40 watts.
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Jerry n9avy@...  wrote:
" Ha! ve you tried the wunnerful FT8 yet? I ran about 200 contacts and went back to PSK. Encountered a lot of crude and rude ops on FT8."