Ray: 14.040  ???   Don't you mean 14.070 ?? If there is no specific band plan for he digital modes then there will be chaos.  The FT8 crowd is already QRMing the Hellschreiber crowd.  When the RTTY signals start in Winter season, the FT8 guys will be complaining about QRM on 17m because many RTTY stations run 500 watts to a full KW. and that might be a problem. This whole thing needs to be sorted out before our bands become intolerable.

From: "'Ray Clements' r.clements@usa.net [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31

 
As far as ARRL is concerned, PSK does not exist. Neither do most other digital modes. About the only digital modes included in their band plans are RTTY and Packet and SSTV. Beacon frequencies are also assigned.
Even our beloved 14.040 MHz PSK frequency is included as part of the RTTY sub-band. Thus,I guess those who use PSK at that frequency are infringing on the rights of RTTY users. 
http://www.arrl.org/band-plan
Thus, I guess we have no right to complain about FT8 using the same frequency.
Ray N9RWC


------ Original Message ------
Received: 12:17 PM CDT, 10/09/2017
From: "tom@kn6q.org [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
To: <070@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31


  As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8).   The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group. 
This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters.

If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon.  It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out.   Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9.
73,
Tom KN6Q  

---In 070@yahoogroups.com, <rickocr2005@...> wrote :

I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now.....

Fr Richard
WB8YXF



On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case' artcase@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


  I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it. Steve WA7ETE PNW #872       From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM
To: "070@yahoogroups.com" <070@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31       Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.   Randy W4RTT   From: 070@yahoogroups.com <070@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31       Not seeing you.  Can you see me?   Mike WM4B   From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31     I'm also there   Randy W4RTT   From: 070@yahoogroups.com <070@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:57 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [070] 17m PSK31     CQing there now.  The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.   Mike WM4B   From: 070@yahoogroups.com [mailto:070@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:48 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31     I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17. I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it" As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.   Randy W4RTT   From: 070@yahoogroups.com <070@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Jerry n9avy@... [070] <070@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 9:29 AM
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31     Probably not, but "venting" feels good.     I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join.  There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.   I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.   Jerry  n9avy     From: "n7we1980@... [070]" <070@yahoogroups.com>
To: 070@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [070] 17m PSK31     I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m.  But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that.  May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group  
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wsjtgroup/info
and voice our complaints there?   The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole.  Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use.  Time to make our voice heard!   Rick - N7WE 070 - #1602
 
         

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