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Having noticed the same thing on the bands I'd like to propose we shift down in frequency, as a group, and let our shift of numbers pull a new standard. Folks will find us and move so as to make contacts.
We can approach this two ways:
a. I've noticed that most signals are not at the bandplan frequencies, but instead up 1.5 KHz. That is, we're setting our radios to the bandplan frequency which, at least in fldigi, puts you up 1.5 KHz. If we all subtract 1.5KHz we would be using the actual correct frequency, that is, centered at the bandplan frequency and ranging up or down a bit.
b. We agree as a group to shift down 2 KHz. That will have the same effect with less confusion, assuming subtracting 1.5 KHz is confusing to some.
If we get the PODs folks to move, others will follow. We can set a new standard ourselves, which might be easier than convincing the ARRL to update their bandplan.
I'm going to sit on 18.098 MHz on my dial, which puts fldigi looking at 18.0995 MHz. It looks clear there, and around it.
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:16 PM, tom@...
As someone who does both, the FT8 default frequencies are programmed in WSJT-X application (which is still in the release candidate 2 stage for FT8). The best chance is to get them to change the frequency they use on when the release version (or RC3) comes out by complaining on the group.
This isn't the only band/mode that has a conflict, I don't FT8 also runs into Olivia on 20 meters.
If your hoping FT8 goes away, I seriously doubt it anytime soon. It has absolutely dominated every other digital mode for use since it came out. Even JT65/JT9 modes are pretty dead now, especially JT9.
, wrote :
I know I am late to the party, but trying on 17m now.....
On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:46:24 AM EDT, 'Steve Case' artcase@...  <070@...> wrote:
I was there too for the last half hour, CQ'd saw nothing but FT8 sigs. I agree use it or lose it.
From: "randy true w4rttrandy@... " <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 8:41 AM
To: "070@..." <070@...>
Subject: Re:  17m PSK31
Nope, just 20 FT8 signals.
From: 070@... <070@...> on behalf of 'Mike Besemer' mwbesemer@...  <070@...>
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:11 AM
Subject: RE:  17m PSK31
Not seeing you. Can you see me?
From: 070@... [mailto:070@...]
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:02 AM
Subject: Re:  17m PSK31
I'm also there
CQing there now. The FT8 stations moved away from where I’m at.
I just got into the digi modes a couple years ago, and I settled on PSK31 and have loved it. I did notice that whenever I went up to 17 and called there was seldom anyone around. I have made just a hand full of contacts on 17.
I do work FT8 and have mad many contacts on 17. But I try to keep above .100 because it is "our" freq. I think it was mostly, "hey these guys aren't using it, so lets us use it"
As the old saying says, if you don't use it you will lose it.
Probably not, but "venting" feels good. I am hesitant to join another group after cleaning out several groups people urged me to join. There were days I'd wake up and have way too many emails to answer; so, I purged many email accounts that held little interest. Just don't want to start down that road again.
I'm hoping that once the FT8 people tire of the mode, they'll just go away.
I too feel the frustration with FT-8 "taking over" what had been "our" segment of 17m. But I doubt posting our concerns here will do much to change that. May I suggest those of us who feel this is an inappropriate encroachment on the gentlemen's agreement join the WSJT Meteor Scatter and Weak Signal Group
and voice our complaints there?
The group's conversations make for interesting reading - particularly the current thread of Expanding the Watering Hole. Have no doubt - they are coming soon to a frequency we all love and use. Time to make our voice heard!
Monitoring 146.52 MHz & the CCARC UHF Repeater